Can the E63 hang with a Ferrari F430 Spider?
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) awhile back and he said he hit 200mph stock with his limiter removed on a GUMBALL excursion. I don't doubt it. I remember the way my W211 pulled-- like a freight train. I could definitely tell when I hit my limiter the car had plenty left to give. 
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well not sure I agree with everything posted here, but
here are some facts
Ferrari 430, ( non scuderia )
weight 3300lbs
0-60 3.9-4.0 secs depending on where you read and see it
HP 383
TORQUE only 343
Mer E 63 AMG
4250 lbs
0-60 anywhere from 4.1-4.3 secs depending on source,,
HP 507
TOR 465 torque
here are some facts
Ferrari 430, ( non scuderia )
weight 3300lbs
0-60 3.9-4.0 secs depending on where you read and see it
HP 383
TORQUE only 343
Mer E 63 AMG
4250 lbs
0-60 anywhere from 4.1-4.3 secs depending on source,,
HP 507
TOR 465 torque
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sorry was a mistype meant 483 HP , 383 would be way low for sure
the 3 and 4 on the keyboard are next to each other I will edit it sorry for mistype
Last edited by storm; Mar 30, 2009 at 03:07 AM.
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EXACTLY,, seen you tube vids of delim ones doing 202
and stories of them on the SILVER STATE speed run doing 205+
at anything above 175 DRAG CO EFF makes a HGE difference,,
maybe 10 mpg or more..
and the merc has the ferrari on that, for sure at .27
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well,, considering I rear alot of sources,, I just really cited 2 I figured you had access too..
if you ever watch the SHOW SUPERCARS on SPEED,
( do you have cable yet> ) they had the same stats,,
as did several other shows,
some of the ferrari forums have it as well,, but they tend to exxaggerate sometimes with the times..
I have also seen them on the tracks at LAGUNA, and WILLOW.. personally,,
the reason,, I cited magazines, was as additional proof,, for some of the nay sayers and meathead skeptics and hates that are bored and always have to pick a fight.
sound familiar?
bottom line,, they are all professional sources, with hundreds of years expierence together with cars,, and are the industry standard for testing,
so would take them for a source over YOU<,
instead of being a loudmouth, why dont you post what 0-60 time of the F430 you think is right,, and back up some numbers with some data?
if not,, then, not interested , as mostly was not talking to you anyway.
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well not sure I agree with everything posted here, but
here are some facts
Ferrari 430, ( non scuderia )
weight 3300lbs
0-60 3.9-4.0 secs depending on where you read and see it
HP 383
TORQUE only 343
Mer E 63 AMG
4250 lbs
0-60 anywhere from 4.1-4.3 secs depending on source,,
HP 507
TOR 465 torque
now, it is true that the Ferrari is fast, but the MErcedes 0-60 numbers are conservative for insurance reasona and mercedes always is conservative on them..
there are several YOU TUBE videos on people with E 63's with electronic timers in the car tracking the 0-60 time between 3.9-4.0
thing is, if you empty you spare tire, and tool kit, and anything else you maybe be able to shed 55 lbs,
and if you wait till you have only about 3 gallons in the car of gas,
that is a huge wieght savings,,
I have seen 0-60 times in AMG's personally on street and track go down
2/10th sec from an empty fuel tank
fuel weight is about 6 lbs per gallon, so lightening you car
15 gallons would shed about 90 lbs,, combined with the 55 lbs of the spare and other crap.. and you get instant 145 lbs lighter.
does not sound like alot but can make a difference, because your E 63 has
120 more lb torque that the Ferrari, so if he has a full tank or even 3/4
weight will hurt him alot more than you cause he has less torque or pulling power,,
so see if you can suker him into going to the gas station with you before you race and full up, only you dont fill up , pretend to but dont put gas in.
lol
I have seen this make the difference in a race sometimes..
if you also, put like 1.5 gallons of 100 octane racing fuel in with say
2 gallons of 93, that should give you a tad more as well..
so if you get him to fill his tank, thats 90lbs extra he will have weight,
combined with you sheding 150 lbs, should even things up a bit..
you may still lose, but you should take him 0-40 no problem,
and if he has a manual stick, and cant shift that fast, which most ferrari owners cant,, then you may take him even to 60 with alot of luck
however , being that he does have a car even with the tricks I told you to do, will have 500 lb lighter car than you,, by 80 he would likely
overtake you..
best part is,, most amatuer drivers in the city wont want to do 80 they chicken out,, at around 65-70, so who knows you maybe get lucky...
see if you can get his wife or GF, to go with him too ,tell them they make a good couple, and should race together,, that will add another 150lbs
to his car. lol then he will lose..
or if she is a fat bush pig,,
maybe even 200 lbs.
the FERRARI SCUDERIA is a whole different animal, they basically did what I am telling you to do, LIGHTEN the car by like 250 lbs with carbon fiber.
with 20 more HP as well, and a full 1/2 sec quicker 0-60 at 3.5 secs.
one of the reasons I shed 225 lbs on my mercedes, by having Carbon fibers trunk, Hood, and fenders, lighten exhaust, and mufflers, and no spare tire
so its ALOT faster
A stock resonator and stock AMG mufflers on a merc alone weight 105 lbs all together with associated piping
so if he has one of those,, which I doubt,,dont bother.
anyway,, good luck..
here are some facts
Ferrari 430, ( non scuderia )
weight 3300lbs
0-60 3.9-4.0 secs depending on where you read and see it
HP 383
TORQUE only 343
Mer E 63 AMG
4250 lbs
0-60 anywhere from 4.1-4.3 secs depending on source,,
HP 507
TOR 465 torque
now, it is true that the Ferrari is fast, but the MErcedes 0-60 numbers are conservative for insurance reasona and mercedes always is conservative on them..
there are several YOU TUBE videos on people with E 63's with electronic timers in the car tracking the 0-60 time between 3.9-4.0
thing is, if you empty you spare tire, and tool kit, and anything else you maybe be able to shed 55 lbs,
and if you wait till you have only about 3 gallons in the car of gas,
that is a huge wieght savings,,
I have seen 0-60 times in AMG's personally on street and track go down
2/10th sec from an empty fuel tank
fuel weight is about 6 lbs per gallon, so lightening you car
15 gallons would shed about 90 lbs,, combined with the 55 lbs of the spare and other crap.. and you get instant 145 lbs lighter.
does not sound like alot but can make a difference, because your E 63 has
120 more lb torque that the Ferrari, so if he has a full tank or even 3/4
weight will hurt him alot more than you cause he has less torque or pulling power,,
so see if you can suker him into going to the gas station with you before you race and full up, only you dont fill up , pretend to but dont put gas in.
lol
I have seen this make the difference in a race sometimes..
if you also, put like 1.5 gallons of 100 octane racing fuel in with say
2 gallons of 93, that should give you a tad more as well..
so if you get him to fill his tank, thats 90lbs extra he will have weight,
combined with you sheding 150 lbs, should even things up a bit..
you may still lose, but you should take him 0-40 no problem,
and if he has a manual stick, and cant shift that fast, which most ferrari owners cant,, then you may take him even to 60 with alot of luck
however , being that he does have a car even with the tricks I told you to do, will have 500 lb lighter car than you,, by 80 he would likely
overtake you..
best part is,, most amatuer drivers in the city wont want to do 80 they chicken out,, at around 65-70, so who knows you maybe get lucky...
see if you can get his wife or GF, to go with him too ,tell them they make a good couple, and should race together,, that will add another 150lbs
to his car. lol then he will lose..
or if she is a fat bush pig,,
maybe even 200 lbs.
the FERRARI SCUDERIA is a whole different animal, they basically did what I am telling you to do, LIGHTEN the car by like 250 lbs with carbon fiber.
with 20 more HP as well, and a full 1/2 sec quicker 0-60 at 3.5 secs.
one of the reasons I shed 225 lbs on my mercedes, by having Carbon fibers trunk, Hood, and fenders, lighten exhaust, and mufflers, and no spare tire
so its ALOT faster
A stock resonator and stock AMG mufflers on a merc alone weight 105 lbs all together with associated piping
so if he has one of those,, which I doubt,,dont bother.
anyway,, good luck..
You really need to READ what I originally posted. I was commenting on the bolded statement you previously made (as I have repeated above). You say that you have personally witnessed 0-60 times on the street and track go down by 2/10 of a second. This would imply that you or someone else were measuring 0-60 times and you were physically there to witness it. My original response was questioning the equipment (i.e. your sphincter) you used to measure these times. I really don't mind that you decided to rant and rave and make yourself look like a fool...you have a certain knack for that...hey... every village has its own idiot... thanks for being ours!!
Tom
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