blackbenzz

I would not recommend a wheel to wheel race as we know tempers may flareand there may be damage done to the cars or even worse the drivers.


This is not fair, jrcart will destroy an E55 on a road course. Thats what it was built for!

That being said, whats the date for this? Is t close to the fomosa event? If its in the same week I may have to go!

jangy

Not enough to win. I know he has the fastest car on a road circuit, after all it was built for it.

blackbenzz

So you aren't gonna race him?

jangy

By not running 265s on the front?

The car has balance, but it is a pig. I won't lose because it pushes, but none the less.

transferred

He said he will, remember Jangy doesn't pay if he loses. They may even become friends.

jmf003

I looked around and found a Willow Springs time for an E55: 1:41.32. (http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page...Bvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=)

If that's a reasonable time for an E55 (Cyn? Anyone?) and if 1:31 to 1:32 is a reasonable time for a CLK63BS then it seems to me that the handicap for bragging rights ought to be 9 or 10 seconds a lap rather than 2 seconds.

For what it's worth....

jangy

Yes, and it will DEFINITELY be wheel to wheel.

So Jim....5 laps X 2 seconds per lap = 10 seconds. As long as I am within 10 seconds of you by the end I win, right?

blackbenzz

You are making it harder for yourself. If you can get within 2 seconds of his best lap you win

jangy

You are about on. It may even be worse, since he has power. I've seen C32 times that are at the 1:30 mark. Add another 200ish HP and it helps on that track.

Either way, like I said, I don't expect to get money unless he runs off the road. I'm sure we will have an over and under before the event.

MB_Forever

Remember, the 1:31 to 1:32 time was for a stock CLK63 BS..... Jim's car is way beyond stock

jangy

But how do we go 5 laps wheel to wheel and then figure out the best lap for each?

blackbenzz

By timing each lap with timing devices. You guys can negotiate something else if thats what you want. I have no stake in this. Need to talk to the boss to see if I can get a few days off work now

Fast55

If you've found a way to keep a W211 E55 from pushing the front end on a fast track, please do share.

CynCarvin32

If he gets down to 1:36 hes doing REALLY well. I have done a 1:37 in a SLK350 but remember that car is light and nimble compared to the E55.

Its a very fast track and there are some long straights where power matters but after 1:35 each second that comes off is a big step. Going into the low 1:3x requires aerodynamic aids normally. Its not about power in that a Lotus elise non sport can do a 1:32 in the hands of a pro and a guy I track with has a 1977 911 RS that does a 1:27 with just 226 rwhp (he has some pretty decent sized wings and splitters along with a good chassis and serious driving skill).

Jim Brady

FWIW, The last EVOsport track day, we ran some drag races on the front straight at WSIR. Some high horsepower cars were surprised at what some of the road racers could thown down. That might be interesting.
I've seen a 211 on Hoosiers break into the 1:39's on a perfect day. You're not going to get that in Jan.
Jimmy

CynCarvin32

I highly doubt Jcart will be doing a 1:31 but if he does my hat is off to him. That would be a sensational time and put him in a pretty elite bracket for lap times. For that lap time you need to be doing 135 through 8 and hitting 150 on the front straight.

CynCarvin32

I have done sub 1:40's in an E500 but it was a ragged POS when I was done. Need pads, rotors, tires, and a new caliper. That poor car. I could feel the suspension trying to rip off the car as you go 115+ in 8.

jrcart

What do you mean you will come to me? You know exactly where I am going to be, I will be at Willow Springs on Thursday January 15th, bright and early, I will be there when the gates open.

Jangy, and by the way, you do have one thing to lose...what little credibility and respect you have from members of this forum. I have wathced you flap your jaws for the past 12 months and never once seen you back up your talk. You said you were a better driver than me, you said your car is faster than me, you said that a 63 will never beat any 55, you said I ruined my car by taking it to the drag strip, well now you are going to get to see how much I did not ruin it. I'm going to ruin you.

So now that I assume you are coming do you want the 2.000 bet or the wheel-to-wheel 5 or 10 lap race? You decide, either is fine with me.

bigben320e

All I can say:

1. It's about damn time.
2. I want some video footage, and the ending as well.
3. The loser should be made to cook dinner for the winner. LOL.

Have fun, be safe, and don't welch on this guys. The suspense is driving me nuts!

BTW- If this bet doesn't happen one of you will lose all credibility, and respect. I won't put a name to it yet.

jrcart

...no, this is run what you brung and depending on if Dymag ever gets me my friggin wheels back or not I might be running road race slicks on my stock wheels, I would prefer running Corsas on the Dymags because I have a lot of experience with that set-up and really know how they feel and react. Either way he's getting schooled.

E55Pilot

That's a pro driver and that's a fast lap time for a E55. The BS time is probably closer to 1:32-33 for a pro driver and that's with the driver working it hard thru turn 9.

E55Pilot

If it's your first time at Big Willow I'd run R compounds and learn the track before you put the slicks on. Turn 9 is not very forgiving and is usually the spot where the scrap iron is created. Oh and don't forget the ditch at the exit of 9 that will pitch you into the Pit-in wall. Robert Carradine is three inches shorter due to that ditch/wall combo

jrcart

Jangy, it's an either or race, 2.00 seconds my best lap compared to your best lap of the day or a 5 lap wheel-to-wheel race with no times margin of victory required, first guy across the line wins...pick one or the other, this is not a mix and match sale. I just thought I would throw you another option to sweeten the deal, some guys (like myself) perform better in a race situation, back when I raced supebikes I stunk at qualifying, but in the race I could run a second per lap faster than I qualified, even late in the race on spent tires I was as fast as I qualified, I just get more motivated when I have someone to chase or someone chasing me. It's your choice, let me know.

One more thing, as someone else mentioned, tempers will not flair, I would never use a car as a weapon, especially one that I have $200k wrapped into. I would not race that way with a street car, not even I could stoop that low.

E55Pilot

No there are no shortcuts. I guess you could try to cut across the "Infield" but there are several hidden drainage ditches that will swallow a car

Jim Brady

Agreed, conditions make a world of difference at WSIR. Nobody is going to be going 1:32's guaranteed. But this is about having fun. Lota internet racers out there, my moto just show up.
Jimmy