liquiddi

Just wondering what the outcome of this race would be from a dead stop and from a role??

TMC M5

The US F430's do not have the same European "launch control" programming (CST). So the F430's here are not quite as fast from a dead stop. However, the gearing, light weight and mid-engine layout give it an advantage launching over the E63 (all the weight is up front). From a dig the F430 should be ahead from start to finish.

A member on 6speedonline tested his E63 and F430 from 60-130mph with a vbox (both cars are stock). The E63 did it in 10.93s and the F430 did it 10.13. Now the Spider is a little heavier...but I am not sure it would change the results overall. I think the F430 still has the advantage from a roll.

The variable that matters most in these types of challenges is the driver...not only is skill involved in launching/shifting...but the willingness to try to extract 100% from their car.

Tom

bobgodd

If I remember correctly, the F430 was trapping similar speeds as the Z06 (slightly less tho) in the 1/4, which would make me think that from a roll if the F430 was in the right gear it should win.

MB_Forever

The F430 should destroy the E63 from a roll.... it's lighter, has better weight distribution, much better gearing, more aerodynamic, shifts faster, etc....

LZH

Stock vs stock the 430 will win. A tuned E63 will be neck and neck. A buddy of mine has both and his E63 will jump out in front up to about 100mph then the 430 will slowly reel the AMG in. We've done it many times and I've driven both - the results are always the same with a good driver in both.

zivicirl

430 would win

alumar

I wonder if i can get my buddy to try his 430 against my Kleemann ... he always wants to test the 599 GTB against it...which is bs, im not racing against that ;P

I Like Soup

Yeah, that might be a little tooo much to handle.

I'd like to try though, just to see and hear that 599 in full battle roar...<keanureeves> whoa <keanureeves>

storm

well not sure I agree with everything posted here, but

here are some facts


Ferrari 430, ( non scuderia )
weight 3300lbs
0-60 3.9-4.0 secs depending on where you read and see it
HP 383
TORQUE only 343

Mer E 63 AMG
4250 lbs
0-60 anywhere from 4.1-4.3 secs depending on source,,
HP 507
TOR 465 torque


now, it is true that the Ferrari is fast, but the MErcedes 0-60 numbers are conservative for insurance reasona and mercedes always is conservative on them..

there are several YOU TUBE videos on people with E 63's with electronic timers in the car tracking the 0-60 time between 3.9-4.0


thing is, if you empty you spare tire, and tool kit, and anything else you maybe be able to shed 55 lbs,
and if you wait till you have only about 3 gallons in the car of gas,
that is a huge wieght savings,,
I have seen 0-60 times in AMG's personally on street and track go down
2/10th sec from an empty fuel tank

fuel weight is about 6 lbs per gallon, so lightening you car
15 gallons would shed about 90 lbs,, combined with the 55 lbs of the spare and other crap.. and you get instant 145 lbs lighter.

does not sound like alot but can make a difference, because your E 63 has

120 more lb torque that the Ferrari, so if he has a full tank or even 3/4
weight will hurt him alot more than you cause he has less torque or pulling power,,

so see if you can suker him into going to the gas station with you before you race and full up, only you dont fill up , pretend to but dont put gas in.
lol

I have seen this make the difference in a race sometimes..

if you also, put like 1.5 gallons of 100 octane racing fuel in with say
2 gallons of 93, that should give you a tad more as well..

so if you get him to fill his tank, thats 90lbs extra he will have weight,
combined with you sheding 150 lbs, should even things up a bit..

you may still lose, but you should take him 0-40 no problem,
and if he has a manual stick, and cant shift that fast, which most ferrari owners cant,, then you may take him even to 60 with alot of luck

however , being that he does have a car even with the tricks I told you to do, will have 500 lb lighter car than you,, by 80 he would likely
overtake you..

best part is,, most amatuer drivers in the city wont want to do 80 they chicken out,, at around 65-70, so who knows you maybe get lucky...

see if you can get his wife or GF, to go with him too ,tell them they make a good couple, and should race together,, that will add another 150lbs
to his car. lol then he will lose..
or if she is a fat bush pig,,
maybe even 200 lbs.

the FERRARI SCUDERIA is a whole different animal, they basically did what I am telling you to do, LIGHTEN the car by like 250 lbs with carbon fiber.
with 20 more HP as well, and a full 1/2 sec quicker 0-60 at 3.5 secs.

one of the reasons I shed 225 lbs on my mercedes, by having Carbon fibers trunk, Hood, and fenders, lighten exhaust, and mufflers, and no spare tire
so its ALOT faster

A stock resonator and stock AMG mufflers on a merc alone weight 105 lbs all together with associated piping


so if he has one of those,, which I doubt,,dont bother.

anyway,, good luck..

TMC M5

How was your sphincter calibrated to measure those 0-60 times on the street and track?

Wow...with all those "tips" on trying to gain an advantage on the other car...it sounds like like you help consult the BMW guys in m5board videos.

Tom

CWW

Hey Tom, you're playing with fire man! He claims to be a Engineer and Test Driver for Porsche and GM. Better watch out!

TMC M5

Don't worry...I wear fire and retard retardant clothes...

Tom

alumar

Here are a few images of the two cars he could race my kleemann in ... (note the Mustang in the middle is mine) ...






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oh and this too









Then he's got a Venom Viper and a new GTS Spider under the covers in that last shot (on the car rack)...freakin *******!

All good fun ; That 599 is a gem though ...

DFW01E55

The 63 actually wins in aerodynamics.
The drag coefficient is .28 for the MB and .33 for the 430.
It seems counter intuitive but the 63 wins in the wind tunnel.

TMC M5

Not really counter intuitive when you consider that Ferrari lately has tried to avoid using wings for added downforce at high speeds. The F430 isn't geared (I believe 4.30 rear diff ratio) for all out top speed. I think their priorities were focused on great handling, very good acceleration times and high speed stability.

Tom

DFW01E55

That means when you look at the 2 cars you judge the 63 to be more slippery than the 430?

I don't believe the average person looks at the 2 cars and thinks the 63 has the better aerodynamics.

If a person has had aerodynamic instruction they might immediately know the outcome ... but not "Joe 6 pack".

05VENOM

The title of the thread is "Can an E63 hang with an F430 Spyder."

My answer is ...yes!!

But let's find out ...any takers for E-town?

BenzBoy12

Just when I thought we could have a nice, clean thread (read: no douchery) storm shows up...

Anyway, yeah the 430 for sure stock-stock, its lighter, by a ton, even if it's down on torque it's still almost 1k lbs. lighter. Plus it shifts a ton faster, and is geared for acceleration. Also, it's got bigger rubber in back, from a dig that might really help. Now excuse me, I have to go clean off my screen, I just saw a red CGT and red GTB next to each other, haha.

Carl Lassiter

The drag coefficient figures do not tell the whole story as they don't take into account frontal area. Now, in this example the F430 with its width and scoops may still create more drag than the E63 but this cannot be determined purely by looking at the cD figures which get such prominence from the marketeers. I can't get more technical than that but I'm sure there's some engineers on here that could give a more substantive explanation.

I have a friend with an 07 Spyder in his collection but he prefers its curb appeal to its abilities as a performance vehicle so I can't give a first hand comparison on that. However, I did run an F430 Coupe from 70-140 last year. The guy was intent on a run and got the jump, after that he didn't pull an inch, but then the freeway runs are playing into the gearing advantage of the M5.

As others have said, stock-to-stock the E63 would do pretty well against an F430 Spyder, a little slower overall but not by much. Throw curves into the mix and (drivers permitting) everyone knows the outcome is obvious, while the 599 is something to avoid at all costs unless you're actually the one driving it.

nrgy

When I was at the drag strip last fall I watched a F430 Spyder put up a 13.1 @ 113. I don't recall exactly the ET, but I know it was in the 13s. For comparison, I ran a crappy 13.1 @ 110.9 in my bone stock C63 with a 2.3 60' I don't know what the F430's 60' was, but I'm certain there was a lot of room for improvement just like mine.

What surprised me the most was the trap speed of the F430 Sypder, I was expecting high teens.

alumar

Oh and here is a walk around video i made that day of the 599 GTB Enjoy

They are damn sexy

2008 599GTB

liquiddi

That's what I was thinking. Convertibles are always slower then the coupes. If they have the paddle shifter I would think it would be a pretty close race with the E63. My neighbor has a brand new F430 so I was wondering the outcome. I'm not friends with him otherwise I would go ask him to race.

BMS

That 599 walk around just got rid of my DSB. For those who don't know that is Dreaded Semen Backup!

nrgy

I never was a big fan on the looks of the 599, but I have to say the 599xx is another story...this car I love!

C280 Sport

The F430 would win. Going to top speed of I think 198MPH or around a track. Either way the Ferrari would win.