Originally Posted by gravedgr

Wait, what's wrong with a 997 S?

Originally Posted by Thericker

From speaking w/Jerry today, I think they may be on to something eagerly waiting for the LET 65 results

Originally Posted by TMC M5

Nothing at all ...just me personally...I need more power. I am a torque addict. The 997TT is a personal favorite....with the 997 GT2 (and 996 GT2 for that matter) as cars I lust after. I know the TT's take a little away from driver involvement and aren't as "raw" of an experience (got that from my bench-racing rather than from being a PCA member)...but I also love the GT3 as well. The 997 S is a good compromise for most people... my personal choice in cars doesn't lean towards compromise.

Tom

Originally Posted by gravedgr

Gotcha.

I used to be a handling > power guy and the 997 is probably in the top three handling / $ cars you can buy on the street. I don't mean pure empirical numbers or magazine review numbers ( ), I mean your or I's ability to get in the car without being race drivers and go fast. There's a small track we run at in Birmingham, AL that is typically a 1:15-1:25 track. Last time I went, race prepped cars (roll cage, racing slicks) were getting to 1:10-1:12 as were some tuned street cars (turbo'd G35/350s, chipped 335i). I was running 1:05 my first time on the track with a bone stock car. In general, a modern 911 will turn any driver into superman on the track - its just so easy to go fast.

Nowadays, I've come to the conclusion that a) 95% of my time in the car is spent driving the family or just kids around, and b) most of my roads are fairly straight, so a little more muscle and a little less handling is okay. Plus, its easier to reach back in the back seat to get a toy or do some attitude adjusting with an automatic. So the C63 is okay for me as a daily driver, but on the track...that measly 355 hp 997 S would embarrass a ton of these "big motor" cars. To each its own.

Originally Posted by TMC M5

I am sure it would embarass my car on a road course. I did a run recently with a bunch of Lotus Elise's....wow..it seems like those little buggers can fly around any turn without lifting. I am sure they were having much more fun than I was having. I found out a couple of days later when I brought it to Mb dealer to service my ABC system that my rear struts are shot. I am sure that didn't help the 4,600+lbs of girth get around the turns...but even if it was 100% there is still no way I could keep up with them in the twisties.

Tom

Originally Posted by JAYCL600

ooooooooo those be fightin words, better shut your mouth Mikey

Originally Posted by chiromikey

lol, yeah...i'll back off.

lzh,
you've shown nothing but an amplitude of moral fiber and exercised constraint during your constructive membership here at mbworld...my bad.

Originally Posted by bigben320e

Hey guys..I asked a question and got ignored. Asking again:

Side question: My dealer said they will do a ECU Kleeman tune for $1200, getting 20-30 more horsepower. Worth it?

With the kompressor added 130 more horses, and this is on my NA CLS. The bill would be around 15K, which seems to be rather high for just a K1 stage.

Some feedback? Thanks!

Originally Posted by bigben320e

Hey guys..I asked a question and got ignored. Asking again:

Side question: My dealer said they will do a ECU Kleeman tune for $1200, getting 20-30 more horsepower. Worth it?

With the kompressor added 130 more horses, and this is on my NA CLS. The bill would be around 15K, which seems to be rather high for just a K1 stage.

Some feedback? Thanks!

Originally Posted by gravedgr

Gotcha.

I used to be a handling > power guy and the 997 is probably in the top three handling / $ cars you can buy on the street. I don't mean pure empirical numbers or magazine review numbers ( ), I mean your or I's ability to get in the car without being race drivers and go fast. There's a small track we run at in Birmingham, AL that is typically a 1:15-1:25 track. Last time I went, race prepped cars (roll cage, racing slicks) were getting to 1:10-1:12 as were some tuned street cars (turbo'd G35/350s, chipped 335i). I was running 1:05 my first time on the track with a bone stock car. In general, a modern 911 will turn any driver into superman on the track - its just so easy to go fast.

Nowadays, I've come to the conclusion that a) 95% of my time in the car is spent driving the family or just kids around, and b) most of my roads are fairly straight, so a little more muscle and a little less handling is okay. Plus, its easier to reach back in the back seat to get a toy or do some attitude adjusting with an automatic. So the C63 is okay for me as a daily driver, but on the track...that measly 355 hp 997 S would embarrass a ton of these "big motor" cars. To each its own.

Originally Posted by jrcart

I'm sorry but I have to butt in on some of your comments. If you think a 997 or even a 996 or 993 is as you put it "your or I's ability to get in the car without being race driver's and go fast" you are dead wrong. 997 and 997's are two of the more difficult cars to make go fast for the average or inexperienced racer. 997 are obviously great cars, but it takes better than an average driver to see their potential. You have to be able to drive the car on the razors edge to see it's potential. I have driven a 996tt and a 997 GT3 on the track, I am an experienced road racer and I found them both difficult to drive fast, probably the two most unforgiving cars I have ever driven at speed. I would wager a bet that if we took 10 average drivers from this board and let had put in 10 laps in a 997 Carrera S (rwd) a Corvette C6 and a new BMW M3 sedan every person would put down their slowest laps in the 997. I would even say that a 335i coupe could turn better times with an average driver. Further more I bet nearly every driver would loop the 997 at least one time trying.

I agree, I had a 996 turbo a few years back, it was theee most difficult car
to corner at high speed, especially on poor road surfaces, I tell you I filled my pants on a few occasions taking well known bends that I had taken in other cars without problems, even my AMG gives me more confidence. You need to be a very good driver to handle a Porsche when driven very quickly.
On another matter, several members have had a upgraded i/c pump. I presume inter cooler, but surely MB fit a pump to take the hostile atmosphere
of somewhere like Dubai and give full bhp, in england the average temp is 65 degrees, will I benefit bu having one fitted.
Any comments welcome.

I had my Black Series on Road America this summer at a Porsche Club event, my car beat every Porsche out their with the exception of a couple of Porsche Cup race cars that were running. The closest 997 to me was a new GT2 and it was just over 2 seconds a lap slower than my fastest lap of the day, 2 seconds might as well be an hour at Road America where my MPH average was close to 110mph. Basically what I am saying is that in the right hands a Porsche will haul the mail, but the average guy looking for a car that he might track track on occasion should look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by jrcart

I had my Black Series on Road America this summer at a Porsche Club event, my car beat every Porsche out their with the exception of a couple of Porsche Cup race cars that were running.

Originally Posted by chiromikey

lzh,
you've shown nothing but an amplitude of moral fiber and exercised constraint during your constructive membership here at mbworld...my bad.

Originally Posted by LZH

If Mikey would like to challange that, fine.... But, I have a feeling he will make a more generalized attack and take this thread even further off course. Not that it had much of a course to begin with....

Originally Posted by LZH

And that Ladies and Gentlemen, is my graceful departure.

Originally Posted by chiromikey

you still here??? so much for graceful, let alone a departure!

Originally Posted by LZH

Loser, huh ?? Guess that's your way of displaying the "moral fiber and constraint" you suggested I lack....seems you are the only one coming here and making generalized and unsupported attacks towards me for no reason whatsoever. It's ok though, I find it flattering that you keep playing into my hands with such predictability.

Originally Posted by LZH

Loser, huh ?? Guess that's your way of displaying the "moral fiber and constraint" you suggested I lack....seems you are the only one coming here and making generalized and unsupported attacks towards me for no reason whatsoever. It's ok though, I find it flattering that you keep playing into my hands with such predictability.

Originally Posted by jrcart

I'm sorry but I have to butt in on some of your comments. If you think a 997 or even a 996 or 993 is as you put it "your or I's ability to get in the car without being race driver's and go fast" you are dead wrong. 997 and 997's are two of the more difficult cars to make go fast for the average or inexperienced racer. 997 are obviously great cars, but it takes better than an average driver to see their potential. You have to be able to drive the car on the razors edge to see it's potential. I have driven a 996tt and a 997 GT3 on the track, I am an experienced road racer and I found them both difficult to drive fast, probably the two most unforgiving cars I have ever driven at speed. I would wager a bet that if we took 10 average drivers from this board and let had put in 10 laps in a 997 Carrera S (rwd) a Corvette C6 and a new BMW M3 sedan every person would put down their slowest laps in the 997. I would even say that a 335i coupe could turn better times with an average driver. Further more I bet nearly every driver would loop the 997 at least one time trying.

I had my Black Series on Road America this summer at a Porsche Club event, my car beat every Porsche out their with the exception of a couple of Porsche Cup race cars that were running. The closest 997 to me was a new GT2 and it was just over 2 seconds a lap slower than my fastest lap of the day, 2 seconds might as well be an hour at Road America where my MPH average was close to 110mph. Basically what I am saying is that in the right hands a Porsche will haul the mail, but the average guy looking for a car that he might track track on occasion should look elsewhere.