Transform the air matic to the air suspension
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Duckyamg,
Is that a direct bolt on kit w/ no modification needed? Fully adjustable? Did you use you factory air management system? (ie, Oem compressor, tank, valves, line)
Is that a direct bolt on kit w/ no modification needed? Fully adjustable? Did you use you factory air management system? (ie, Oem compressor, tank, valves, line)
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I don't currently have an E55, but I'm looking at acquiring one in the next 6 months and piecing together my own air setup. Will it be on 24's? Most certainly not, will it be more functional then The Godfather's car? Most definitely. Will it have the same if not better performance? From my experience, most probably yes. Air ride allows you to ride low in the straights and for "show," but raise the suspension for increased handling and functionality.
Don't get me wrong, I loved his car and love the lowered look, but it's not functional for daily driving, potholes, speed bumps and steep inclines.
With a proper setup it will also be "better" in the sense that it will be more reliable and easier (read: cheaper) to fix in the event of a failure.
I know I am in the minority here, but "to each his own."
#78
There are several managment options, but I know of a few people that have supplanted the Audi Allroad system with their own custom air ride ride and maintained the factory ride controls.
I prefer an aftermarket option that allows you to store several ride options, but allows you to independently control each corner.
Or an even more advanced option in accuair that uses levels per corner to insure a leveled height.
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You do realise we have adjustable suspension already including a raise button to get over things.
Oh and swanning in here when you dont even own a E55 and saying your car is going to be better in ever way to one of the hottest E55's that has been on here...well maybe you should stick to driving slow BMW's..
Oh and swanning in here when you dont even own a E55 and saying your car is going to be better in ever way to one of the hottest E55's that has been on here...well maybe you should stick to driving slow BMW's..
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I'm curious as to how an aftermarket like this will be necessarily more reliable than current OEM. Especially with what looks like a more complex system multiple pumps, relays, valves, remote adjustment, etc., and coming from various vendors.
The next question would be how performance oriented is this? i.e., if you want the handling of the optional P030 performance package. The AMG P030 air system is tuned for better rebound and compression for the track, etc.. The majority of AMG owners are after performance, I'm assuming.
fwiw, Arnott's rebuilt OEM AMG air struts are built with Goodyear bladders which they claim allow for their lifetime warranty. So there may be better component quality with those, as least with the rubber parts.
With MB it seems to be potential bladder and/or line leakage. The relay and pump can burn out only if there's a leak. No leak and no problem. Relatively reliable, but just expensive. That expense seems to be the bigger problem.
The next question would be how performance oriented is this? i.e., if you want the handling of the optional P030 performance package. The AMG P030 air system is tuned for better rebound and compression for the track, etc.. The majority of AMG owners are after performance, I'm assuming.
fwiw, Arnott's rebuilt OEM AMG air struts are built with Goodyear bladders which they claim allow for their lifetime warranty. So there may be better component quality with those, as least with the rubber parts.
With MB it seems to be potential bladder and/or line leakage. The relay and pump can burn out only if there's a leak. No leak and no problem. Relatively reliable, but just expensive. That expense seems to be the bigger problem.
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I'll stick to the German's then..
Keep in mind, many of these have shortened struts designed to ride low, unlike a car that is wearing a factory strut. The bags generally have 5-6" of travel.
My buddies passat
Keep in mind, many of these have shortened struts designed to ride low, unlike a car that is wearing a factory strut. The bags generally have 5-6" of travel.
My buddies passat
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I'm curious as to how an aftermarket like this will be necessarily more reliable than current OEM. Especially with what looks like a more complex system multiple pumps, relays, valves, remote adjustment, etc., and coming from various vendors.
With MB it seems to be potential bladder and/or line leakage. The relay and pump can burn out only if there's a leak. No leak and no problem. Relatively reliable, but just expensive. That expense seems to be the bigger problem.
With MB it seems to be potential bladder and/or line leakage. The relay and pump can burn out only if there's a leak. No leak and no problem. Relatively reliable, but just expensive. That expense seems to be the bigger problem.
What I am comparing with regard to performance is aftermarket air ride vs. the stock airmatic or aftermarket coilover system.
What I am curious here is as others had expressed. Warning lights etc with replacing the air-matic system. I sent a PM to the OP inquiring on the setup, management. I prefer a 5-7 gallon tank with 2x VIAIR 400C or 480C compressors.
The next question would be how performance oriented is this? i.e., if you want the handling of the optional P030 performance package. The AMG P030 air system is tuned for better rebound and compression for the track, etc.. The majority of AMG owners are after performance, I'm assuming.
fwiw, Arnott's rebuilt OEM AMG air struts are built with Goodyear bladders which they claim allow for their lifetime warranty. So there may be better component quality with those, as least with the rubber parts.
fwiw, Arnott's rebuilt OEM AMG air struts are built with Goodyear bladders which they claim allow for their lifetime warranty. So there may be better component quality with those, as least with the rubber parts.
I never get why people conform to higher post count masses and go along with what they approve of..(ie. Sheep-status) My guess is because most of them are pocket tuners that pay a shop to handle 100% of their upgrades... Or simply change their wheels and do a few bolt-ons and think they have clout to spread their disinformation across a forum full of "enthusiasts."
I'm just questioning, why not.
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to me your ideas sound like a **** in the wind, as I mean doing something that is a complete waste of effort and time for which you can expect no results and may even backfire on you. BTW, I love that Green Mercedes that you just posted, but I don't know why it is hydraulic related, I am sure it would look the same with good coil-over suspension set-up.
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to me your ideas sound like a **** in the wind, as I mean doing something that is a complete waste of effort and time for which you can expect no results and may even backfire on you. BTW, I love that Green Mercedes that you just posted, but I don't know why it is hydraulic related, I am sure it would look the same with good coil-over suspension set-up.
I'd love to hear how something that offers more functionality is a waste of effort/ time.
Hydraulic related? Please do not confuse "hydraulics" with "air suspension." Thanks.
Could you achieve that "look" with coil-overs? Maybe, will it ride as good or be functional? NO!
Here is another similar Benz from Canada.
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Looks like our buddy Godfather was hunting the same trail..
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-w211-55s.html
While I'm not considering the airlift systems (lamborghini/ audi) the idea of using a Pss9 or other viable adjustable coilover is extremely on point. You can lift the car to the proper height giving full articulation of the strut and matching the dynamic spring rate of a paired air spring.
Although the airlift system isn't a bad option either.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-w211-55s.html
While I'm not considering the airlift systems (lamborghini/ audi) the idea of using a Pss9 or other viable adjustable coilover is extremely on point. You can lift the car to the proper height giving full articulation of the strut and matching the dynamic spring rate of a paired air spring.
Although the airlift system isn't a bad option either.
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lmao, Im gay because I think your "buddy's" horrible Passat is an abomination and should be crushed? Wow man youve got some serious homophobia issues going on thar. Hey have you seen American Beauty -
that guy Col Frank Fitts, :
yeah thats you
(Hope your buddy dont look like Kevin Spacey )
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Not a fan, sorry.
This "air suspension" slammed look reminds me WAY TOO MUCH of the morons who tuck their ears into an oversized flat-bill baseball cap, as though that doesn't look completely, utterly retarded. It's embarrassing for the person.
This "air suspension" slammed look reminds me WAY TOO MUCH of the morons who tuck their ears into an oversized flat-bill baseball cap, as though that doesn't look completely, utterly retarded. It's embarrassing for the person.
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The wheels camber in as the car lowers, so they wont look as recessed at the normal "ride" height. The problem is, if you space them out or buy lower et wheels to sit more "flush." Then they'll poke or rub at ride height.
You CAN set the air suspension, especially with a bag over coilover option so that when it airs out, it will sit at any height you want.
The UVAIR Aero Sport bag collapses to 4" without being modified. So fully aired out, if there is still suspension travel it will act as if you are riding on bump stops.
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Some of you all need to pull your head out of your asses and either contribute or STFU. Zero options for suspension and somebody offers something and we beat him down because we don't like the super slammed look or wheels on a passat? Get real.
Ducky,
Can you valve the air bladders such that you can adjust the performance aspects? Kinda like valving a tradtional shock. Perhaps it's all in the pressure inside the bladder? How much control would you have over that?
Ducky,
Can you valve the air bladders such that you can adjust the performance aspects? Kinda like valving a tradtional shock. Perhaps it's all in the pressure inside the bladder? How much control would you have over that?
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Some of you all need to pull your head out of your asses and either contribute or STFU. Zero options for suspension and somebody offers something and we beat him down because we don't like the super slammed look or wheels on a passat? Get real.
Ducky,
Can you valve the air bladders such that you can adjust the performance aspects? Kinda like valving a tradtional shock. Perhaps it's all in the pressure inside the bladder? How much control would you have over that?
Ducky,
Can you valve the air bladders such that you can adjust the performance aspects? Kinda like valving a tradtional shock. Perhaps it's all in the pressure inside the bladder? How much control would you have over that?
The "bag" acts just like a coiled spring. I am trying to find the PSI to spring rate chart, but you can calculate the spring rate and match the dampening accordingly.
As such, you would want to look at some electronically adjustable shocks, but I really think that's over kill. I think this is what you were thinking more of?? I've had both Koni adjustable and Bilstein and have had good luck with both. The bilstein sport shocks have internal bumpstops, but they tend to be softer then the stiffest Koni setting. The convenience here is they are relatively cheap.
I'm really hoping to make this happen. With any luck, I'll have the winter to have the car apart and look through some different options/ fitment. I am just trying to figure out if it's possible to override the stock system warnings. Unless it's a quick fix, then it really isn't worth the hassle. Maybe I'll talk to a mechanic with STAR.
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Ducky
Here is some real basic AirMatic Information, It is a pretty good read and will give you an idea of the depth of engineering involved. By far the largest complaint is a blown strut that can be fixed for $399. The vast majority here have warranties that cover repairs.
BTW AirMatic controls the Headlights too, the electronic side is way more than a warning light.
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...2007-31-02.pdf
Here is some real basic AirMatic Information, It is a pretty good read and will give you an idea of the depth of engineering involved. By far the largest complaint is a blown strut that can be fixed for $399. The vast majority here have warranties that cover repairs.
BTW AirMatic controls the Headlights too, the electronic side is way more than a warning light.
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...2007-31-02.pdf