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Old 11-19-2008, 01:41 AM
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We have no ABC?

I was just going over the AMG brochure and it appears that the E55 does not have the ABC (Active Body Control) suspension like how the SL, S, and CL class does.

Additionally, I find that the E55 leans a lot in the curves during spirited driving, even when the settings at Sport #2 mode.

I know there are no suspension upgrades for this car .... but any inputs/opinions?

Thanks!
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jerryho,

The suspension systems on the SL/S/CL class are pneumatic based, whereas the systems in the E/ML/GL/etc classes are air-based (referred to as AIRMATIC).

In regards to the handling - you are never going to get this car to handle like a real sports car, but adding a lowering module and using it to lower the center of gravity does help quite a bit with body roll, in my experience. There are not any physical upgrades available to the suspension - notwithstanding ripping it all out and putting in Motons or Ohlins.

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Hi Marcus,

Thanks for your reply. I am under the impression that pneumatic is an "air-based" system. Pneumatic and air is the same thing I believe?

How does the handling on the SL600 compare to the E55 ?
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S/CL/SL also come in Airmatic Standard and ABC premium.
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S/CL/SL also come in Airmatic Standard and ABC premium.
Only the S-class comes AIRMATIC or ABC.
The CL & SL are ABC only. And ABC is a hydraulic system.
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Only the S-class comes AIRMATIC or ABC.
The CL & SL are ABC only. And ABC is a hydraulic system.
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Originally Posted by jerryho
Hi Marcus,

Thanks for your reply. I am under the impression that pneumatic is an "air-based" system. Pneumatic and air is the same thing I believe?

How does the handling on the SL600 compare to the E55 ?
IMO, the E class handles better than the S,SL and CL . It is a much lighter car and just more nimble. My CL even with ABS is really just a great high speed, Hwy, luxury cruiser. It is like comparing a Hyabussa to a R1
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IMO, if you wanted a canyon carver, you should have bought a BMW.
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
IMO, if you wanted a canyon carver, you should have bought a BMW.
No pun intended.... I got rid of my 745Li for a E55. It is a canyon carver (compared to the E55). That's why i'm a little bit disappointed.

I guess the 469 HP will make it up. =)
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Originally Posted by Marcus Frost
jerryho,

The suspension systems on the SL/S/CL class are pneumatic based, whereas the systems in the E/ML/GL/etc classes are air-based (referred to as AIRMATIC).

In regards to the handling - you are never going to get this car to handle like a real sports car, but adding a lowering module and using it to lower the center of gravity does help quite a bit with body roll, in my experience. There are not any physical upgrades available to the suspension - notwithstanding ripping it all out and putting in Motons or Ohlins.

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Please do not shoot me but the 211, 215 and 230 suspension systems are electrohydraulic based,, pneumatic is air based like on the220
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Originally Posted by jerryho
No pun intended.... I got rid of my 745Li for a E55. It is a canyon carver (compared to the E55). That's why i'm a little bit disappointed.

I guess the 469 HP will make it up. =)
An AMG will do many things for you but being nimble and agile is not one of them. The only exceptions to this are the CLK63 Black Series and the C63 (even this is quite a bit sloppy compared to a BMW).

I have owned 4 AMGs and 4 Ms and loved them all but they are very different cars.
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Guys I'm sorry about my post, it was late when I posted and I mixed up my terminology.

SL = HYDRAULIC based
E = PNEUMATIC (air) based

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I've been around buddy, putting in long hours these days - lots of opportunity out there

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Don't confuse the laws of physics with simple lean. Pound for pound, I'll take any M, BMW, Airplane, whatever. Not a chance that a 745Li would handle better. The active suspension is pretty good at keeping the car flat. Obviously, lowering will help a load. In the end, the car wil push licke a flat cow, unless you get wider tires in the front.
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Originally Posted by Television
Please do not shoot me but the 211, 215 and 230 suspension systems are electrohydraulic based,, pneumatic is air based like on the220
WRONG.

W211 - Airmatic DC (Standard)
W215 - ABC (Standard)
R230 - ABC (Standard)

W220 - Airmatic Standard on S430, S500, S600. ABC was optional on all models sans S55, S65. ABC was standard on S55, S65

W221 - Airmatic DC V2.0 (Standard on S550). ABC Optional on S550. ABC is standard on S600, S63, S65.

Reference: ABC - Active Body Control (Hydraulic). Airmatic Dual Control (DC) - (Air)

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