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Old 11-23-2008, 11:27 PM
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LOL, sorry about that. To clarify, not everyone in CA, just a choice few.
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Again...nice finally meeting you. I am trying to update the list but want the times as accurate as possible. I need Craig's and JT55's times.

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What is there really to muck? Relatively speaking, everything played out as it should. Nothing new or fresh. the 63s are still in R&D, which is cool. They will pay their dues and then step up.
I'll let Marko fill you in on his requests. Our track record speaks for itself and we don't plan on slowing down anytime soon.

If you mean everything played out as it should as in our customers setting and breaking records, and a bolt-on tune C63 running 11.59@119.75 then yes, you are correct.

63s in R&D??? LOL, you think the 55s/65s/600s, etc aren't? LOL.

Jangy, you screw up more threads than anyone on this site and are a self professed amateur with nothing of value to add to any discussion that belongs a tech forum.

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Again...nice finally meeting you. I am trying to update the list but want the times as accurate as possible. I need Craig's and JT55's times.

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Tom,
Same here. JT went 11.46@122.+ and Craig went 11.80@120 sorry I don't have more digits.

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Same here. JT went 11.46@122.+ and Craig went 11.80@120 sorry I don't have more digits.

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I can't get over that 08' CL600 run 11.80 @ 120mph, do you know they weigh a good deal more than the old body 215's ie 4650lbs vs 08'-up 4900lbs that big boy was moving

I wish somebody would've run there STOCK or modded SL600 in that stellar weather/track, they only weigh 4500lbs....
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I have to ask if you delivered what you promised at MIR? It sounds like your car performed as promised, but all your "customers" cars didn't deliver? Please explain as I'm confused.

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I have to ask if you delivered what you promised at MIR? It sounds like your car performed as promised, but all your "customers" cars didn't deliver? Please explain as I'm confused.

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You must be confused? Everyone (JT55, jrcart, MHP, Fr33kn63, MarkoCL65) that we had a hand in tuning (as explained in the original post) set and/or broke a record, I'm really not sure what else there is to say.


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btw... your car ran an AMAZING time... i have to say...
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Andy, I want to only clear up one point and that is in reference to Marko's car. I dont want anyone to misinterpret anything..

Everything on that car is still a VRP part except for the TCU which he was trying out while at MIR.

Marko and I talk almost every day (we are involved in a few projects) and since he is on the road driving back home I will post until he gets an opportunity to. I just spoke with him about an hour ago and he filled me in on everything.

Marko said he did some datalogging with stock TCU and revised TCU that Dave Kasper sent him. Both datalogging sessions show the same timing being run just before and after shifts, both still took 2.5secs to recover from the Torque Management, and both took the same amount of time to shift gears so the TCU in Marko's car is behaving just like stock for now.

I know a properly programmed TCU with torque management removed will help tremendously but right now the TCU is not giving him any benefit. I know that Dave will figure out what is wrong and give him a working unit but right now its not doing what it is supposed to.

If you look at his 2 last runs (Byron's 10.76 vs MIR 10.72) you'll see that he actually went SLOWER @ MIR.

11/1/2008 2:09PM @ Byron Dragway
10.76 @ 129.28mph

DA was +272
Corrected run was 10.784 @ 129mph


11/22/2008 @ MIR
10.72 @ 130.76

DA was -2068
Corrected run was 10.821 @ 129.647mph


Marko was actually a bit bummed about MIR because he was hoping to really break his record but it didnt happen.


Aside from all that, I will say BIG CONGRATS to you because your 11.59 run in the C63 is impressive!!



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You must be confused? Everyone (JT55, jrcart, MHP, Fr33kn63, MarkoCL65) that we had a hand in tuning (as explained in the original post) set and/or broke a record, I'm really not sure what else there is to say.


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You must be confused? Everyone (JT55, jrcart, MHP, Fr33kn63, MarkoCL65) that we had a hand in tuning (as explained in the original post) set and/or broke a record, I'm really not sure what else there is to say.


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i don't think he's confused. it's a bit misleading for you to imply that people broke records because of your tune over track conditions. marko's tcu tune didn't even take. if you apply correction factors (like you said several times that you would), it appears that both jrcart's and fr33kn63's cars ran worse than before mhp's work. and now fr33kn63's transmission ironically has problems. make it personal and attack me if you like but i think indyjoe's inquiry isn't that far off base.
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Andy, I want to only clear up one point and that is in reference to Marko's car. I dont want anyone to misinterpret anything..

Everything on that car is still a VRP part except for the TCU which he was trying out while at MIR.
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Aside from all that, I will say BIG CONGRATS to you because your 11.59 run in the C63 is impressive!!
Okay, that was Vic's lightning, let's wait for Andy's thunder!

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Andy, I want to only clear up one point and that is in reference to Marko's car. I dont want anyone to misinterpret anything..

Everything on that car is still a VRP part except for the TCU which he was trying out while at MIR.

Marko and I talk almost every day (we are involved in a few projects) and since he is on the road driving back home I will post until he gets an opportunity to. I just spoke with him about an hour ago and he filled me in on everything.

Marko said he did some datalogging with stock TCU and revised TCU that Dave Kasper sent him. Both datalogging sessions show the same timing being run just before and after shifts, both still took 2.5secs to recover from the Torque Management, and both took the same amount of time to shift gears so the TCU in Marko's car is behaving just like stock for now.

I know a properly programmed TCU with torque management removed will help tremendously but right now the TCU is not giving him any benefit. I know that Dave will figure out what is wrong and give him a working unit but right now its not doing what it is supposed to.

If you look at his 2 last runs (Byron's 10.76 vs MIR 10.72) you'll see that he actually went SLOWER @ MIR.

11/1/2008 2:09PM @ Byron Dragway
10.76 @ 129.28mph

DA was +272
Corrected run was 10.784 @ 129mph


11/22/2008 @ MIR
10.72 @ 130.76

DA was -2068
Corrected run was 10.821 @ 129.647mph


Marko was actually a bit bummed about MIR because he was hoping to really break his record but it didnt happen.


Aside from all that, I will say BIG CONGRATS to you because your 11.59 run in the C63 is impressive!!
Sean/thericker DA corrected my 11.59@119.75 run to a 11.85@116.xx pass which is odd because I trapped 118.18 and 118.78 at NRP in 480'+ DA air at 857' Elevation. Something's not quite adding up as far as CFs go.

Thanks on the C63.
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i don't think he's confused. it's a bit misleading for you to imply that people broke records because of your tune over track conditions. marko's tcu tune didn't even take. if you apply correction factors (like you said several times that you would), it appears that both jrcart's and fr33kn63's cars ran worse than before mhp's work. and now fr33kn63's transmission ironically has problems. make it personal and attack me if you like but i think indyjoe's inquiry isn't that far off base.
To be honest, If i recall correctly, Jeff said he hasn't received his tune from MHP yet, but I'm not sure if he was referring to his TCU or ECU. It was a Hang Over breakfast we had lol.
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i don't think he's confused. it's a bit misleading for you to imply that people broke records because of your tune over track conditions. marko's tcu tune didn't even take. if you apply correction factors (like you said several times that you would), it appears that both jrcart's and fr33kn63's cars ran worse than before mhp's work.
and now fr33kn63's transmission ironically has problems. make it personal and attack me if you like but i think indyjoe's inquiry isn't that far off base
www.smokemup.com has been down for the past 2 days and is the most accurate site that I'm aware of for weather correction as it's the NHRA's own. Funny you of all people should mention correcting drag times, since the only numbers that count in your opinion are actual #s. Also amazing that a jaded few can attempt to spin such a positive situation into something other than what it is.

Read my initial post as to why jrcart didn't break his own N/A record. His car was making too much power to put down with the Corsa's but not enough to not bog with the ET Streets N/A. Anyone at the event that saw him run will verify that including Jim himself.
Nitrous is DA in a bottle and jrcart broke his own record with our tuning.

JT55broke jrcart's old N/A record with our tuning at his first time to the drag strip with his 1000 mile car. Green motor, hotlapping and still ran 11.46@122+ on a slammed suspension.

Fr33kn63s E63 knocked off .1 and gained 2mph with just our TCU tune and his old Renntech tune. His driveline issues (as he told me on the phone earlier) began before we touched his car.

I don't think I need to say a thing about our C63.

I don't personally attack people, make false claims, or try to backhandedly insult others mikey. Search through your posts and tell me you're not the pot trying to call the kettle black.

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To be honest, If i recall correctly, Jeff said he hasn't received his tune from MHP yet, but I'm not sure if he was referring to his TCU or ECU. It was a Hang Over breakfast we had lol.
this is what i was referring to:

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Props to...Jeff Miller for bettering his previous best by .1 and 2mph with our TCU only tuning...
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this is what i was referring to:
Jeff will have our ECU/TCU tuning by Wed at latest, he is currently running Renntech's ECU and our TCU tune. Anyone that drives one of our TCU tuned MBs can instantly tell the difference it's night and day. At this point I'm actually glad Jeff didn't have our ECU tuning as well as the increased output would've caused a quicker failure of an already wounded driveline.

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Okay, that was Vic's lightning, let's wait for Andy's thunder!

I need to get more feedback from Marko before responding. Even though the entire tune obviously wasn't working to it's potential some parts of it should have been present (like increased line pressure). My thunder has already been posted, 16 degrees of advance on 100 octane and no TM reduction in the ECU. ECUs are cake, TCUs are exponentially harder to do.

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www.smokemup.com is down and is the most accurate site that I'm aware of for weather correction as it's the NHRA's own.

Read my initial post as to why jrcart didn't break his own N/A record. His car was making too much power to put down with the Corsa's but not enough to not bog with the ET Streets N/A. Anyone at the event that saw him run will verify that including Jim himself.
Nitrous is DA in a bottle and jrcart broke his own record with our tuning.

JT55broke jrcart's old N/A record with our tuning at his first time to the drag strip with his 1000 mile car. Green motor, hotlapping and still ran 11.46@122+ on a slammed suspension.

Fr33kn63s E63 knocked off .1 and gained 2mph with just our TCU tune and his old Renntech tune. His driveline issues (as he told me on the phone earlier) began before we touched his car.

I don't think I need to say a thing about our C63.

I don't personally attack people, make false claims, or try to backhandedly insult others mikey. Search through your posts and tell me you're not the pot trying to call the kettle black.

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thanks, let me know when smokemup is back online so you can get everything corrected for comparison.
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Go figure it's up again:

The closest weather results for 11/22/2008 at 03:02 pm

Time recorded 2:52 PM
Temperature °F 37.0
Dew Point °F 10.9
Altimeter Setting 30.45 Inches Mercury
Absolute Pressure: 30.37 Inches
Density Altitude: -1955.1 feet
Track Elelvation: 80 feet

UnCorrected ET:
11.595 (sec) @ 119.75 (MPH)


Corrected ET to Sea Level:
11.833 (sec) @ 117.233 (MPH)

Again weird since I trapped 118.18 and 118.78 actual (118.99/119.31 corrected) at 480'+ DA at an elevation of 857' at NRP. Conflicting data FTL.

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thanks, let me know when smokemup is back online so you can get everything corrected for comparison.
You can register/pay and do your own corrections mikey.

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yep, just logged in myself...but i'll let others post their own corrections for obvioius reasons. (still think it was your tune?)
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
i don't think he's confused. it's a bit misleading for you to imply that people broke records because of your tune over track conditions. marko's tcu tune didn't even take. if you apply correction factors (like you said several times that you would), it appears that both jrcart's and fr33kn63's cars ran worse than before mhp's work. and now fr33kn63's transmission ironically has problems. make it personal and attack me if you like but i think indyjoe's inquiry isn't that far off base.
You know i've stayed quiet for quite a long time and have been turned off to this forum ever since this Andy bashing BS began.
99% of it was completely baseless and your continued foaming at the mouth makes u look like nothing less than a complete idiot. You have never had anything but negativity to add to any post i've ever seen u make. Whats the matter Mama weened u off the tete's too early bro?
Just what is your malfunction? a bad L3 - L4? A pinched nerve in the neck cuttin off blood flow to the brain ?
Andy has answered and literally shoved his results down all of your collective throats - posted ridiculous numbers on an otherwise stock C63, all the dyno results one could ask for - helped me set the a-hem 63 n/a record on my first time out! and if you would bother to listen to Jim he will tell u how much more responsive and faster his car felt after the MHP tune. You weren't at MIR and quite frankly should keep your pie hole shut cause you had every opport. to come and show us how GREAT ur chiro tuned car is, but you didn't and all you do is keep jabbering.
Talk is cheap bro and right ab now urs is cheaper than GM's stock my friend - give it a rest already - I for one dont want to hear it anymore and im sure im not in the minority. All you West Coast guys the 63 records over here now with Andys tune, Evosports parts and Bruces build come get it or shut the F up.
Next time I get myself a race gas tune some race gas a set of slicks and run low 11's all motor - on my SECOND time to the Drag strip - WHAT???????????
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BTW, our customer with M6 ECU/TCU is loving his car.
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