, Need to verify this ASAP.
THE GODS HAVE SPOKEN 
Update: MHP ECU/TCU Tuning (Throttle Blipping, etc, DONE!)
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No KY but our tunes do include a $ back guarantee. If you aren't satisfied you can send us your ECU/TCU back to reflash to stock, and you will be credited the full payment price back. Like I said from day 1, we stand behind our products.
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Man Ima have to move closer to you so I can video this stuff and POST IT when it happens. I know , and I loved your track vid , guess im bored and I wanna see some RACING!
Can u help ?
Is your 63 FAST AS A GALLARDO? wish you would post that vid and info over on lambopower dot com.
Comon , dyno and video please, LOL
Can u help ?
Is your 63 FAST AS A GALLARDO? wish you would post that vid and info over on lambopower dot com.
Comon , dyno and video please, LOL
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MRP - Bah - More like CGI - This whole thing starting to smell like a ILM project
(Thats Industrial Light And Magic folks)
Yeah call me when that ummm Video
is back from the studio 
I mean ready for posting. 
My two year old can draw fancy lines on a graph too with different color crayons ANdy or George whtvr u like to be called. So I'm gonna have to call on this whole thread, until I see some cold hard facts. 
Like when I get my V2 tune back YES!!!!
(Thats Industrial Light And Magic folks)
Yeah call me when that ummm Video
is back from the studio I mean ready for posting. My two year old can draw fancy lines on a graph too with different color crayons ANdy or George whtvr u like to be called. So I'm gonna have to call
on this whole thread, until I see some cold hard facts. Like when I get my V2 tune back YES!!!!
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Andy, you are starting to look like a snakeoil salesmans. Where are the dyno graphs from the V12? Dyno sheets should be as easy as pressin g a few keys on a keyboard and hitting the send button. I am starting to think this is all a sham, I it sounds like other feel the same way. You and who ever this Tuningtechnician guy is might know what your are talking about when it comes to cars and tuning, but you need to both go and sign up for some business managment courses at the local community college, while you are at it I would sign up for some basic communication sourses as well. All you guys do is attack people that bring up valid questions.
Andy, I was preparred to send you my ECU this week, but I have now reconsidered and I will be shipping it to one of your competitors instead.
So I will just sit here and wait for the attack that will follow my comments.
Andy, I was preparred to send you my ECU this week, but I have now reconsidered and I will be shipping it to one of your competitors instead.
So I will just sit here and wait for the attack that will follow my comments.
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Angela's car had many mods and although most of the mods were mainly Evosport mods, I think it had also a mix-and-match of many different tuners together. And that's why Andy was very reluctant to offer a TCU without an ECU for highly modified cars: he couldn't garauntee the other tuners mods or work. He was trying to bundle his mods together to avoid a situation where different tuners' parts are working against each other, and where one part was too aggressive in one area that another part tries to compensate by reducing power, etc..... MHP initially taking this stand shows they actually care about what happens to their products after they are sold.
Not sure where you got your information from or perhaps it was an assumption? Evosport was the only tuner to ever touch my car. Brad even validated that in my thread. The only part that was not purchased at Evosport was Vrus's TB. Evosport installed it for me and it was not the reason for my blown engine. I didn't do anything to blow the engine and I have paid for a new one and upgrades. I don't wish to talk about it on this thread and only chimed in because you brought my car up with incorrect information.
RENNTech has a warranty with their work and that was very important to me this time around. Brad aka Fast55 is one of the handful of guys on this board that knows what he is talking about. We have both had 210's and 211 E55 modified. Mods are not cheap and I know things can happen. It's just not worth buying a not so cheap engine.
Do something to me once...shame on you...do it again....shame on me. My car ended up with the shift points changed, no TQ limiter, a beefed up tranny, very fast, and a WARRANTY on their work or parts.
Hartmut is one of the classiest guys I have ever had the privilege of meeting. I am pretty confident that we will never see him on this forum defending the negative things that are said. He has a following of customers, is very successful, and doesn't have the time to waste. He builds engines that are aggressive without compromising reliability. He is so confident that he gives you a warranty. I don't know and don't care if he can change the variables that are being talked about in this thread. He built me what I wanted.
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Andy, you are starting to look like a snakeoil salesmans. Where are the dyno graphs from the V12? Dyno sheets should be as easy as pressin g a few keys on a keyboard and hitting the send button. I am starting to think this is all a sham, I it sounds like other feel the same way. You and who ever this Tuningtechnician guy is might know what your are talking about when it comes to cars and tuning, but you need to both go and sign up for some business managment courses at the local community college, while you are at it I would sign up for some basic communication sourses as well. All you guys do is attack people that bring up valid questions.
Andy, I was preparred to send you my ECU this week, but I have now reconsidered and I will be shipping it to one of your competitors instead.
So I will just sit here and wait for the attack that will follow my comments.
Andy, I was preparred to send you my ECU this week, but I have now reconsidered and I will be shipping it to one of your competitors instead.
So I will just sit here and wait for the attack that will follow my comments.
If you feel that the guy, who didn't even want to give out the numbers on the 65 tune until he had the graph in his hands, is out to trick you or BS you by not posting a graph that is not in his possession, then so be it. You seem like a reasonable person with a considerable amount of intellectual capacity. This post really surprised me.
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Mo,
Not sure where you got your information from or perhaps it was an assumption? Evosport was the only tuner to ever touch my car. Brad even validated that in my thread. The only part that was not purchased at Evosport was Vrus's TB. Evosport installed it for me and it was not the reason for my blown engine. I didn't do anything to blow the engine and I have paid for a new one and upgrades. I don't wish to talk about it on this thread and only chimed in because you brought my car up with incorrect information.
RENNTech has a warranty with their work and that was very important to me this time around. Brad aka Fast55 is one of the handful of guys on this board that knows what he is talking about. We have both had 210's and 211 E55 modified. Mods are not cheap and I know things can happen. It's just not worth buying a not so cheap engine.
Do something to me once...shame on you...do it again....shame on me. My car ended up with the shift points changed, no TQ limiter, a beefed up tranny, very fast, and a WARRANTY on their work or parts.
Hartmut is one of the classiest guys I have ever had the privilege of meeting. I am pretty confident that we will never see him on this forum defending the negative things that are said. He has a following of customers, is very successful, and doesn't have the time to waste. He builds engines that are aggressive without compromising reliability. He is so confident that he gives you a warranty. I don't know and don't care if he can change the variables that are being talked about in this thread. He built me what I wanted.
Not sure where you got your information from or perhaps it was an assumption? Evosport was the only tuner to ever touch my car. Brad even validated that in my thread. The only part that was not purchased at Evosport was Vrus's TB. Evosport installed it for me and it was not the reason for my blown engine. I didn't do anything to blow the engine and I have paid for a new one and upgrades. I don't wish to talk about it on this thread and only chimed in because you brought my car up with incorrect information.
RENNTech has a warranty with their work and that was very important to me this time around. Brad aka Fast55 is one of the handful of guys on this board that knows what he is talking about. We have both had 210's and 211 E55 modified. Mods are not cheap and I know things can happen. It's just not worth buying a not so cheap engine.
Do something to me once...shame on you...do it again....shame on me. My car ended up with the shift points changed, no TQ limiter, a beefed up tranny, very fast, and a WARRANTY on their work or parts.
Hartmut is one of the classiest guys I have ever had the privilege of meeting. I am pretty confident that we will never see him on this forum defending the negative things that are said. He has a following of customers, is very successful, and doesn't have the time to waste. He builds engines that are aggressive without compromising reliability. He is so confident that he gives you a warranty. I don't know and don't care if he can change the variables that are being talked about in this thread. He built me what I wanted.
Sorry again for the discrepancy and thanks for the correction.....
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The way I interpret this statement is that there are some sort of negotiations in progress pertaining to some sort of warranty coverage. One might also interpret that there is a possibility of a warranty in the future covering cars with MHP's tunes. I don't see anything wrong with it.
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I don't see anything at all misleading stated by Andy. Perhaps it would have been better not to have mentioned "work in progress"? Did he offer a warranty and then deny coverage? That would be misleading.
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I guess Roman's 11 dealerships are the most reputable in the entire automotive industry since they don't do things "under the table" according to his statements. Roman, you don't have your F&I Dept selling paint sealants for $500 that don't work or a lifetime fabric protection plan or an alarm that only adds $20 to your monthly payment(48 months X $20= $960.00 alarm), etc. I guess they're not interested in making a ton more money then they are making now. There must be such little competition where they are and don't need the money.
The dealer group that I referenced in a previous post has triple the amount of dealerships that Roman has so if YOU want me make YOUR head spin I am sure the stories I have would make yours seem pale in comparison.
They also have the highest volume dealerships in the COUNTRY for a few of their brands. How about you Roman?
Does a manufacturer care if a dealership makes money Roman? ABSOLUTELY NOT! They could care less as long as your CSI is excellent. Isn't that correct Roman?
The key to survival in any business is to make as much money as possible so why leave such a great revenue stream untapped? The customer comes first and that is who you should be looking out for......not the manufacturer who DOESN'T CARE if you succeed or fail! It is the nature of the business that you are in.
The dealer group that I referenced in a previous post has triple the amount of dealerships that Roman has so if YOU want me make YOUR head spin I am sure the stories I have would make yours seem pale in comparison.
They also have the highest volume dealerships in the COUNTRY for a few of their brands. How about you Roman?Does a manufacturer care if a dealership makes money Roman? ABSOLUTELY NOT! They could care less as long as your CSI is excellent. Isn't that correct Roman?
The key to survival in any business is to make as much money as possible so why leave such a great revenue stream untapped? The customer comes first and that is who you should be looking out for......not the manufacturer who DOESN'T CARE if you succeed or fail! It is the nature of the business that you are in.
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I have been off and on this post and a few others since this whole thing started, but I don't recall how JRcart did with the Thermalnators that he was going to get and post the results. Kind of sounds like I am behind times regarding this whole matter. If he did get them, what were the results, if anybody knows?
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Andy, you are starting to look like a snakeoil salesmans. Where are the dyno graphs from the V12? Dyno sheets should be as easy as pressin g a few keys on a keyboard and hitting the send button. I am starting to think this is all a sham, I it sounds like other feel the same way. You and who ever this Tuningtechnician guy is might know what your are talking about when it comes to cars and tuning, but you need to both go and sign up for some business managment courses at the local community college, while you are at it I would sign up for some basic communication sourses as well. All you guys do is attack people that bring up valid questions.
Andy, I was preparred to send you my ECU this week, but I have now reconsidered and I will be shipping it to one of your competitors instead.
So I will just sit here and wait for the attack that will follow my comments.
Andy, I was preparred to send you my ECU this week, but I have now reconsidered and I will be shipping it to one of your competitors instead.
So I will just sit here and wait for the attack that will follow my comments.
I'm sorry Roman, but what makes you think I would even consider tuning your car after you call me a snakeoil salesman and tell me I need to attend a community college?
After reading your most recent posts, I'm all for you shipping your ECU to someone else, that's 100% fine with me. I'm also not sure what part of "it's out of my hands" you don't understand? I didn't tape the races, vadert of this forum did, from his cars--we both felt it would give a better perspective of the races from the slower (stock C63) car. I'm not going to harrass him to post the vids right now just to make you happy, especially since he took time out of his busy day to help me out by not only taping but breaking out two of his cars for me to run against.
As for the dyno graph, again, not under my control. I can't ask a full price customer to do anything after purchase, and obviously the shop that dyno'd the car isn't motivated in the slightest to get it to us--which wouldn't be the first time in history despite how easy it is to send an email.
Finally, maybe you're the one that needs to attend a basic reading comp/communication class as we have JT55s ECU and you obviously can't pick up on sarcasim--did you even read the last line of his post?
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I have been off and on this post and a few others since this whole thing started, but I don't recall how JRcart did with the Thermalnators that he was going to get and post the results. Kind of sounds like I am behind times regarding this whole matter. If he did get them, what were the results, if anybody knows?
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I'm sorry Roman, but what makes you think I would even consider tuning your car after you call me a snakeoil salesman and tell me I need to attend a community college? After reading your most recent posts, I'm all for you shipping your ECU to someone else, that's 100% fine with me.
I'm also not sure what part of "it's out of my hands" you don't understand? I didn't tape the races, vadert of this forum did, from his cars--we both felt it would give a better perspective of the races from the slower (stock C63) car. I'm not going to harrass him to post the vids right now just to make you happy, especially since he took time out of his busy day to help me out by not only taping but breaking out two of his cars for me to run against.
As for the dyno graph, again, not under my control. I can't ask a full price customer to do anything after purchase, and obviously the shop that dyno'd the car isn't motivated in the slightest to get it to us--which wouldn't be the first time in history despite how easy it is to send an email.
Finally, maybe you're the one that needs to attend a basic reading comp/communication class as we have JT55s ECU and you obviously can't pick up on sarcasim--did you even read the last line of his post?
Thanks
Andy
After reading your most recent posts, I'm all for you shipping your ECU to someone else, that's 100% fine with me. I'm also not sure what part of "it's out of my hands" you don't understand? I didn't tape the races, vadert of this forum did, from his cars--we both felt it would give a better perspective of the races from the slower (stock C63) car. I'm not going to harrass him to post the vids right now just to make you happy, especially since he took time out of his busy day to help me out by not only taping but breaking out two of his cars for me to run against.
As for the dyno graph, again, not under my control. I can't ask a full price customer to do anything after purchase, and obviously the shop that dyno'd the car isn't motivated in the slightest to get it to us--which wouldn't be the first time in history despite how easy it is to send an email.
Finally, maybe you're the one that needs to attend a basic reading comp/communication class as we have JT55s ECU and you obviously can't pick up on sarcasim--did you even read the last line of his post?
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The only thing I questioned was the flat out false statement that you made when you said you were talking with dealerships about your tunes as dealer installed add-ons and the they "WOULD RETAIN FULL WARRANTY" which you and I both know is a crock of BS! If it's not BS I would like the names of these dealerships (public or private) becasue I will ship them my ECU first thing tomorrow morning if you can promise I will retain " FULL FACTORY WARRANTY". Tuningtech comes out of nowhere insulting me, acting like I don't have a clue and calling me and my family stupid because we don't opperate our delarships in a fraudulant way. Spending the rest of my life in a federal prison for fraud does not sound like a good way to spend my golden years. I did not even stoop down to his level to fire back at him, it is obvious he thinks he knows it all, I could car less what he think he knows, I have a good grasp on reality so I can see right through his aggressive attacks.
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No need for me to say anything besides best of luck with your business venture. I assume that you and Tuningtechnician are some kind of business partners, he defends you like Tom Cruise defended Dustin Hoffman in Rainman, like you are his disabled little brother or something. Do you have a drool cup and a hockey helmet on right now?
The only thing I questioned was the flat out false statement that you made when you said you were talking with dealerships about your tunes as dealer installed add-ons and the they "WOULD RETAIN FULL WARRANTY" which you and I both know is a crock of BS! If it's not BS I would like the names of these dealerships (public or private) becasue I will ship them my ECU first thing tomorrow morning if you can promise I will retain " FULL FACTORY WARRANTY". Tuningtech comes out of nowhere insulting me, acting like I don't have a clue and calling me and my family stupid because we don't opperate our delarships in a fraudulant way. Spending the rest of my life in a federal prison for fraud does not sound like a good way to spend my golden years. I did not even stoop down to his level to fire back at him, it is obvious he thinks he knows it all, I could car less what he think he knows, I have a good grasp on reality so I can see right through his aggressive attacks.
Let me spell this out for you, as reading is obviously not your strong suit. We are in negotiations with select dealerships that will offer our tuning on vehicles they sell. Said vehicles will retain full warranty via the dealerships themselves. I don't see what's so hard to understand.
Enjoy your car Roman.
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Glad you have learned not to overreact
Andy,
I think it is very intelligent of you that you have calmed down your responses to idiots who attack you. When you first started the thermalnator post and Vadim commented his opinion of the product, I feel you were pretty tough with your responses and I felt it may cost you business (plus I thought you were a bit of an a-hole but I have completely changed my opinion). Glad to see that your products are panning out to be what you said and that when you get attacked you are smart with your responses. I don't think you should ignore the criticism, just respond with patients and intelligence as you have been.
Let me know if you have a good way to cool the 65 engines. I understand your ECU upgrade will increase the HP but if you are familiar with our engines then you know that as the heat rises the computer pulls boost for protection. The tune actually becomes counterproductive without a good cooling modification. A few tuners have a band-aid using an additional heat exchanger and larger stronger intercooler pump. Do you guys plan to research a good cooling mod for the V12TT?
Larry
I think it is very intelligent of you that you have calmed down your responses to idiots who attack you. When you first started the thermalnator post and Vadim commented his opinion of the product, I feel you were pretty tough with your responses and I felt it may cost you business (plus I thought you were a bit of an a-hole but I have completely changed my opinion
). Glad to see that your products are panning out to be what you said and that when you get attacked you are smart with your responses. I don't think you should ignore the criticism, just respond with patients and intelligence as you have been.Let me know if you have a good way to cool the 65 engines. I understand your ECU upgrade will increase the HP but if you are familiar with our engines then you know that as the heat rises the computer pulls boost for protection. The tune actually becomes counterproductive without a good cooling modification. A few tuners have a band-aid using an additional heat exchanger and larger stronger intercooler pump. Do you guys plan to research a good cooling mod for the V12TT?
Larry
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Andy,
I think it is very intelligent of you that you have calmed down your responses to idiots who attack you. When you first started the thermalnator post and Vadim commented his opinion of the product, I feel you were pretty tough with your responses and I felt it may cost you business (plus I thought you were a bit of an a-hole but I have completely changed my opinion). Glad to see that your products are panning out to be what you said and that when you get attacked you are smart with your responses. I don't think you should ignore the criticism, just respond with patients and intelligence as you have been.
Let me know if you have a good way to cool the 65 engines. I understand your ECU upgrade will increase the HP but if you are familiar with our engines then you know that as the heat rises the computer pulls boost for protection. The tune actually becomes counterproductive without a good cooling modification. A few tuners have a band-aid using an additional heat exchanger and larger stronger intercooler pump. Do you guys plan to research a good cooling mod for the V12TT?
Larry
I think it is very intelligent of you that you have calmed down your responses to idiots who attack you. When you first started the thermalnator post and Vadim commented his opinion of the product, I feel you were pretty tough with your responses and I felt it may cost you business (plus I thought you were a bit of an a-hole but I have completely changed my opinion
). Glad to see that your products are panning out to be what you said and that when you get attacked you are smart with your responses. I don't think you should ignore the criticism, just respond with patients and intelligence as you have been.Let me know if you have a good way to cool the 65 engines. I understand your ECU upgrade will increase the HP but if you are familiar with our engines then you know that as the heat rises the computer pulls boost for protection. The tune actually becomes counterproductive without a good cooling modification. A few tuners have a band-aid using an additional heat exchanger and larger stronger intercooler pump. Do you guys plan to research a good cooling mod for the V12TT?
Larry
We're shooting to track test v2 of the 63 tuning this Friday at Norwalk, and I'll also be redynoing the stock ECU to get torque readings as we didn't have the chance initially.
We're also expecting in the ECUs/TCUs of our E55 testers (one stock one stage 4) this week.
Thanks!
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The dealer group that I referenced in a previous post has triple the amount of dealerships that Roman has so if YOU want me make YOUR head spin I am sure the stories I have would make yours seem pale in comparison. They also have the highest volume dealerships in the COUNTRY for a few of their brands. How about you Roman?
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The dealer group that I referenced in a previous post has triple the amount of dealerships that Roman has so if YOU want me make YOUR head spin I am sure the stories I have would make yours seem pale in comparison.
They also have the highest volume dealerships in the COUNTRY for a few of their brands. How about you Roman?...
Therefore, if you have anything to say that may be contrary to his informed opinion ... just ... shut ... up.
Tuningtech, please resume talking about any subject your heart desires, your acolytes sit in rapt wonder at your greatness!
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