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Old May 14, 2009 | 09:29 PM
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Confused on power output and tuner claims. THought our cars had 493 but marketing....

reduced to 469HP.

So if we have 493HP like the S55 etc then why do some of the chip tuners show their stage one power being around 493 or lower..... what are they really doing on the HP side other than providing what the engine already has ?

Stock HP/TQ --- 493/516

Powerchips --- 487/536

Even the ones that go over 500hp.... seems like they get 24hp for free
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Old May 14, 2009 | 09:37 PM
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STOCK HP is 469 (AT CRANK NOT REAR WHEEL)
So with a 18% drive train loss STOCK RWHP will be 384

the tuners usually post RWHP
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Old May 14, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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So I watched a top gear that said we had about 500hp and I thought that was wrong as I had always read 469hp. So I searched mbworld and found a number of threads that say we have stock 493hp,

So are you saying that is incorrect and we really have 469 ?
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Old May 14, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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I believe most get around 400-420 rwhp on a stock E55 when using a dynojet.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bellevue_E55
So I watched a top gear that said we had about 500hp and I thought that was wrong as I had always read 469hp. So I searched mbworld and found a number of threads that say we have stock 493hp,

So are you saying that is incorrect and we really have 469 ?
I beleive MB reduced the actual HP rating on the E55's as a marketing tool for the SL.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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E has 469. First year of SL55 did too...they raised it to 493 due to price diff...aka marketing move.

about 400 at rear wheels...the auto box saps power but not as much as the Audis which have auto and AWD
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Old May 14, 2009 | 10:11 PM
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So does the later SL have extra 24hp just based on tune and maybe exhaust

mhh its interesting reading the old threads where veryone swore we had 493... which maps up with 420 at wheels on dynojet
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Old May 14, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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I buy the marketing part about the S/SL class. But isn't there something different about the Exhaust as well? Larger diameter?
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Old May 14, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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As mentioned, most stock E55s dyno at 400 - 420 rwhp as do all the 55ks. A solid stage 1 tune will get you almost 50rwhp. Best bang for the buck.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 01:10 AM
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As mentioned, most stock E55s dyno at 400 - 420 rwhp as do all the 55ks. A solid stage 1 tune will get you almost 50rwhp. Best bang for the buck.
Stage one meaning tune + 172/180 pulley?

That considered stage 1?
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Old May 15, 2009 | 01:22 AM
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Stage one meaning tune + 172/180 pulley?

That considered stage 1?
Yes. It is the best bang you can get. I would do that and then cooling and see what else you want.
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Originally Posted by AZIPOD
I buy the marketing part about the S/SL class. But isn't there something different about the Exhaust as well? Larger diameter?
My thinking is along these lines as well. The power numbers were reduced for marketing, as well as actually reduced by detuning procedures.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 01:34 AM
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Yes. It is the best bang you can get. I would do that and then cooling and see what else you want.
Do the heat exchangers fit on the SL55? k&n drop ins, tune + pulley, cm030, and a h/e and ur set. I know there are fitment issues on the CL with the h/e... anyone you know, or sees this has a h/e on their sl55?
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My thinking is along these lines as well. The power numbers were reduced for marketing, as well as actually reduced by detuning procedures.
No, we have had many 55ks dyno'd side by side and never a difference. Some of the 55ks have different exhaust configurations, but only removal of a resonator, etc. I don't know about any of them being 3" piping.

The C63 was detuned by not having the TB open at WOT but that was different.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jangy
No, we have had many 55ks dyno'd side by side and never a difference. Some of the 55ks have different exhaust configurations, but only removal of a resonator, etc. I don't know about any of them being 3" piping.

The C63 was detuned by not having the TB open at WOT but that was different.
Drivers side intake tube? Fins in front of the intake openings?

This one I don't know about but didn't E55's have different throttle bodies than other 55K's?

I'm just sayin I think there is some detuning goin on. I know the drivers side of my exhaust was terribly pinched. And didn't VRUS say that the torque limitations in the software was lower than other AMG's?
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Originally Posted by bassn_07
I believe most get around 400-420 rwhp on a stock E55 when using a dynojet.
Right, and this is all that counts and is very comparable to all the other S/C 55's
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Old May 15, 2009 | 09:36 AM
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Drivers side intake tube? Fins in front of the intake openings?

This one I don't know about but didn't E55's have different throttle bodies than other 55K's?

I'm just sayin I think there is some detuning goin on. I know the drivers side of my exhaust was terribly pinched. And didn't VRUS say that the torque limitations in the software was lower than other AMG's?
If there's detuning going on, then I guess the E makes MORE power at the engine than the others, given the same rear wheel hp...don't think so
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From what I understand the SL55 has more power due to the fact it has a larger throttle body stock from the factory, which gives it the additional 24 hp to the crank. The E55 has 469 hp and, it will put about 410 rwhp stock on a dynojet
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Originally Posted by ENTIZY1
From what I understand the SL55 has more power due to the fact it has a larger throttle body stock from the factory, which gives it the additional 24 hp to the crank. The E55 has 469 hp and, it will put about 410 rwhp stock on a dynojet
Umm, no. All 55K's are about the same. There are differences between models for sure, but they all make about the same power as Jangy stated. 410 RWHP is definitely NOT 469 crank HP, no MB drivetrain is that efficient. My '06 made 435 RWHP bone stock. It's obvious that equates to over 500 HP. SL's don't make more power than that stock.
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Originally Posted by InTheBenz0
Do the heat exchangers fit on the SL55? k&n drop ins, tune + pulley, cm030, and a h/e and ur set. I know there are fitment issues on the CL with the h/e... anyone you know, or sees this has a h/e on their sl55?
You mean like this?


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Old May 15, 2009 | 04:28 PM
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so clk55 is the same as E55? SL do have a larger throttle body, but on the dyno doesnt make much of a difference
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so clk55 is the same as E55? SL do have a larger throttle body, but on the dyno doesnt make much of a difference
No, the CLK55 has the same engine but is not supercharged.
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Umm, no. All 55K's are about the same. There are differences between models for sure, but they all make about the same power as Jangy stated. 410 RWHP is definitely NOT 469 crank HP, no MB drivetrain is that efficient. My '06 made 435 RWHP bone stock. It's obvious that equates to over 500 HP. SL's don't make more power than that stock.
+1, many have been dyno'd at well over 400 rwhp, and assuming 18% (although I thought it was closer to 20%) that's around 520 or so. They def. were under-rated as a marketing ploy, and I think the "big" 55k cars do make more than that even, based on the TB and a few other parts.
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