JAY55

Group dyno, count me in.

MB_Forever

I agree with you regarding the Autowave discussion. It would benefit everyone more productively to keep the discussion level-headed and informative. Autowave uses a dyno dynamics machine, which from my understanding, reads lower than most other non load-bearing dynos but differs from other load-bearing dynos, such as, Mustang dynos for example, in that it can not be modified ("easily" at least) to make numbers read higher or lower than what is measured. However, despite that fact, I've seen dyno dynamics vary almost as much as Mustang dynos and dynojets Maybe someone with more dyno experience can chime in on how the system works.

Vic55

Mike is a great operator over at AW. Had my car done there and seen countless others. There is an 11% correction to the DD machine there as mentioned earlier to bring the dyno numbers closer to DJ.

Thericker

Sticky posted an EDITED Private Message from a few wks ago I DID NOT POST ANY THREATS IN THIS FORUM nor via PM, if you read the text of PM I was finally responding to ALL his crap.

Sticky was taunting me in several PM's phaggit this phaggit that F-U & worse etc.. A person can take only so much of this crap, I did PM him to meet up to take this crap offline & say it to my face who wouldn't

cahiil55k

Hey Sean, hopefully you guys can settle your differences at the dragstrip. Race for gift cards. Go until one of you runs out of cards. As for Autowave, I've heard enough good about them both here and on the phone since creating this thread, so I would say 11% increase or not, they seem like a top notch place. I'll be making some arrangements very soon. Thanks to all who responded, it was good to hear everyone's views.

Thericker

No worries bra Sticky is what he is....

Good luck w/tune both PC/AW are top-notch.

bassn_07

Exactly! Why worry about other peoples dyno number . It's totally pointless and I find it funny that we (forum members) could have this same discussion over and over again. Do I think my dyno numbers are high...no, I think my track ET's back up every little bit of my dyno numbers. Is the dyno I used the lowest reading dyno out there, no, do I care...not really.

Bottom line, AW is a great shop and it's a shame people want to make such a big deal about the way they factor their corrections.

There you go! Discussion ended.

Jeremy and Mike work very well as a team and I wouldn't trust anyone else to tune my car.

PencilGeek

On the other hand, Mike also told me personally that AutoWave employs an 11% correction factor on their dyno because customers demand it to read like a DynoJet. He even showed me the setup screen in the Dyno Dynamics software where the 11% was set. As further evidence, a car was recently dyno'd on Gintani's DD, and then on AutoWave. The same car dyno'd exactly 11% higher numbers on AutoWave's DD.

cahiil55k

PencilGeek, now I'm curious since you've seen the screen. Is the operator able to input percentages manually or are there presets? Like if I wanted to brag to my Supra cousin about my 600whp E55, can I ask them to input a 25% correction? I would never do that but was wondering how configurable it is.

blackbenzz

Yes, you can make a dyno basically read any number you want.


I challenge everybody to a paper race!!!! Each person describes the if/and/buts and whoever has the best explanation or better yet... most people that agree wins! If you can quote an article from a magazine its bonus points.

PencilGeek

There are no presets. You can enter any number you want.

Marcus Frost

This makes perfect sense to me then, Vic. Thanks for the level-headed contribution. I hope this lets everyone "calm down" a bit regarding this issue. In the end, we've all seen how much dyno numbers can vary anyways, and even trap speeds (unfortunately for those who had to experience it). That's just part of racing and modding...

-m

Vic55

No worries and Id still take the faster car on the street than on paper

Marcus Frost

+1000 on that my friend.

-m

bassn_07

...that would be me!

Many people have asked me if my car really traps 135 mph, of course not. I wish it did but it doesn't...plain and simple. I could now say this because there's enough info presented that let's me come to this conclusion. It's unfortunate Sac's trap speeds are 3-4 mph fast but does it really matter, not really. My main goal has always been to get into the 10's and I've achieved this...actually 13 times now . We all just need to remember this is all for fun and not take it so seriously. IMO...this forum has really change a lot since I joined and it seems like we always fight amongst ourselves instead of helping each other go fast.

+1 on that Vic. Paper racing is a for people who have no desire to race their cars and only assume what it might run.

Marcus Frost

Alan I hope I didn't pour any salt into your wounds but I want to say I truly feel bad for what you've had to go through with your car and how ****ty I think it is to be dealt so many bad cars. At least your car hasn't blown up, knock on wood, but man I don't wish what happened to you on anyone. I'm glad you've been able to keep your chin up and laugh about it now. Bottom line is you have a wickedly fast E55 that can run with the best out there, there's no shame in that.

-m

fortlaudsummer

mbworld fight club anyone?

bassn_07

No worries Marcus. To tell the truth I really don't think anything bad has really happened. If you really think about it, I may have some dyno numbers that read like a dyno jet, not a big deal. As you know I've always backed my car up at the track regardless. Secondly, I have trap speeds that seem to be 3-4 mph higher then what they might be at another track, again not that big of a deal. That would most likely still put me around 128-131 mph at a different track with similar DA. Sacramento's ET's are dead on as many have proven already and that's all that really matters. Also my 60' times are the quickest out there for a E55 with a stock tranny and torque converter. I now have several 1.5's with a 1.585, (2) 1.587, 1.588, (2) 1.589, and (2) 1.592. There are several people that have higher stall converters that still haven't touched my 60' times .

I honestly believe whatever people might think they would hope to be as quick and fast as my E55 has proved to be. I've done what many have tried to do for several years and still trying to do.

Please don't feel bad for me because of a inflated dyno numbers and trap speeds. I appreciate the kind words but I have no shame in my car at all. My car is one of strongest running E55's out there if not the strongest, at least that post here on MBW . Thanks again Marcus.

Just out of curiousity Marcus, why do you think I've gone through such a crappy ordeal? It's really not that bad unless there's something else you're thinking about.

Marcus Frost

I don't think you got a crappy deal at all Alan, I just think trying to gather data from what are supposed to be reputable sources (dragstrips and to a lesser extent, dynos) has been proven to be somewhat problematic for you, that's all. I have never known anyone to have to go under the intense drama/scrutiny you've had to with the data you've produced. I mean in the end fortunately the ETs from SAC are reliable, but to have people say "goto the track" - then to go - and then have at least some of those #s still wind up to have been "problematic" is a frustrating situation. In the era of the keyboard cowboys on the internet the mudslinging fest you've had to go through is just unfortunate.

All I'm saying is it's not about getting a crappy deal or not, it's just that you've had to put up with a LOT of drama... more so than you should have, IMO...

-m

Vic55

All is fixed here, Marcus and Alan you guys can talk via PM. Time to close.