W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

W211 E55 vs W212 E63.... tonight

Old Apr 23, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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Jesus I in 24hrs I missed all of this Nice runs to the both of you.


AMG finally figured out the way to out perform the E55 is to rebuild the same engine but add two turbo's because in some cases they just missed the boat on the 63's.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mthis
comon do it so I have someone to play with.
EDIT: I know the trick Ill beat u even with all does mods I dare u to try
Mthis I wish you were on the west coast cuz your 63 is a beast and I would love to see how we would run on the same track the same day or if I was on the east coast.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 01:52 PM
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Strange but it does not compute with my experience. I had 08 e63 with charcoals delete only, and Jon's C63 was pulling slightly top end. My new 2010 E63 was about even. So, the new E63 was quicker than my 08 E63.

Don't know. Just seems like too many variations and conditions. Cars are so close that any change in either temp, weight or whatever can produce a win or a loss for either.

Keep in mind that 1.5 to 2 cars at 150mph is most likely less than 0.1 sec in time difference and maybe 2-3mph in speed.
I believe every car does run a little differently and I think that's the case. The night I went to the track before muffler/2nd cats, there was another stock e55 there. I was doing 12.5 @114.9 and he was doing sumwhere around 12.8/12.9 @ 111/112.

Oldgixer with his e63 told me last night he had the same thing happen, he was running 2-3mph more then other stock e63s. Some of these stock cars are running a lil quicker then others and I think that's y we all gettn diff results.

A good run would be oldgixer e63 vs ur e63 albert. This is all fun for us so hopefully we will all get together soon.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
To Mthis;

Not to mention I only lose 1.5 to ur tune/header 63. So if u claim I have 10-15hp more plus if I use 100 octane ill prob be kissing your bumper . Uh oh give it to me loll

How about this guys. I go out running every1 and no matter what I do I her ***** and excuses all the time. So this is what I say. We have me, jon - ( c63 ), oldgixer - ( w211 e63 ), albert - ( 212 63 ) all get together on a sat/sun am we all get every single car on the same dyno and go out for some friendly runs after that.

So there it is. I'm IN.....
Better yet, you guys should go to ATCO or to whichever 1/4 mile track is near you guys and compare numbers/results on the same day, same track, same conditions. It should be a good comparison in my opinion.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:14 PM
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Nice runs - what the hell is hangin from your rear view mirror ????
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
Jesus I in 24hrs I missed all of this Nice runs to the both of you.


AMG finally figured out the way to out perform the E55 is to rebuild the same engine but add two turbo's because in some cases they just missed the boat on the 63's.
Actually, they used a whole new different engine. The E55 engine comes from the E500 engine, which they "suped-up" a bit. The new twin turbo engine is from the E550 (and other models), which produces close to 400 hp without AMG's touch
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
Better yet, you guys should go to ATCO or to whichever 1/4 mile track is near you guys and compare numbers/results on the same day, same track, same conditions. It should be a good comparison in my opinion.
I would def be in for a track rental at atco. I really woulda loved to see what each car dynos on the same exact dyno on the same day.

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Nice runs - what the hell is hangin from your rear view mirror ????
Its a flag of the albanian eagle . You can see it more clear in the pix I posted in page 1 haha.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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I'll come and spectate! Nice runs guys.

A couple of things about the 7 speed...The M5's 7 speed is geared for performance. You reach top speed in 7th gear. The Mercedes 7 speed auto seems like a great idea but the last 2 gears are actually for economy.

The MCT *should* have less drivetrain loss! BMW, Porsche, Nissan, their dual clutch paddle shift transmissions result in more power to the ground. MB is the opposite? Weird...
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 03:47 PM
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nice runs as always.

what was the ambient temp..?


The e55 is cooler weather is a beast since the ECU does not jump in to pull timing. (same can be said for any boosted car vs N/A motor)

In the warmer months.. I would say the 63 will be right there with you.

But its still a good showing for the E55 based on its age.

MCT is not really helping MB at this point. They need a true dual clutch transmission, like GTR, PDK, Audi, MDCT.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
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Not to mention I only lose 1.5 to ur tune/header 63. So if u claim I have 10-15hp more plus if I use 100 octane ill prob be kissing your bumper . Uh oh give it to me loll

How about this guys. I go out running every1 and no matter what I do I her ***** and excuses all the time. So this is what I say. We have me, jon - ( c63 ), oldgixer - ( w211 e63 ), albert - ( 212 63 ) all get together on a sat/sun am we all get every single car on the same dyno and go out for some friendly runs after that.

So there it is. I'm IN.....

Lmao dude I had bald tires when I raced u Thats the only reason u styed close to me.
You wanna try again this time don't reset u ecu bc i don't want u to say u car was not shifting rite.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:17 PM
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Better yet, you guys should go to ATCO or to whichever 1/4 mile track is near you guys and compare numbers/results on the same day, same track, same conditions. It should be a good comparison in my opinion.
We did and I ran 11.8 at 119.69 with bald street tires and he ran 12.5 at 114.9

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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
Heyyy JON. My buddy oldgixer would like to run you with his w211 E63. The same 1 I raced in my video. Let me know if you wanna do it. He's stock and he don't think there is anyway you are going to beat him with the c63.
Yo I would love to run oldgixer. Its going to be tight! BTW how many miles on your monster?
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
Definetly makes sense. Your def putting down more power then a c63 because you guys are even.

What I'm interested about is this whole gearing issue. I've heard numerous times that a 7 speed does better up top. From my experience I have run multiple times with "up top" cars (c63/e63/21263/M5) and I do not believe that any of these cars do better up top then a 5 speed 55.

To me its a fact the 7 speeds are not any better then the 5 speed. I have proved it time and time again.
Dude its the massive 516trq@2500rpm on the e55!
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:42 PM
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Dude u need to bring you car to Bruce to Dyno u car. Last tme u dynoed and got 411 it was a spike and you car downshifted from4th gear to 3rd. That's not a accurate Dyno u got.
Plus you should Dyno you car now after 2nd cat delete and mufflers I'm sure u gained 10-15 not 3-5. Plus you k&n's. Comon you not stock no more Time to start modding you cAr.

Is this beter em I gettn in u head now. Lmao
+1 the 10whp+ adds up in the topend. So the cat deletes, muffler helps..
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:46 PM
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Lmao dude I had bald tires when I raced u Thats the only reason u styed close to me.
You wanna try again this time don't reset u ecu bc i don't want u to say u car was not shifting rite.
ahahahhaah ANYTIME MY MAN. Dont worry no ECu reset. My muffler 2nd cat delete should be enuff to take you . This time you coming to me by that spot i ran the 212. We gonnna get you to come out of the ISLAND.

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Yo I would love to run oldgixer. Its going to be tight! BTW how many miles on your monster?
Yeah definetly going to be interesting for sure. I guess let me know when is good for you so I let him know as well. Set something up . I just jumped on 40k.

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Lmao dude I had bald tires when I raced u Thats the only reason u styed close to me.
You wanna try again this time don't reset u ecu bc i don't want u to say u car was not shifting rite.

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Originally Posted by Jons95c36amg
+1 the 10whp+ adds up in the topend. So the cat deletes, muffler helps..
Where is this info coming from? 10whp on 2nd cat delete. Anyone have anything solid to back this 10whp up? Not saying its not possible just wondering if its true.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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Once a e55 beats me Ill do that with h/c and then good bye record. And tranny.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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ahahahhaah ANYTIME MY MAN. Dont worry no ECu reset. My muffler 2nd cat delete should be enuff to take you . This time you coming to me by that spot i ran the 212. We gonnna get you to come out of the ISLAND.



Yeah definetly going to be interesting for sure. I guess let me know when is good for you so I let him know as well. Set something up . I just jumped on 40k.
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Where is this info coming from? 10whp on 2nd cat delete. Anyone have anything solid to back this 10whp up? Not saying its not possible just wondering if its true.

wow my man got exhaust system worth 20WHP!

"MHP C63 will come around from behind on both of yous during the runs." ROFL someone needs mods.
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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Once a e55 beats me Ill do that with h/c and then good bye record. And tranny.
AHAHAH theres a bunch of modded E55's local I'm sure some1 around here would like to run a modded C63 ?
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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wow my man got exhaust system worth 20WHP!
AHAHAH my man averaging 28 miles a week on the new car Are you allowed to be in here ? This is for CAR ENTHUSIASTS not parking garage attendants. .
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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AHAHAH theres a bunch of modded E55's local I'm sure some1 around here would like to run a modded C63 ?
He ran them, and you saw what happened.

Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
AHAHAH my man averaging 28 miles a week on the new car Are you allowed to be in here ? This is for CAR ENTHUSIASTS not parking garage attendants. .

i put 1000 miles within 3 weeks!!!! holla at meee when u see me ridin in the city with my highbeams onnnn...ROFL

This is your first win in a long time.. ill give it to you, every C63, 335i M5 u raced you gettin beatin by, man i think its time for u to do some modding, and stopp with the exterior mods, and PRETENDING like your modded.


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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 06:32 PM
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ill be backk lata... gotta go find some AMG around here to whoop on...
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He ran them, and you saw what happened.




i put 1000 miles within 3 weeks!!!! holla at meee when u see me ridin in the city with my highbeams onnnn...ROFL

This is your first win in a long time i give it to you, every C63, 335i M5 u raced you gettin beatin by, man i think its time for u to do some modding, and stopp with the exterior mods, and PRETENDING like your modded.


<<< who am i?????
HATERRRRRRRRRRR

My first win in a long time you want to be my 2nd with your 335 ? You have alot of butt time in the 55 so no need to start this never ending back and forth you like to start all the time. I'm 1 phone call away .
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ill be backk lata... gotta go find some AMG around here to whoop on...
Ill make it easier so you dont have to find one. Ill come to you .
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