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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 12:09 PM
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How long have you been running the "turbo melter map"? Do you have full supporting mods and use race gas?
There is no "melter map" really anymore, thats what all the races gas maps are with the new Beta Board. All my mods are listed in my signature. You can see my signature right? (just checking cause I just made it yesterday)
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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Nice, my friend has a GT2 RUF that is completely raced out, extremely close or if not a cup car as is. I have road in that car and realize how much of a drivers car a porsche can be, lol. the car rides like its on rails..... You mind if I ask what you do for a living? If you like you can PM me. I am really hoping I can afford a used GTR for my next car but this lease on the 335i isn't up for another 2 years.
I think I know about the guy with the GT2. Very badass.

And Vic, is the IS-F your girl's car or you just got it for the hell of it? lol. I test drove one and although I liked the way the auto tranny shifted and thought the V8 actually sounded pretty cool, the overly stiff suspension wasn't my cup of tea.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 12:21 PM
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I think I know about the guy with the GT2. Very badass..
It's my Friend Martin. The car is silver and he does a ton of autocross/road course racing on the east coast........
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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And Vic, is the IS-F your girl's car or you just got it for the hell of it? lol. I test drove one and although I liked the way the auto tranny shifted and thought the V8 actually sounded pretty cool, the overly stiff suspension wasn't my cup of tea.
Its the old ladies car... I actually like the suspension the best about the car and the exhaust note but it needs juice!!!!
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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Its the old ladies car... I actually like the suspension the best about the car and the exhaust note but it needs juice!!!!
Nah, it's a speed demon

The suspension was too stiff for me considering the type of car it was. I hit a few bumps and the thing was rock solid, which is great for performance, but I was getting out of a Z06 and didn't want a Lexus that hit harder than a 'Vette lol.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 02:06 PM
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Nah, it's a speed demon

The suspension was too stiff for me considering the type of car it was. I hit a few bumps and the thing was rock solid, which is great for performance, but I was getting out of a Z06 and didn't want a Lexus that hit harder than a 'Vette lol.
Bobby Im really thinking about a Z06 to replace the Shamu... whats the quick install go fast mods? Lowering?

Sorry about the OT.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
Bobby Im really thinking about a Z06 to replace the Shamu... whats the quick install go fast mods? Lowering?

Sorry about the OT.
You're the moderator bro haha

Basic bolt ons like intake, headers, exhaust, and tune will bring you close to the 500rwhp mark. It is easily capable of trapping high 120's/130mph with these mods.

You can stay naturally aspirated and give it a musclecar feel with camshaft and heads. Gives the car a little rumble and makes it a monster throughout the powerband. Real nasty. It's what I had and it's just completely badass, but not for everyone. Maybe too much. I made around 550rwhp and torque with a camshaft, headers, intake, and tune only.

Procharger has a nice kit for it. Should give you 600rwhp+ and can be adjusted on the dyno to whatever you really want it to be. I think around 650rwhp is the limit on these motors before you need the bottom end built. With a built motor, you can go with a higher boost supercharger, twin turbo, nitrous, whatever! 1000rwhp is more than possible.

The Z06 is VERY drivable and liveable. It is not as luxurious inside and the leather and fake cf may look a bit cheap, but it's not as bad as people make it seem. Especially for the brand new price of 60 somethin' tho.

It's basically a racecar refined enough for enjoyable and liveable street and daily use.

You gotta drive one bro. Raw power that just keeps pulling.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 02:28 PM
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Sorry to pollute this thread lol. Vic, here's a vid of my old Z in action out in Mexico against a car that traps 122mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0N_Y...eature=channel

It would have gotten worse if we could keep going but those damn Mexican truckers were in our way lol.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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That CLS needs to turn it's ESP off.

From a dig I'd have left 100ft of smoking tire tracks minimum.
I haven't seen ANY stock CLS55's do 120.9 mph Trap, hotrod182 335i is ONLY running the latest J3 beta race map/gas some weight reduction mods & drag whls/tires

PS...ESP off on a dig street race = burnout competition? why? would cls55 benefit in a drag race on the st street by turning off ESP lol...

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Thericker
I haven't seen ANY stock CLS55's do 120.9 mph Trap, hotrod182 335i is ONLY running the latest J3 beta race map/gas some weight reductin mods & drag whls/tires

PS...ESP off on a dig street race = burnout competition? why? would cls55 benefit in a drag race on the st street by turning off ESP lol...
I didn't say dyno mode ... I dunno about how your car works, but with mine turned off, it's a no brainer perfect launch.

Believe it or not ... most all perfect launches are a combination of BURNOUT and Traction. At least that's what years of drag racing taught me. I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Thericker
I haven't seen ANY stock CLS55's do 120.9 mph Trap, hotrod182 335i is ONLY running the latest J3 beta race map/gas some weight reduction mods & drag whls/tires

PS...ESP off on a dig street race = burnout competition? why? would cls55 benefit in a drag race on the st street by turning off ESP lol...
Hotrods car is a "factory freak". Just like a few 55k/63 cars are factory freaks.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JustPete
I didn't say dyno mode ... I dunno about how your car works, but with mine turned off, it's a no brainer perfect launch.

Believe it or not ... most all perfect launches are a combination of BURNOUT and Traction. At least that's what years of drag racing taught me. I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong.
Originally Posted by JustPete

That CLS needs to turn it's ESP off.

From a dig I'd have left 100ft of smoking tire tracks minimum
How does your description of 100' burnout on reg surface streets factor into
I dunno about how your car works, but with mine turned off, it's a no brainer perfect launch.
or 1/4 mi comparo?

Bro, were not talking about 1320' or burnout in waterbox. The race was done on the streets NOT talking about DynomodeAsk Bassan07/E55 if he runs w/ESP on or OFF when going dwn 1/4 he ran 11.2xx @128.1 ESP ON works best

AVG J3 only on 93 octane is running 111-113+mph traps @ 12.40

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lauer87
Hotrods car is a "factory freak". Just like a few 55k/63 cars are factory freaks.
I guess Hotrod182 knows how to pick'em he's on his 2nd 335i & trapping in 119 range
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 04:46 PM
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yo was that evo black with out a wing?
Yeah it was.
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huh you only saw at night time you gatta see how many cop out in the day.

i have 15% all around and i had 50% on my winshield blk on blk car i got pulled over 3 times a week for 1 month. then i got tired of getting pulled over so i took off the front winshield tint. i miss it

yo you like my boys c63 do. thats one hot car. he dont care 35% winshield. 15% all around all lights black including headlight and fogs now.
Goni C63 in white all blacked out like that looks sick.

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We need to group everyone up here and go do some friendly runs. It's nice to finally see a mature conversation over a friendly race, instead of everyone taking everything so personal............
I'm really hoping and looking forward to this happening. A early afternoon meet-up and then go out for some late night Hway runs.

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We used to have some nice mini-MBworld meets. We should set some stuff up again.

Brisk335, PM sent.
I would love to see your V in action man. Where in NY are you from?
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
My cousin just raced a CLS55 from a dig like 30 minz ago and he uploaded the video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Lumibrisk

Okay, is there any way to prove this was not a CLS500/550? The guy on the GTO board things it was a non AMG with a badge. Maybe experienced people on this board can tell by the sound of the engine?

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr...=324243&page=2

where is proof that is a cls55? It looks like a cls with wheels. Could be a 500 or a 550, both having less than 400hp... So many Benz owners fake it and throw Amg badges on non amg cars. I didn't see any signs of an amg package on that car

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Thericker
How does your description of 100' burnout on reg surface streets factor into or 1/4 mi comparo?

Bro, were not talking about 1320' or burnout in waterbox. The race was done on the streets NOT talking about DynomodeAsk Bassan07/E55 if he runs w/ESP on or OFF when going dwn 1/4 he ran 11.2xx @128.1 ESP ON works best

AVG J3 only on 93 octane is running 111-113+mph traps @ 12.40
Well Bro, you should go to the drag strip and let em know they're all doing it wrong.

With ESP on, my CLS is like driving a 6cylinder.

With it off , it rips down the road like it should with JUST enough wheel spin while still making great traction. With it in dyno mode, it's time for a burnout competition.

So I don't know about how the E's are set up , but I would bet my life on which would give a better trap time on my CLS and win easily. Hell the Nanny ESP even kicks in when it hits second gear, like you got stuck in the mud.

Maybe with the 030's, ECU is set up more differently than just the exclusion of the speed limiter.

Having said that ... that CLS driver gave an obviously lame attempt IMO.

Not saying the 335 isn't fast. I'm sure it's very fast. But that CLS driver was weak.

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 04:51 PM
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Okay, is there any way to prove this was not a CLS500/550? The guy on the GTO board things it was a non AMG with a badge. Maybe experienced people on this board can tell by the sound of the engine?
All I know is ... what a proper CLS launch should look and sound like ... and that wasn't it.

That 335 should have been immeadiately presented with a view of CLS55 AMG a$$ , if it's anything like mine because it launches with aplomb. 0-60 in 4.4s is easy and repeatable. (With ESP off ) and I believe 4.2-3 is possible.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JustPete
All I know is ... what a proper CLS launch should look and sound like ... and that wasn't it.

That 335 should have been immeadiately presented with a view of CLS55 AMG a$$ , if it's anything like mine because it launches with aplomb. 0-60 in 4.4s is easy and repeatable. (With ESP off ) and I believe 4.2-3 is possible.
I have a stock E55 which is more then comparable to the CLS55 and I have had my @ss handed to me from 2 335is. I was racing on a failing IC pump which I now updated but they are quicker then your giving them credit for. I ran 2 C63's and beat them so I know my 55 is 1000% healthy now. I know blackedout335 will have no problem running me again. Once he gets his car back from service and we get this meet. You will see that they are just that dam fast man.
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Originally Posted by JustPete
All I know is ... what a proper CLS launch should look and sound like ... and that wasn't it.

That 335 should have been immeadiately presented with a view of CLS55 AMG a$$ , if it's anything like mine because it launches with aplomb. 0-60 in 4.4s is easy and repeatable. (With ESP off ) and I believe 4.2-3 is possible.
Man your dreaming, compare the Traps/ET's from Dragtimes your CLS55 will be beatin' by up to 3 lengths/2-3mph or DEAD even @ best VS J3 race map 93 oct modded 335i. Reality chk time
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 05:01 PM
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Okay, is there any way to prove this was not a CLS500/550? The guy on the GTO board things it was a non AMG with a badge. Maybe experienced people on this board can tell by the sound of the engine?

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr...=324243&page=2

where is proof that is a cls55? It looks like a cls with wheels. Could be a 500 or a 550, both having less than 400hp... So many Benz owners fake it and throw Amg badges on non amg cars. I didn't see any signs of an amg package on that car
I can tell you first hand that was a AMG because I have driven the same exact 335i that is in that video because he's my cousin. I was in the car with him when he pulled on a e60 M5 from a low roll it was a short race but none the less it pulled. Not to mention monday night when I raced 2 C63s he and 1 of the C63's got a lil action and C63 wasn't getting away from it easily if not at all. So if that CLS was keeping up with the 335i Jb3 then it was def a AMG or it woulda got smoked.
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
I have a stock E55 which is more then comparable to the CLS55 and I have had my @ss handed to me from 2 335is. I was racing on a failing IC pump which I now updated but they are quicker then your giving them credit for. I ran 2 C63's and beat them so I know my 55 is 1000% healthy now. I know blackedout335 will have no problem running me again. Once he gets his car back from service and we get this meet. You will see that they are just that dam fast man.
+1 the E55 is FASTER ALL day long VS CLS55 the CLS55 is HEAVIER-SLOWER than w211 E55 w/similar options
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
I have a stock E55 which is more then comparable to the CLS55 and I have had my @ss handed to me from 2 335is. I was racing on a failing IC pump which I now updated but they are quicker then your giving them credit for. I ran 2 C63's and beat them so I know my 55 is 1000% healthy now. I know blackedout335 will have no problem running me again. Once he gets his car back from service and we get this meet. You will see that they are just that dam fast man.
I look forward to seeing you give him a proper race.
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+1 the E55 is FASTER ALL day long VS CLS55 the CLS55 is HEAVIER-SLOWER than w211 E55 w/similar options
What's the weight difference that makes them faster all day long?
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Originally Posted by Thericker
Man your dreaming, compare the Traps/ET's from Dragtimes your CLS55 will be beatin' by up to 3 lengths/2-3mph or DEAD even @ best VS J3 race map 93 oct modded 335i. Reality chk time
That's not what I said.
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Just to give you some food for thought. My car weighs in a little above 3700 lbs (with a little weight reduction on my car) and I am producing upwards of 420+whp and 420+wtq on the new race gas maps.............
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