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Why does there have to be such pointless bickering over dyno#s?
I agree with Alan. Does someone else's dyno numbers keep you up at night? I admit that I have been in heated discussions before but that's mostly because I state an opinion and people argue my opinion... that is healthy, though. I think you all know that I think autowave numbers are high but I would never let that "opinion" create such animosity (did I see physical violence threatened in this thread? Jesus...)
If anyone wants to have a civilized discussion about Autowave start another thread and maybe we can talk about it like respectful enthusiasts not 4th graders who were just let out for recess.
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I agree with Alan. Does someone else's dyno numbers keep you up at night? I admit that I have been in heated discussions before but that's mostly because I state an opinion and people argue my opinion... that is healthy, though. I think you all know that I think autowave numbers are high but I would never let that "opinion" create such animosity (did I see physical violence threatened in this thread? Jesus...)
If anyone wants to have a civilized discussion about Autowave start another thread and maybe we can talk about it like respectful enthusiasts not 4th graders who were just let out for recess.
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Maybe someone with more dyno experience can chime in on how the system works.
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I agree with you regarding the Autowave discussion. It would benefit everyone more productively to keep the discussion level-headed and informative. Autowave uses a dyno dynamics machine, which from my understanding, reads lower than most other non load-bearing dynos but differs from other load-bearing dynos, such as, Mustang dynos for example, in that it can not be modified ("easily" at least) to make numbers read higher or lower than what is measured. However, despite that fact, I've seen dyno dynamics vary almost as much as Mustang dynos and dynojets Maybe someone with more dyno experience can chime in on how the system works.
Maybe someone with more dyno experience can chime in on how the system works.
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Why does there have to be such pointless bickering over dyno#s?
I agree with Alan. Does someone else's dyno numbers keep you up at night? I admit that I have been in heated discussions before but that's mostly because I state an opinion and people argue my opinion... that is healthy, though. I think you all know that I think autowave numbers are high but I would never let that "opinion" create such animosity (did I see physical violence threatened in this thread? Jesus...)
If anyone wants to have a civilized discussion about Autowave start another thread and maybe we can talk about it like respectful enthusiasts not 4th graders who were just let out for recess.
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I agree with Alan. Does someone else's dyno numbers keep you up at night? I admit that I have been in heated discussions before but that's mostly because I state an opinion and people argue my opinion... that is healthy, though. I think you all know that I think autowave numbers are high but I would never let that "opinion" create such animosity (did I see physical violence threatened in this thread? Jesus...)
If anyone wants to have a civilized discussion about Autowave start another thread and maybe we can talk about it like respectful enthusiasts not 4th graders who were just let out for recess.
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Sticky was taunting me in several PM's phaggit this phaggit that F-U & worse etc.. A person can take only so much of this crap, I did PM him to meet up to take this crap offline & say it to my face who wouldn't
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Hey Sean, hopefully you guys can settle your differences at the dragstrip. Race for gift cards. Go until one of you runs out of cards. As for Autowave, I've heard enough good about them both here and on the phone since creating this thread, so I would say 11% increase or not, they seem like a top notch place. I'll be making some arrangements very soon. Thanks to all who responded, it was good to hear everyone's views.
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Hey Sean, hopefully you guys can settle your differences at the dragstrip. Race for gift cards. Go until one of you runs out of cards. As for Autowave, I've heard enough good about them both here and on the phone since creating this thread, so I would say 11% increase or not, they seem like a top notch place. I'll be making some arrangements very soon. Thanks to all who responded, it was good to hear everyone's views.
Sticky is what he is....Good luck w/tune both PC/AW are top-notch.
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Why does there have to be such pointless bickering over dyno#s?
I agree with Alan. Does someone else's dyno numbers keep you up at night? I admit that I have been in heated discussions before but that's mostly because I state an opinion and people argue my opinion... that is healthy, though. I think you all know that I think autowave numbers are high but I would never let that "opinion" create such animosity (did I see physical violence threatened in this thread? Jesus...)
If anyone wants to have a civilized discussion about Autowave start another thread and maybe we can talk about it like respectful enthusiasts not 4th graders who were just let out for recess.
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I agree with Alan. Does someone else's dyno numbers keep you up at night? I admit that I have been in heated discussions before but that's mostly because I state an opinion and people argue my opinion... that is healthy, though. I think you all know that I think autowave numbers are high but I would never let that "opinion" create such animosity (did I see physical violence threatened in this thread? Jesus...)
If anyone wants to have a civilized discussion about Autowave start another thread and maybe we can talk about it like respectful enthusiasts not 4th graders who were just let out for recess.
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. It's totally pointless and I find it funny that we (forum members) could have this same discussion over and over again. Do I think my dyno numbers are high...no, I think my track ET's back up every little bit of my dyno numbers. Is the dyno I used the lowest reading dyno out there, no, do I care...not really. Bottom line, AW is a great shop and it's a shame people want to make such a big deal about the way they factor their corrections.
Jeremy and Mike work very well as a team and I wouldn't trust anyone else to tune my car.
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Mike the owner/operator @ Autowave is very knowledgeable/helpful/honest car guy, my 1st questions to him were if his DynoDynamics had ANY corrections made to read higher/lower? his answer "It's set to read DynoDynamics #'s period, don't get your hopes up it is what it is" he also stated he has ZERO interest in fluffing-up #'s just concern yourself in gains under the curves pre-post tuning.
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PencilGeek, now I'm curious since you've seen the screen. Is the operator able to input percentages manually or are there presets? Like if I wanted to brag to my Supra cousin about my 600whp E55, can I ask them to input a 25% correction? I would never do that but was wondering how configurable it is.
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PencilGeek, now I'm curious since you've seen the screen. Is the operator able to input percentages manually or are there presets? Like if I wanted to brag to my Supra cousin about my 600whp E55, can I ask them to input a 25% correction? I would never do that but was wondering how configurable it is.
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PencilGeek, now I'm curious since you've seen the screen. Is the operator able to input percentages manually or are there presets? Like if I wanted to brag to my Supra cousin about my 600whp E55, can I ask them to input a 25% correction? I would never do that but was wondering how configurable it is.
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This makes perfect sense to me then, Vic. Thanks for the level-headed contribution. I hope this lets everyone "calm down" a bit regarding this issue. In the end, we've all seen how much dyno numbers can vary anyways, and even trap speeds (unfortunately for those who had to experience it). That's just part of racing and modding...
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This makes perfect sense to me then, Vic. Thanks for the level-headed contribution. I hope this lets everyone "calm down" a bit regarding this issue. In the end, we've all seen how much dyno numbers can vary anyways, and even trap speeds (unfortunately for those who had to experience it). That's just part of racing and modding...
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...that would be me!Many people have asked me if my car really traps 135 mph, of course not. I wish it did but it doesn't...plain and simple. I could now say this because there's enough info presented that let's me come to this conclusion. It's unfortunate Sac's trap speeds are 3-4 mph fast but does it really matter, not really. My main goal has always been to get into the 10's and I've achieved this...actually 13 times now
. We all just need to remember this is all for fun and not take it so seriously. IMO...this forum has really change a lot since I joined and it seems like we always fight amongst ourselves instead of helping each other go fast. +1 on that Vic. Paper racing is a for people who have no desire to race their cars and only assume what it might run.
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...that would be me!Many people have asked me if my car really traps 135 mph, of course not. I wish it did but it doesn't...plain and simple. I could now say this because there's enough info presented that let's me come to this conclusion. It's unfortunate Sac's trap speeds are 3-4 mph fast but does it really matter, not really. My main goal has always been to get into the 10's and I've achieved this...actually 13 times now
. We all just need to remember this is all for fun and not take it so seriously. IMO...this forum has really change a lot since I joined and it seems like we always fight amongst ourselves instead of helping each other go fast. +1 on that Vic. Paper racing is a for people who have no desire to race their cars and only assume what it might run.
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Alan I hope I didn't pour any salt into your wounds but I want to say I truly feel bad for what you've had to go through with your car and how ****ty I think it is to be dealt so many bad cars. At least your car hasn't blown up, knock on wood, but man I don't wish what happened to you on anyone. I'm glad you've been able to keep your chin up and laugh about it now. Bottom line is you have a wickedly fast E55 that can run with the best out there, there's no shame in that.
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.I honestly believe whatever people might think they would hope to be as quick and fast as my E55 has proved to be. I've done what many have tried to do for several years and still trying to do.
Please don't feel bad for me because of a inflated dyno numbers and trap speeds. I appreciate the kind words but I have no shame in my car at all. My car is one of strongest running E55's out there if not the strongest, at least that post here on MBW
. Thanks again Marcus.Just out of curiousity Marcus, why do you think I've gone through such a crappy ordeal? It's really not that bad unless there's something else you're thinking about.
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No worries Marcus. To tell the truth I really don't think anything bad has really happened. If you really think about it, I may have some dyno numbers that read like a dyno jet, not a big deal. As you know I've always backed my car up at the track regardless. Secondly, I have trap speeds that seem to be 3-4 mph higher then what they might be at another track, again not that big of a deal. That would most likely still put me around 128-131 mph at a different track with similar DA. Sacramento's ET's are dead on as many have proven already and that's all that really matters. Also my 60' times are the quickest out there for a E55 with a stock tranny and torque converter. I now have several 1.5's with a 1.585, (2) 1.587, 1.588, (2) 1.589, and (2) 1.592. There are several people that have higher stall converters that still haven't touched my 60' times .
I honestly believe whatever people might think they would hope to be as quick and fast as my E55 has proved to be. I've done what many have tried to do for several years and still trying to do.
Please don't feel bad for me because of a inflated dyno numbers and trap speeds. I appreciate the kind words but I have no shame in my car at all. My car is one of strongest running E55's out there if not the strongest, at least that post here on MBW. Thanks again Marcus.
Just out of curiousity Marcus, why do you think I've gone through such a crappy ordeal? It's really not that bad unless there's something else you're thinking about.
.I honestly believe whatever people might think they would hope to be as quick and fast as my E55 has proved to be. I've done what many have tried to do for several years and still trying to do.
Please don't feel bad for me because of a inflated dyno numbers and trap speeds. I appreciate the kind words but I have no shame in my car at all. My car is one of strongest running E55's out there if not the strongest, at least that post here on MBW
. Thanks again Marcus.Just out of curiousity Marcus, why do you think I've gone through such a crappy ordeal? It's really not that bad unless there's something else you're thinking about.
All I'm saying is it's not about getting a crappy deal or not, it's just that you've had to put up with a LOT of drama... more so than you should have, IMO...
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