QUALITY of exhaust note: to X pipe...or to not X pipe ??

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Feb 18, 2009 | 08:56 PM
  #26  
Quote: If you want sound just delete resonators.


Delete resonator and put what in it's place? X-Pipe, H-Pipe, Straight Pipes?
And not for a "Camaro" sound either -- luxury car with a nice exhaust that's a bit louder
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Feb 18, 2009 | 09:23 PM
  #27  
Quote: Delete resonator and put what in it's place? X-Pipe, H-Pipe, Straight Pipes?
And not for a "Camaro" sound either -- luxury car with a nice exhaust that's a bit louder
I would say cut out the resonators and the secondary cats and throw in an x-pipe and see how you like it then go from there. If it's too much, put the cats back on.
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Feb 18, 2009 | 09:43 PM
  #28  
Quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opstY...eature=channel
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wow....that is actually quite crackly !
thanks for posting the videos
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Feb 18, 2009 | 09:45 PM
  #29  
a quick update...I have dropped the car off to the exhaust shop this morning.
cat & resonator removal
x pipe

will post results here tonight !
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Feb 19, 2009 | 08:55 AM
  #30  
ok, so I have the car back from the exhaust shop.
removed the 3rd and 4th cats
removed the centre muffler
x pipe install

QUALITY
in a word...smooth. very factory like. no crackling.

Quantity
it is louder than stock, just enough to detect a note.
still surprisingly quiet at idle, and under normal throttle applications.
inside, there is a tiny increase in volume....still quieter than i was expecting.

At full throttle, it has the deepest muted growl this side of a maserati.
IMPRESSIVE ....even go so far as to say perfect

In summary.
Subtle.
You would have to describe it as the ultimate factory exhaust ...rather than a modified exhaust.

we have seen the before and after pics countless times......but hey, its only bandwidth....



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Feb 19, 2009 | 08:58 AM
  #31  
thank you for your comments everyone, i appreciate it.



......so, what should my next subtle mod be !?
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Feb 19, 2009 | 11:02 AM
  #32  
Very informative pics.
When you get a chance try to post a video.
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Feb 19, 2009 | 11:26 AM
  #33  
nice nice,

I was wondering if there is any sound quality if using double x pipe ?? the first x pipe replacing the h pipe and the other one replacing the resonator .... would it be necesarry ?
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Feb 19, 2009 | 11:37 AM
  #34  
Newb here as you can tell by my first post. In the next year I'm planning on getting an E55 as ever since my friend and I test drove one back in 2006, i have wanted one. Just need to get rid of the Porsche and convince the wife that this will be a great family car. I'm learning as much as possible about this car, and I'm a pretty damn good mechanic. My question is in regards to the pic above. I see the cats coming off the manifolds, then I see the other 2 cats right after the cross over pipe, but is that a resonator/muffler that the two pipes connect too right before the rear axle?
Thanks all.
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Feb 19, 2009 | 11:41 AM
  #35  
yup , it's the resonator by the rear axle.
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Feb 19, 2009 | 11:56 AM
  #36  
Quote: but is that a resonator that the two pipes connect too right before the rear axle?
Thanks all.

Yes
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Feb 19, 2009 | 01:19 PM
  #37  
Quote: ok, so I have the car back from the exhaust shop.
removed the 3rd and 4th cats
removed the centre muffler
x pipe install

QUALITY
in a word...smooth. very factory like. no crackling.

Quantity
it is louder than stock, just enough to detect a note.
still surprisingly quiet at idle, and under normal throttle applications.
inside, there is a tiny increase in volume....still quieter than i was expecting.

At full throttle, it has the deepest muted growl this side of a maserati.
IMPRESSIVE ....even go so far as to say perfect

In summary.
Subtle.
You would have to describe it as the ultimate factory exhaust ...rather than a modified exhaust.

we have seen the before and after pics countless times......but hey, its only bandwidth....
Setup looks good glad you like it! If you have time, please post up a sound clip, there are countless people on this board wondering the same thing you did when you started the thread and would love to hear your car.

I say next mod is headers... They REALLY wake up the car!
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Feb 19, 2009 | 01:39 PM
  #38  
Quote: ok, so I have the car back from the exhaust shop.
removed the 3rd and 4th cats
removed the centre muffler
x pipe install

QUALITY
in a word...smooth. very factory like. no crackling.

Quantity
it is louder than stock, just enough to detect a note.
still surprisingly quiet at idle, and under normal throttle applications.
inside, there is a tiny increase in volume....still quieter than i was expecting.

At full throttle, it has the deepest muted growl this side of a maserati.
IMPRESSIVE ....even go so far as to say perfect

In summary.
Subtle.
You would have to describe it as the ultimate factory exhaust ...rather than a modified exhaust.

we have seen the before and after pics countless times......but hey, its only bandwidth....
Will this setup cause any other issues, e.g. CEL codes/errors, issues passing smog, etc.?
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Feb 19, 2009 | 02:27 PM
  #39  
Quote: Will this setup cause any other issues, e.g. CEL codes/errors, issues passing smog, etc.?
Shouldn't have any problem passing CA smog, assuming the rest of the car is working order. Unless they wanna be picky and complain about the secondary cats
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Feb 19, 2009 | 02:28 PM
  #40  
It looks like the new tubing is smaller than the stock? or maybe it's just bc there is a difference in color?
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Feb 19, 2009 | 04:57 PM
  #41  
Q...
Did you use 3" piping
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Feb 19, 2009 | 05:56 PM
  #42  
Quote: Very informative pics.
When you get a chance try to post a video.
I would have taken a video last night.......except it started to rain

Quote: nice nice,
I was wondering if there is any sound quality if using double x pipe ?? the first x pipe replacing the h pipe and the other one replacing the resonator .... would it be necesarry ?
I suspect it would be too quiet....!

Quote: Newb here as you can tell by my first post. In the next year I'm planning on getting an E55 as ever since my friend and I test drove one back in 2006, i have wanted one. Just need to get rid of the Porsche and convince the wife that this will be a great family car. I'm learning as much as possible about this car, and I'm a pretty damn good mechanic. My question is in regards to the pic above. I see the cats coming off the manifolds, then I see the other 2 cats right after the cross over pipe, but is that a resonator/muffler that the two pipes connect too right before the rear axle?
Thanks all.
Sell your Porsche !? ....what model do you have ?

Quote: Setup looks good glad you like it! If you have time, please post up a sound clip, there are countless people on this board wondering the same thing you did when you started the thread and would love to hear your car.

I say next mod is headers... They REALLY wake up the car!
Will take one over the weekend.....weather permitting

Quote: It looks like the new tubing is smaller than the stock? or maybe it's just bc there is a difference in color?
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Quote: Q...
Did you use 3" piping
the tubing does look smaller in the pic ! ....but it is 3"
2 reasons.
the bend into the xpipe is a machine bend
the colour is deceptive


certainly not the best pipework I have ever seen
but it gives me sound
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Feb 19, 2009 | 08:16 PM
  #43  
Q, it looks to me that the muffler shop used 2.5'' piping. Stock is 2.75''. If that is the case, you just slowed your car down.

We had a local muffler shop do a very similar job, 2.5'' pipes, on one of our clients 63 and he was down 25RWHP from his earlier baseline.

Have them go at least 3'', since the bends are also crushed.
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Feb 19, 2009 | 08:28 PM
  #44  
Vadim, would be interested in the exact set-up..can you oblige?
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Feb 19, 2009 | 08:48 PM
  #45  
Quote: Q, it looks to me that the muffler shop used 2.5'' piping. Stock is 2.75''. If that is the case, you just slowed your car down.

We had a local muffler shop do a very similar job, 2.5'' pipes, on one of our clients 63 and he was down 25RWHP from his earlier baseline.

Have them go at least 3'', since the bends are also crushed.
by the pictures, you may be right...but it's still hard to tell. however, because of the fact that he removed secondary cats and the resonator and added a decent x-pipe, i would bet that he's still experiencing a net positive. also, he was going after (and achieved) a sound goal rather than a performance goal so it's probably a mute point.
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Feb 19, 2009 | 10:49 PM
  #46  
Quote: Q, it looks to me that the muffler shop used 2.5'' piping. Stock is 2.75''. If that is the case, you just slowed your car down.
Now that I look at it...you are right.
With the quick glance I gave it, I assumed factory was 3"
Teach me to not take the time out - and spell out what I want
....rather than dropping it off and saying call me when it is done.

As far as power is concerned...I could not tell you if it makes more or less.
I don't give it a hard time, to know if there is a gain.
What I will say is - the traction control is cutting in earlier now... !

On the bright side, note was my sole criteria
I have a 993 Turbo S for acceleration
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Feb 19, 2009 | 11:16 PM
  #47  
Quote: i'm not sure why people keep claiming long tube headers will drastically alter exhaust sound or just make a 55k motor loud. i can assure you that it's NOT true (at least not in my case). i'm running long tubes into an x-pipe with no cats or resonator into the oem mufflers and my car is as quiet as stock when cruising at any speed and it's only moderately louder in the cabin when getting into the throttle.
I wish my car was quiet again :cry: I think its the AMG mufflers that quiet it down alot.
Quote: Ok well said, so if my primary reason to mod the exhaust is to get more sound would cutting the mufflers and removing the packing and baffles be avisable. It may be more cost effective.
I will be posting vids this weekend of my setup. I know its not a E55 but its similar. My setup is Kleemann headers to 3" dual pipes to a x-pipe (which I think is a properly done x pipe) back to dual magnaflow mufflers tack welded together to fit in the place of the OEM muffler. It is LOUD and not in a good way.
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Feb 19, 2009 | 11:52 PM
  #48  
Quote: I wish my car was quiet again :cry: I think its the AMG mufflers that quiet it down alot.

I will be posting vids this weekend of my setup. I know its not a E55 but its similar. My setup is Kleemann headers to 3" dual pipes to a x-pipe (which I think is a properly done x pipe) back to dual magnaflow mufflers tack welded together to fit in the place of the OEM muffler. It is LOUD and not in a good way.
it's absolutely the amg mufflers that quiet down my system. however, an x-pipe that creates turbulence rather than merging gasses will also increase "sound". whether that's good or bad is quite subjective.
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Feb 20, 2009 | 12:13 AM
  #49  
I have Vadim's mid section installed (no cats and x-pipe added) and it sounds mean. At first I thought the noise was a little much but after driving with it a couple of weeks I'm really begining to like it. Everyone that has been it my car loves the sound over stock. When I get a chance I'll post up a sound clip.
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Feb 22, 2009 | 09:58 PM
  #50  
Quote: it's absolutely the amg mufflers that quiet down my system. however, an x-pipe that creates turbulence rather than merging gasses will also increase "sound". whether that's good or bad is quite subjective.
Chiromikey,

Since I believe that deleting the resonators will make it louder, I don't think turbulance is what I want. Can you recommend an x-pipe that does a good job at merging rather than creating turbulence?
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