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Old May 6, 2010 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KLR CLS
I think it's just an 82mm that has been bored/honed with a new throttle plate. The outside diameter should be the same. Nick, info paaaleease??
That would require a new plate. The edges of the plate are not flat, if they arent cut at the right angle (very difficult) you can have idle issues. Maybe maxbore can do it, I dunno
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Old May 6, 2010 | 10:41 PM
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Sneaky,,,

What size belt are you using and how tight of a fit is it?

I too am curious as to how the bored TB affects your idle. Every blue moon my 80mm tends to force my car into a seizure.

Also, I'd be curious to see how much boost you consistently get. My datalogger is showing 14.1 lbs of boost w/ my 180mm.

best of luck and hook that baby to a Datalogger to see where AIT go.
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Old May 6, 2010 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Roseylv
Sneaky,,,

What size belt are you using and how tight of a fit is it?

I too am curious as to how the bored TB affects your idle. Every blue moon my 80mm tends to force my car into a seizure.

Also, I'd be curious to see how much boost you consistently get. My datalogger is showing 14.1 lbs of boost w/ my 180mm.

best of luck and hook that baby to a Datalogger to see where AIT go.
i am getting 14.4 boost consistently with a 190
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Old May 6, 2010 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by beauphus
i am getting 14.4 boost consistently with a 190
You also have cams, ported heads, mucho worked exhaust, which lower you boost for all the right reasons.
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Old May 6, 2010 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
That would require a new plate. The edges of the plate are not flat, if they arent cut at the right angle (very difficult) you can have idle issues. Maybe maxbore can do it, I dunno
That's exactly what maxbore does.
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Old May 6, 2010 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ali_E55

I'm pretty sure when a manufacturer list a pulley size, it is taken from the ribbed area, not the lip.
Here is a pic of a 178mm ASP. Taking the circumference measurement of the ribbed area I get 561mm. Divide that by 3.14 = 178.66
For a comparison, I also measured the accessory pulley and came up with 477mm, which = a diameter of 151.9mm
Last, I measured across the face from lip to lip like you did and came up with 183mm. If I had to guess, the true measurement of your pulley is around 185mm.
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Old May 6, 2010 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by beauphus
i am getting 14.4 boost consistently with a 190
to be fair, i had my Datalogger sampling 5 parameters and boost was one of them. Therefore the sample rate was pretty slow.

My boost level was as high as 14.1 but did taper off towards redline to about 13.2
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Old May 6, 2010 | 11:16 PM
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how big is the pulley?
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Old May 7, 2010 | 02:14 AM
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how big is the pulley?
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Old May 7, 2010 | 02:17 AM
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It is a max bore job, it works fine, As soon as I put it on it acted like poo, but with the key on I cycle the gas wot and close a few time and it cleared up. The work he does could be better, it gets the job done but fit and finnish is lacking.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 03:36 AM
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So the car drives smooth, no hiccups under normal driving. First hard pulls resulted in a whole lot of belt slip, Came home an rub down the 180 belt with vht track bite and squezed it on. That seemed to fix the belt slip, but now the car is scary lean(14.5), I'm on a stock tune still so not sure how much fuel is be had with tuning but I hope its a bunch!

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Old May 7, 2010 | 04:13 AM
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you'll be fine with tuning but is there a real fix for the belt slip?
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Old May 7, 2010 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lowprofile
I'm pretty sure when a manufacturer list a pulley size, it is taken from the ribbed area, not the lip.
Here is a pic of a 178mm ASP. Taking the circumference measurement of the ribbed area I get 561mm. Divide that by 3.14 = 178.66
For a comparison, I also measured the accessory pulley and came up with 477mm, which = a diameter of 151.9mm
Last, I measured across the face from lip to lip like you did and came up with 183mm. If I had to guess, the true measurement of your pulley is around 185mm.

well, stock pulley measures from lip to tip, about 155mm, thats how i calculated it. and tgats hoe i calculated the big pulley.

and we have EC 172mm. calculated from side to side is also the same. like how i measured the big pulley.

>< now, what are u doing is calculating it the long way, in 2 steps rather than 1.

calculating its circut and dividing by PI gives u the measure from side to side.

so to do it invertly, 190 * PI (3.14195) = 596.9.

and for calculating the ribbed area we just drop 2mm = my pulley is 188mm on the ribbed area.

PS: i'am an engineer and doing my Master now ^_^. so i know how to calculate. lo0ol



we didn't see any boost leak with these big pulleys, but we saw an extra power. alot of torque actually.

gotta love them guys.

if i was in US with your weather i will go above 200mm and will upgrade S/C bearings with heavy duty ones that can handle fast rotation and heat.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sneakyneon
So the car drives smooth, no hiccups under normal driving. First hard pulls resulted in a whole lot of belt slip, Came home an rub down the 180 belt with vht track bite and squezed it on. That seemed to fix the belt slip, but now the car is scary lean(14.5), I'm on a stock tune still so not sure how much fuel and be had with tuning but I hope its a bunch!

mine to is very smooth on idle and normal driving, also no hiccups,

but it is lean man, for a fast solution untill u tune it, u can use the STAR to increase the fuel from the Fuel pumps by making it slightly rich. and return it back to normal before u tune it.


i know u r liking the power, but a tune will make u feel it is another car, believe me, i've been in this.


thanks Jeremy for the great tune.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ali_E55
well, stock pulley measures from lip to tip, about 155mm, thats how i calculated it. and tgats hoe i calculated the big pulley.

and we have EC 172mm. calculated from side to side is also the same. like how i measured the big pulley.

>< now, what are u doing is calculating it the long way, in 2 steps rather than 1.

calculating its circut and dividing by PI gives u the measure from side to side.

so to do it invertly, 190 * PI (3.14195) = 596.9.

and for calculating the ribbed area we just drop 2mm = my pulley is 188mm on the ribbed area.

PS: i'am an engineer and doing my Master now ^_^. so i know how to calculate. lo0ol



we didn't see any boost leak with these big pulleys, but we saw an extra power. alot of torque actually.

gotta love them guys.

if i was in US with your weather i will go above 200mm and will upgrade S/C bearings with heavy duty ones that can handle fast rotation and heat.
Regardless if the calculation takes one or two steps lowprofile is calculating it the right way. Who cares how the stock pulley is measured. From the pic that you posted with the vernier calipers you can at least see a 2 mm lip before the ribs on each side.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 09:21 AM
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Get a tune on it ASAP!
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Old May 7, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by shardul
Regardless if the calculation takes one or two steps lowprofile is calculating it the right way. Who cares how the stock pulley is measured. From the pic that you posted with the vernier calipers you can at least see a 2 mm lip before the ribs on each side.

i know

i really wanted 190mm but what to do, i installed it, better then the 178 lol
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Old May 7, 2010 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
you'll be fine with tuning but is there a real fix for the belt slip?
The belt that i got from NAPA was a 25-080537 (gates) it put the tentioner toward the bottom of the adjustment. The belt was OLD- must have been on the self for 10-15 years. The belt that I had on my 178mm pulley will fit but it puts it at the very top of the adjustment. Not sure if this going to be a real fix or not? But trust me belt slip can be fixed with a little ingenuity.
So for my fuel, Not sure I'm willing to drive 1500 miles for a tune just have to turn around because there not 2 point of fuel in the tune, Today podject is going to be check the volatage at the pump, anything less than 11 is going to get a rewire job. this should put me at the output of the alternator, so let's say 13-14v Plus I'll pull the pump and make sure the filer/sock or what ever they have in there looks clean. The last straw would be to replace the pump but at 340.00 bucks I'm a bit hessitant just to throw that away plus for that kinda of money I'm betting I could put a real pump and raising rate reg in the car. Its not like I'm done modding yet!

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Old May 7, 2010 | 10:56 AM
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Out-Fukin-Standing!!

Good job pushing the envelope for the 55K!
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Out-Fukin-Standing!!

Good job pushing the envelope for the 55K!
So true!! And the fact that you have done everything on your own!
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Originally Posted by sneakyneon
It is a max bore job, it works fine, As soon as I put it on it acted like poo, but with the key on I cycle the gas wot and close a few time and it cleared up. The work he does could be better, it gets the job done but fit and finnish is lacking.

So Would you recommend it? I have been on the fence, but as long as it doesn't throw a code and Idles correctly I'll give it a shot.
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Old May 7, 2010 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KLR CLS
So Would you recommend it? I have been on the fence, but as long as it doesn't throw a code and Idles correctly I'll give it a shot.
I'm always very hesitant to "recommend" For were we are at with 55k platform it would be a exstream mod, The fastest times to date have been set on a 180mm, time will tell if its going to work.
Also keep in mind that my intention is a fast drag/1/4 mile set up. this pulley is going to make alot of heat fast! I'm running a Water/meth injection set up to help with this but still would exspect it to heat soak quickly on the street.
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For all those who would like to know, the stock voltage is at the fuel pump is 13.57
So much for free fuel.....

So is there really 2 points of fuel available in a tune?
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