Money no object, who do you have tune your E55?
03-24-2010, 10:09 PM
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You do know that RENNTech and Kleemann also provide dyno tuning at their facilities, correct? If you can afford it, you can even have them fly out to you and tune your car. I was trying to put together a group here in Chicago a while back to have Cory from Kleemann fly out here to tune some of our cars but it fizzled out.
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Powerchip has too much turnover lately and their relationships with some leading tuners has fizzled. Their best programmer left and the west coast rep was also sent packing.
I would put my faith in Renntech as they are the most reliable and stable tuner out there today based on what I heard. They recently added some top tier talent to their team.
I heard that the best MB tuner in the world is an independent guy in Dubai but he's not going to be dyno/road tuning any cars here in the States.
I'm sure Brabus are great tuners but they pretty much stick to their own custom built cars or stock cars but not modded cars with a mix of different brands like many of us here do. I inquired into them doing a custom tune for me and they told me pretty much the same thing.
The other guys either buy the base program from the few genius tuners and tweak the fuel and timing to suit the customer.
Some others get a hold of the MB file interpreter and take a trial-and-error approach to tweaking the stock or a competitor's program.
This is only what I heard from many big name tuners as well as a few small independent tuners who I have bought products/services from or are considering them.
Another great option would be to utilze a signal conditioner device/piggy-back software like the AEM FIC which allows the ECU to control all of vital functions EXCEPT for fuel and ignition/timing. This will allow you to wean yourself from any dependency on any specific programmer or company. You can find AEM programmers anywhere as opposed to a good MB custom tuner who can program at part throttle and on the road too.
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03-25-2010, 07:16 AM
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This is an easy one for me. Eurocharged! end of statement.
I trusted them on my S600, and I will be using them for all of my other toys. GREAT results, GREAT people, what else is there to say.
ALL tuners do just about the same thing gentlemen. This is NO magic tune by Kleenman, Renntech, or any other tuners. Aka they adjust timing, fuel, torque management, etc. That is ALL ANY tuner can do. So again, It is and always will be Eurocharged for me
I trusted them on my S600, and I will be using them for all of my other toys. GREAT results, GREAT people, what else is there to say.
ALL tuners do just about the same thing gentlemen. This is NO magic tune by Kleenman, Renntech, or any other tuners. Aka they adjust timing, fuel, torque management, etc. That is ALL ANY tuner can do. So again, It is and always will be Eurocharged for me
03-25-2010, 01:03 PM
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This is an easy one for me. Eurocharged! end of statement.
I trusted them on my S600, and I will be using them for all of my other toys. GREAT results, GREAT people, what else is there to say.
ALL tuners do just about the same thing gentlemen. This is NO magic tune by Kleenman, Renntech, or any other tuners. Aka they adjust timing, fuel, torque management, etc. That is ALL ANY tuner can do. So again, It is and always will be Eurocharged for me
I trusted them on my S600, and I will be using them for all of my other toys. GREAT results, GREAT people, what else is there to say.
ALL tuners do just about the same thing gentlemen. This is NO magic tune by Kleenman, Renntech, or any other tuners. Aka they adjust timing, fuel, torque management, etc. That is ALL ANY tuner can do. So again, It is and always will be Eurocharged for me
http://www.theautoaddiction.com
In the NYC area, these guys have good reputation !!!
03-25-2010, 02:17 PM
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I'm with hammer_down. If money wasn't a big concern I'd take it over to Underground Racing and let them work their magic. Of course that involves more then just a simple tune but still, they seem to do terrific work.
03-25-2010, 04:48 PM
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03-25-2010, 05:19 PM
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That is IF you want a twin turbo 30+K E55.
But let's get real. That is NOT what the OP had in mind. I could be wrong here, but to the best of my knowledge, NO ONE has sent an AMG to them as of yet
Let us all come back to the real world, and pick a real world tuner.
PS: YES I love what underground racing has done to several Lambo's
03-26-2010, 12:51 AM
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Guys I agree 100%
That is IF you want a twin turbo 30+K E55.
But let's get real. That is NOT what the OP had in mind. I could be wrong here, but to the best of my knowledge, NO ONE has sent an AMG to them as of yet
Let us all come back to the real world, and pick a real world tuner.
PS: YES I love what underground racing has done to several Lambo's
That is IF you want a twin turbo 30+K E55.
But let's get real. That is NOT what the OP had in mind. I could be wrong here, but to the best of my knowledge, NO ONE has sent an AMG to them as of yet
Let us all come back to the real world, and pick a real world tuner.
PS: YES I love what underground racing has done to several Lambo's
Has anyone ever heard of RDP Motorsports? They produced an E55 with 569wrhp and yes I know that dyno #'s dont mean squat!
03-26-2010, 01:51 AM
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03-26-2010, 07:55 AM
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Oh please
Do you really think that ANY of them hold the Holy Grail of tunes?
Yes there are slight difference between tunes, aka dyno numbers. But again this is all in how far they go with their settings, aka 20 degree vs 21, etc, etc.
I picked EC because they listen to what I wanted, and did not just give me an off the shelf tune for a ridiculous amount of money like MANY of the so called big boys do.
There is only so much you can do with modifying the software, aka chip mapping. So YEAH, I stand by my original statement as NONE of them are adding a new chip set, additional parameters, or additional outputs.
Do you really think that ANY of them hold the Holy Grail of tunes?
Yes there are slight difference between tunes, aka dyno numbers. But again this is all in how far they go with their settings, aka 20 degree vs 21, etc, etc.
I picked EC because they listen to what I wanted, and did not just give me an off the shelf tune for a ridiculous amount of money like MANY of the so called big boys do.
There is only so much you can do with modifying the software, aka chip mapping. So YEAH, I stand by my original statement as NONE of them are adding a new chip set, additional parameters, or additional outputs.
03-26-2010, 10:55 AM
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Ding ding ding!! I would have AMG put in the new V8 turby and she just how high they could tune it. 1000hp being the goal.
Course if money is more of tiny little object. Heard nothing but great stuff about Jeremy so far. Renntech is also getting a bit more aggresive with their tunes and mods. Never would have suggested them in the past but after Benzgals car and couple others, they are finally getting a bit more radical with the tunes.
Jeremy is awesome but so far for me, he is like the Godfather. I keep trying to find him but noone will give me an email or phone number. Jeremy if you are reading this CALL MEEEEEE!!!!!
Course if money is more of tiny little object. Heard nothing but great stuff about Jeremy so far. Renntech is also getting a bit more aggresive with their tunes and mods. Never would have suggested them in the past but after Benzgals car and couple others, they are finally getting a bit more radical with the tunes.
Jeremy is awesome but so far for me, he is like the Godfather. I keep trying to find him but noone will give me an email or phone number. Jeremy if you are reading this CALL MEEEEEE!!!!!
but heard from very very good source..
"Jeremy was doing funny business on the side, therefore no longer with Powerchip"
If you notice.. Travis is no longer there either...
03-26-2010, 12:24 PM
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In the meantime, we have their genious tuner who has gone underground and may soon spawn their own tuning company.
PC will probably accuse these guys of stealing their software much like they did with Jessie Dakkus (aka. Speed Innovations/Gintani).
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03-26-2010, 01:13 PM
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Oh please
Do you really think that ANY of them hold the Holy Grail of tunes?
Yes there are slight difference between tunes, aka dyno numbers. But again this is all in how far they go with their settings, aka 20 degree vs 21, etc, etc.
I picked EC because they listen to what I wanted, and did not just give me an off the shelf tune for a ridiculous amount of money like MANY of the so called big boys do.
There is only so much you can do with modifying the software, aka chip mapping. So YEAH, I stand by my original statement as NONE of them are adding a new chip set, additional parameters, or additional outputs.
Do you really think that ANY of them hold the Holy Grail of tunes?
Yes there are slight difference between tunes, aka dyno numbers. But again this is all in how far they go with their settings, aka 20 degree vs 21, etc, etc.
I picked EC because they listen to what I wanted, and did not just give me an off the shelf tune for a ridiculous amount of money like MANY of the so called big boys do.
There is only so much you can do with modifying the software, aka chip mapping. So YEAH, I stand by my original statement as NONE of them are adding a new chip set, additional parameters, or additional outputs.
FWIW, you are also obviously bringing money into the equation, which the OP clearly requested be left out of the variables in this discussion (consider it an academic exercise). To be clear, if someone else was footing the bill, you wouldn't elect the keys to the fully-tuned Brabus E55, and would instead choose the Eurocharged one?
03-26-2010, 03:43 PM
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MRAMG1 - with your "original statement," you're very specifically honing in on a technical definition of "tune" i.e. software revision. I read the OP's comment to be the more general definition, i.e. hw/sw mods. Don't know which is right; perhaps OP can clarify.
FWIW, you are also obviously bringing money into the equation, which the OP clearly requested be left out of the variables in this discussion (consider it an academic exercise). To be clear, if someone else was footing the bill, you wouldn't elect the keys to the fully-tuned Brabus E55, and would instead choose the Eurocharged one?
FWIW, you are also obviously bringing money into the equation, which the OP clearly requested be left out of the variables in this discussion (consider it an academic exercise). To be clear, if someone else was footing the bill, you wouldn't elect the keys to the fully-tuned Brabus E55, and would instead choose the Eurocharged one?
You are correct that I was insinuating money, and I still do. WHY, because the High dollar tunes are in NO way shape or form any better. Track results from MANY of the members here prove this time and time again.
Why throw your money away for the same, albeit VERY slightly different product, IMHO.
And YES, I would gladly take a fully tuned Brabus for free. But guess what I would do with it the very next day
I guess I work too hard for my money and NEVER in my life would I pay Renteck $5400 for an off the shelf tune on my car. Even IF it was better, which I HIGHLY doubt as mine was a custom Dyno tune, I still would keep my money for other goodies
Oh well, I guess I either don't make enough money to think of these things, or I still care too much about it
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