W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

brake question..

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 03:45 PM
  #1  
55wagon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Photogenic
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 442
Likes: 2
From: bay area
05 E55t, 07 R63, 04 Mini R53 (SOLD):01 s4 avant st3, 06 q7
brake question..

what do I have to do to keep my brake from overheating on a road course.
In a 5 session day. after the 3rd session the brake overheat warning light stays on. and I have to drive around the padock like a idiot for 15 min after each session.

I have stock rotor and amg brakes. Porterfield RS4 pad.
I know Evotech rotor might help..
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 05:31 PM
  #2  
bbearden's Avatar
Super Member
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 626
Likes: 3
From: Los Angeles, CA
'03 E55 (My Daily), '01 ML 320 (Wifey), Twin Turbo '69 Camaro (In Progess)
Originally Posted by 55wagon
what do I have to do to keep my brake from overheating on a road course.
In a 5 session day. after the 3rd session the brake overheat warning light stays on. and I have to drive around the padock like a idiot for 15 min after each session.

I have stock rotor and amg brakes. Porterfield RS4 pad.
I know Evotech rotor might help..
You've got great pads, the only thing I could think of would be the upgraded rotors as they're lighter (not an integrated hat and rotor design) and should dissipate heat quicker.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 05:39 PM
  #3  
jcjmw's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,719
Likes: 12
From: West
2005 E55 Wagon
Originally Posted by 55wagon
what do I have to do to keep my brake from overheating on a road course.
In a 5 session day. after the 3rd session the brake overheat warning light stays on. and I have to drive around the padock like a idiot for 15 min after each session.

I have stock rotor and amg brakes. Porterfield RS4 pad.
I know Evotech rotor might help..
You take your wagon to road courses!!! You are my hero!!!
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 06:43 PM
  #4  
MARK CUMMINS's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,861
Likes: 3
From: Jacksonville Florida
209/W210 Estate /W211 modded by MBENZNL
Has the Brake fluid/system been flushed ?

With old fluid the boiling point will be lower than fresh fluid
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 07:20 PM
  #5  
55wagon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Photogenic
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 442
Likes: 2
From: bay area
05 E55t, 07 R63, 04 Mini R53 (SOLD):01 s4 avant st3, 06 q7
Originally Posted by jcjmw
You take your wagon to road courses!!! You are my hero!!!
hell yea.. It kick ***. well, I am in group A...
I think it handles really well. it was corner balance.. 51f/49r 50/50 side to side.

behind me is my friend's yellow 996. the funny part was after the session. they came up to me with instructor saying "F$#k, we were trying really hard to keep up with you" and he was CHP cadet.

BTW.. also pass a 997 GT3 RS..... It was a new car, first time tracker.....
Attached Thumbnails brake question..-mercwagon.jpg  

Last edited by 55wagon; Mar 19, 2010 at 07:28 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 07:22 PM
  #6  
55wagon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Photogenic
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 442
Likes: 2
From: bay area
05 E55t, 07 R63, 04 Mini R53 (SOLD):01 s4 avant st3, 06 q7
Originally Posted by MARK CUMMINS
Has the Brake fluid/system been flushed ?

With old fluid the boiling point will be lower than fresh fluid
yup it was flush with motul dot 5 brake fluid..
BTW the motul race oil, is smooth... but so $$$.

it is the stupid benz sensor.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 08:52 PM
  #7  
jcjmw's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,719
Likes: 12
From: West
2005 E55 Wagon
Originally Posted by 55wagon
hell yea.. It kick ***. well, I am in group A...
I think it handles really well. it was corner balance.. 51f/49r 50/50 side to side.

behind me is my friend's yellow 996. the funny part was after the session. they came up to me with instructor saying "F$#k, we were trying really hard to keep up with you" and he was CHP cadet.

BTW.. also pass a 997 GT3 RS..... It was a new car, first time tracker.....
THAT IS JUST AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by 55wagon
yup it was flush with motul dot 5 brake fluid..
BTW the motul race oil, is smooth... but so $$$.
it is the stupid benz sensor.
Can explain further about the sensor? You mean the sensor was broke and you were really not overheating the brakes?
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 09:06 PM
  #8  
Karlson's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,555
Likes: 2
From: Fairfax,VA
06 E55
Originally Posted by jcjmw
THAT IS JUST AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!



Can explain further about the sensor? You mean the sensor was broke and you were really not overheating the brakes?
The R4S also does not have provisions for brake sensor or backing plates (although you can transfer the backing plates from your stock pads over). Probably it got lose.

To OP: Are RS4 really little noisy when cold? I am planning to get new pads, but can't decide what do I want.
Reply
MB World Stories

The Best of Mercedes & AMG

story-0

Six Gift Ideas Your AMG Loving Dad or Grad Will Cherish

 
story-1

7 Craziest Things AMG Gas Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

New Electric Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupe Unveiled: 10 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 09:14 PM
  #9  
motorkas's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,431
Likes: 2
From: Maryland
a Rivera...via a Custom 24, Strat and Les Paul
hell yea.. It kick ***. well, I am in group A...
I think it handles really well. it was corner balance.. 51f/49r 50/50 side to side.

behind me is my friend's yellow 996. the funny part was after the session. they came up to me with instructor saying "F$#k, we were trying really hard to keep up with you" and he was CHP cadet.

BTW.. also pass a 997 GT3 RS..... It was a new car, first time tracker.....
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 09:43 PM
  #10  
Mikesamg's Avatar
Super Member
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: San Ramon, CA
A Prius because I'm green
I took just my regular E55 to Thunderhill and everyone kept asking what else I had in the garage if this is what I was using as a track car haha. Some Subaru guy came up and said man you came around turn one, I saw a puff of smoke and you were gone! My stock brakes had no sign of fade but they were burning my hand when I would check the tire pressure between sessions if I wasn't fast at checking it. What track did you take the wagon too? Did you have a baby on board sign hanging in the rear window?
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 09:46 PM
  #11  
e1000's Avatar
Out Of Control!!
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 18,677
Likes: 9
From: OC
a quarter mile at a time
I wonder how the overheating sensor works. 2-piece floating rotors will perform better, but only from the perspective of that they are lighter. I think the biggest problem you're running into is just the sheer weight of the car itself. At around 500 lbs over the sedan, that's a lot of weight for the brakes to stop. My suggestion would be to explore some form of brake ducting. Routing some ducting into the wheel well area right onto the caliper would probably go a long way to keeping your brakes in acceptable operating temperatures.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 11:18 PM
  #12  
lidas's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
From: Sweden
2009 SL 65 AMG
Do some trackdriving with my wagon to and have exactly the same problem.
Tryied new oil and ceramic pads but still the same problem. So next step will be 2-piece rotors. but i think it's like "e1000" said we have the weight against us.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 11:35 PM
  #13  
tgoss's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,771
Likes: 0
From: San Diego, CA
'13 GT-R AMS Alpha 9+, CLA45, E55
Evosport rotors seem like they would help out.

Your wagon rules
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2010 | 11:44 PM
  #14  
jcjmw's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,719
Likes: 12
From: West
2005 E55 Wagon
Originally Posted by lidas
Do some trackdriving with my wagon to and have exactly the same problem.
Tryied new oil and ceramic pads but still the same problem. So next step will be 2-piece rotors. but i think it's like "e1000" said we have the weight against us.
Holy smokes, am I the only wagon that is not track driving? I am starting to think that if you own a E55 wagon you must road course / track drive!
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:52 AM
  #15  
55wagon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Photogenic
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 442
Likes: 2
From: bay area
05 E55t, 07 R63, 04 Mini R53 (SOLD):01 s4 avant st3, 06 q7
Originally Posted by Mikesamg
I took just my regular E55 to Thunderhill and everyone kept asking what else I had in the garage if this is what I was using as a track car haha. Some Subaru guy came up and said man you came around turn one, I saw a puff of smoke and you were gone! My stock brakes had no sign of fade but they were burning my hand when I would check the tire pressure between sessions if I wasn't fast at checking it. What track did you take the wagon too? Did you have a baby on board sign hanging in the rear window?

I was at thunderhill..... how fast did you hit in the front straightaway... I hit 135mph...
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:54 AM
  #16  
55wagon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Photogenic
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 442
Likes: 2
From: bay area
05 E55t, 07 R63, 04 Mini R53 (SOLD):01 s4 avant st3, 06 q7
Originally Posted by jcjmw
Holy smokes, am I the only wagon that is not track driving? I am starting to think that if you own a E55 wagon you must road course / track drive!
DO IT...............................
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2010 | 10:57 AM
  #17  
55wagon's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Photogenic
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 442
Likes: 2
From: bay area
05 E55t, 07 R63, 04 Mini R53 (SOLD):01 s4 avant st3, 06 q7
Originally Posted by lidas
Do some trackdriving with my wagon to and have exactly the same problem.
Tryied new oil and ceramic pads but still the same problem. So next step will be 2-piece rotors. but i think it's like "e1000" said we have the weight against us.


I think so..

I will have no weight problem anymore.... brought myself a mini copper S. dieting at 2378 pounds. w/ full tank gas.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2010 | 12:35 PM
  #18  
Mikesamg's Avatar
Super Member
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: San Ramon, CA
A Prius because I'm green
Originally Posted by 55wagon
I was at thunderhill..... how fast did you hit in the front straightaway... I hit 135mph...
About that, they had us going in reverse which slowed me down. Still I was surprised how great she came out of the corner, I wasn't worried about her kicking out at all. I was beating a Dinan M5 though haha!
Reply

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:08 PM.

story-0
Six Gift Ideas Your AMG Loving Dad or Grad Will Cherish

Slideshow: Six gift ideas your AMG loving dad or grad will cherish.

By | 2026-06-03 17:26:18


VIEW MORE
story-1
7 Craziest Things AMG Gas Ever Built

Slideshow: Sometimes AMG builds fast sedans. Other times, it builds twin-turbo V12 land missiles and six-wheeled off-road monsters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 17:59:58


VIEW MORE
story-2
New Electric Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupe Unveiled: 10 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes-AMG's new electric GT 4-Door Coupe trades combustion for software, synthetic noise, and more than 1,100 horsepower.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-20 20:08:15


VIEW MORE
story-3
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

Slideshow: Not every Mercedes design becomes timeless, some feel stuck in the era they came from.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:09:07


VIEW MORE
story-4
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

Slideshow: Yes, Mercedes built manual cars, and some of them are far more interesting than you'd expect.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-02 12:36:58


VIEW MORE
story-5
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 11:19:28


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Before curves took over, Mercedes mastered the art of the straight line, and some of those shapes still look right today.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-25 12:05:49


VIEW MORE
story-7
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

Slideshow: The 190E Evolution II shows how a homologation necessity became a six-figure collector icon.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:53:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes is turning one of its core nameplates electric, and the details show just how serious this shift is.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:58:06


VIEW MORE
story-9
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

Slideshow: Faster charging, longer range, and a controversial steer-by-wire system define the latest evolution of Mercedes-Benz EQS.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-15 10:35:34


VIEW MORE