Tuning Software?
06-16-2009, 04:32 PM
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that's teh old school way. the chip no longer has to be removed. our ecy can be read out and flashed over using a laptop or a handheld programmer.
i do want to help you out blackbenzz. two europe based companies that i know of that may have what you are looking for are Optican and Alientech. Alientech does a lot of diesel cars but Optican can do it all. i do not know the current pricing. let me know if you have any luck
i do want to help you out blackbenzz. two europe based companies that i know of that may have what you are looking for are Optican and Alientech. Alientech does a lot of diesel cars but Optican can do it all. i do not know the current pricing. let me know if you have any luck
Thanks for clarifying prodigymb! I guess my memory is going with my age. 
I could have sworn it was respected member (don't wanna mention names) mentioning it. Oh well. If that's the case I will just shut up now. 
06-16-2009, 04:49 PM
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06-16-2009, 05:24 PM
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There has to be a way; otherwise LET, Renntech, Kleeman and others wouldn't be able to provide upgraded performance software flashes on ECUs; so a test mule was procured and parameter data collected, tweaked and the file stored ready to reflash onto clone ECUs...if you find out what the tuners are using to interface with the ECU then you'd need a test dyno to perform the tuning. I am going to try to get LET back in our area at some point when I have my mods on; we both know the hold up as of now...still waiting on word for the TB Y-pipe at this time no answer yet...gettin' kinda frustrated
06-16-2009, 05:40 PM
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There has to be a way; otherwise LET, Renntech, Kleeman and others wouldn't be able to provide upgraded performance software flashes on ECUs; so a test mule was procured and parameter data collected, tweaked and the file stored ready to reflash onto clone ECUs...if you find out what the tuners are using to interface with the ECU then you'd need a test dyno to perform the tuning. I am going to try to get LET back in our area at some point when I have my mods on; we both know the hold up as of now...still waiting on word for the TB Y-pipe at this time no answer yet...gettin' kinda frustrated
06-16-2009, 06:25 PM
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I personally am going to have LET custom dyno tune my car, I have their stage 1 flash so when all the other mods are on I will try to get them back in town to re-tune/dyno day on a load bearing eddy current dyno. BlackBenz may need his tune before that time though. Right now the bottle neck in my project is a y-pipe we are trying to source for the TB, this has nothing to do with the tuning or LET or otherwise; we may either have to fabricate something on our own or source it from somewhere...still waiting to hear back on this part.
06-16-2009, 06:56 PM
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Why not use the HKS mushroom filter and not even bother with the Y pipe?
06-16-2009, 06:58 PM
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I personally am going to have LET custom dyno tune my car, I have their stage 1 flash so when all the other mods are on I will try to get them back in town to re-tune/dyno day on a load bearing eddy current dyno. BlackBenz may need his tune before that time though. Right now the bottle neck in my project is a y-pipe we are trying to source for the TB, this has nothing to do with the tuning or LET or otherwise; we may either have to fabricate something on our own or source it from somewhere...still waiting to hear back on this part.
06-16-2009, 07:00 PM
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it needs to connect with the factory airbox or a supplemental cf airbox suited for the TB inlet diameter...
don't want to go off topic; didn't meant to stray off the tuning that blackbenz wanted to discuss...
don't want to go off topic; didn't meant to stray off the tuning that blackbenz wanted to discuss...
06-16-2009, 09:49 PM
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Which one are you all talking about? Does it just sit right off the TB? Wouldn't that draw hot air? I was hoping for some type of setup to use the vents just above or something. i already have the mouldings removed.
06-16-2009, 11:31 PM
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I would stay away from them. I used to have Minh at pitstop do a lot of work for me. He is waay expensive and overcharges like NO tomorrow! Trust me. After working with him for over 5 years on a previous project of mine he is NOT someone you want to do business with.
Unless you dont mind him wrecking your ride!(trust me...long story)
Unless you dont mind him wrecking your ride!(trust me...long story)
that's teh old school way. the chip no longer has to be removed. our ecy can be read out and flashed over using a laptop or a handheld programmer.
i do want to help you out blackbenzz. two europe based companies that i know of that may have what you are looking for are Optican and Alientech. Alientech does a lot of diesel cars but Optican can do it all. i do not know the current pricing. let me know if you have any luck
i do want to help you out blackbenzz. two europe based companies that i know of that may have what you are looking for are Optican and Alientech. Alientech does a lot of diesel cars but Optican can do it all. i do not know the current pricing. let me know if you have any luck
Thanks for the leads. I talked to Optican and they say they will build me a custom file but basically all they do is sell you a programmer to upload files that they provide. At least thats what they are telling me. They say I wont be able to tune as an end user
I do, I meant factory ECU
There has to be a way; otherwise LET, Renntech, Kleeman and others wouldn't be able to provide upgraded performance software flashes on ECUs; so a test mule was procured and parameter data collected, tweaked and the file stored ready to reflash onto clone ECUs...if you find out what the tuners are using to interface with the ECU then you'd need a test dyno to perform the tuning. I am going to try to get LET back in our area at some point when I have my mods on; we both know the hold up as of now...still waiting on word for the TB Y-pipe at this time no answer yet...gettin' kinda frustrated
06-17-2009, 10:15 AM
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looks like the 80mm TB Y-pipe will work according to Blackbenzz...we thought about having one fabbed up for us using Aluminum oval shaped piping from the stock airbox to the TB inlet which has an outer diameter of 90mm I believe (blackbenzz correct me if I'm wrong). The distance at the inlet also has to be shorter by 1/2" due to the adapter/spacer used at the Supercharger inlet.
06-17-2009, 10:40 AM
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Othe rpeople have said they used the 80mm y-pipe with their 82mm TB. I have not personally tested it since I don't have a 80mm y-pipe. Ideally you want everything before the 82mm TB to be bigger than 82mm
06-17-2009, 02:03 PM
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good point....I'd like to see the results on the fabbed Aluminum y-pipe for the 82mm TB; I don't have the Y-pipe for the 80mm either and don't know if it will be sold seperate from the rest of the kit. I'll need to find out. Plus we have to think about the spacer thickness that's there right now vs. that of (if any) on the 80mm kit.
06-17-2009, 02:07 PM
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06-17-2009, 04:09 PM
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good point....I'd like to see the results on the fabbed Aluminum y-pipe for the 82mm TB; I don't have the Y-pipe for the 80mm either and don't know if it will be sold seperate from the rest of the kit. I'll need to find out. Plus we have to think about the spacer thickness that's there right now vs. that of (if any) on the 80mm kit.
Motec M800 basic box is ~$4500. Then you have to get it wired in. It is one of, if not THE best standalone ECU's in the business. You pay extra for different options, it is insane what these things are capable of controlling.
06-17-2009, 08:33 PM
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Yes, if you remove that shield under the hood it should be able to draw in fresh air without all the restriction of the stock air boxes plus the y pipe. Which I think is dumb. Prodigy was going to try it on his car. Waiting to hear results.
06-17-2009, 09:17 PM
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looks like the 80mm TB Y-pipe will work according to Blackbenzz...we thought about having one fabbed up for us using Aluminum oval shaped piping from the stock airbox to the TB inlet which has an outer diameter of 90mm I believe (blackbenzz correct me if I'm wrong). The distance at the inlet also has to be shorter by 1/2" due to the adapter/spacer used at the Supercharger inlet.
06-21-2009, 11:16 AM
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I'm sure it isn't going to be cheap. Probably more cost effective to have one of their dealer/tuners tune your car. Besides, it's not the equipment that's important, it's the knowledge of how to use it effectively. I have been tuning LSX based cars for several years now with a wideband sensor and it takes a lot of work to learn how to use the software and tune VE tables, spark tables, etc. for driveability and max power and then get the power enrichment for WOT correct. You need a dyno for this part because you have to measure the effect of the changes you're making to optimize the results. When you add boost to the equation, it's more complicated because you're now dealing with MAP sensors that are made for more than standard atmospheric pressure.
Not saying you can't do it yourself, just be prepared for a long learning process. I started using FAST software and Holley Commander software years ago so I've been learning a long time. The basics for engine tuning are the same but you really have to know what you're doing or you can severely damage your engine.
I'm sure it isn't going to be cheap. Probably more cost effective to have one of their dealer/tuners tune your car. Besides, it's not the equipment that's important, it's the knowledge of how to use it effectively. I have been tuning LSX based cars for several years now with a wideband sensor and it takes a lot of work to learn how to use the software and tune VE tables, spark tables, etc. for driveability and max power and then get the power enrichment for WOT correct. You need a dyno for this part because you have to measure the effect of the changes you're making to optimize the results. When you add boost to the equation, it's more complicated because you're now dealing with MAP sensors that are made for more than standard atmospheric pressure.
Not saying you can't do it yourself, just be prepared for a long learning process. I started using FAST software and Holley Commander software years ago so I've been learning a long time. The basics for engine tuning are the same but you really have to know what you're doing or you can severely damage your engine.
06-21-2009, 01:18 PM
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http://www.optican.net/optican.htm
I'm sure it isn't going to be cheap. Probably more cost effective to have one of their dealer/tuners tune your car. Besides, it's not the equipment that's important, it's the knowledge of how to use it effectively. I have been tuning LSX based cars for several years now with a wideband sensor and it takes a lot of work to learn how to use the software and tune VE tables, spark tables, etc. for driveability and max power and then get the power enrichment for WOT correct. You need a dyno for this part because you have to measure the effect of the changes you're making to optimize the results. When you add boost to the equation, it's more complicated because you're now dealing with MAP sensors that are made for more than standard atmospheric pressure.
Not saying you can't do it yourself, just be prepared for a long learning process. I started using FAST software and Holley Commander software years ago so I've been learning a long time. The basics for engine tuning are the same but you really have to know what you're doing or you can severely damage your engine.
I'm sure it isn't going to be cheap. Probably more cost effective to have one of their dealer/tuners tune your car. Besides, it's not the equipment that's important, it's the knowledge of how to use it effectively. I have been tuning LSX based cars for several years now with a wideband sensor and it takes a lot of work to learn how to use the software and tune VE tables, spark tables, etc. for driveability and max power and then get the power enrichment for WOT correct. You need a dyno for this part because you have to measure the effect of the changes you're making to optimize the results. When you add boost to the equation, it's more complicated because you're now dealing with MAP sensors that are made for more than standard atmospheric pressure.
Not saying you can't do it yourself, just be prepared for a long learning process. I started using FAST software and Holley Commander software years ago so I've been learning a long time. The basics for engine tuning are the same but you really have to know what you're doing or you can severely damage your engine.
06-22-2009, 12:15 PM
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Some of the earlier 80mm kits had adapters welded on, wehereas the newer ones are just bigger inlets from the factory. If you use the y-pipe from a 80mm kit you dont have to worry about the adapter thickness since the hoses that connect from the y-pipe to the airboxes are flexible.
Motec M800 basic box is ~$4500. Then you have to get it wired in. It is one of, if not THE best standalone ECU's in the business. You pay extra for different options, it is insane what these things are capable of controlling.
Motec M800 basic box is ~$4500. Then you have to get it wired in. It is one of, if not THE best standalone ECU's in the business. You pay extra for different options, it is insane what these things are capable of controlling.
shooting for withing the next few weeks; still waiting on calls from the installers, doing TB, filters, spacers, cams at one shot but we still need to figure out H/E setup before a pulley upgrade.
06-22-2009, 01:05 PM
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blackbenzz looks like we may be able to get this underway soon, let me know if I need to get any OEM parts from the dealer or what not...thanks Hooley for the diagram.
shooting for withing the next few weeks; still waiting on calls from the installers, doing TB, filters, spacers, cams at one shot but we still need to figure out H/E setup before a pulley upgrade.
shooting for withing the next few weeks; still waiting on calls from the installers, doing TB, filters, spacers, cams at one shot but we still need to figure out H/E setup before a pulley upgrade.
06-22-2009, 01:57 PM
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Since everything was sitting at the CNC shop for over a month waiting for your go ahead I went ahead and made a kit for a fellow board member. I will be shipping it out to him either tonight or tomorrow depending on what time the CNCing and welding is done. Let me know when you are ready to do yours. If you want to avoid down time you will have to buy a new sc inlet
06-23-2009, 09:44 AM
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blackbenzz looks like we may be able to get this underway soon, let me know if I need to get any OEM parts from the dealer or what not...thanks Hooley for the diagram.
shooting for withing the next few weeks; still waiting on calls from the installers, doing TB, filters, spacers, cams at one shot but we still need to figure out H/E setup before a pulley upgrade.
shooting for withing the next few weeks; still waiting on calls from the installers, doing TB, filters, spacers, cams at one shot but we still need to figure out H/E setup before a pulley upgrade.
