Intake idea
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Intake idea
I was thinking about an ideal intake setup for the E55 and after reading a bit from Kenne Bell and their take on intakes I came up with a question. Wanted to run it by you all.
Why couldn't you just run intakes straight into the fender? Under the fender but on top of the fender liner so you don't get water and gunk on it. The advantages would be that you would have a very short run from filter to the throttle body and more importanly you wouldn't be exposing your intake to under the hood temps any more then possible. Being force induction I don't believe having a "ram air" setup is worth anything so I don't see a problem there as long as there is room to cut into the fender and room for a filter.
I need to go and take a wheel off and pull the liner just to see if there is any room for a filter but I wanted to see if anyone has tried or thought about this. I may get my answer real quick once I start to dig, just haven't had a chance yet. There is also the option of an inline filter. I proposed using silicone tubing for the piping because it's very easy to use and insluates to a degree.
Without pulling the liner it seems like you would have to cut a hole in each fender which some people may not like but I've done worse lol
Anyway, what do you think?
Why couldn't you just run intakes straight into the fender? Under the fender but on top of the fender liner so you don't get water and gunk on it. The advantages would be that you would have a very short run from filter to the throttle body and more importanly you wouldn't be exposing your intake to under the hood temps any more then possible. Being force induction I don't believe having a "ram air" setup is worth anything so I don't see a problem there as long as there is room to cut into the fender and room for a filter.
I need to go and take a wheel off and pull the liner just to see if there is any room for a filter but I wanted to see if anyone has tried or thought about this. I may get my answer real quick once I start to dig, just haven't had a chance yet. There is also the option of an inline filter. I proposed using silicone tubing for the piping because it's very easy to use and insluates to a degree.
Without pulling the liner it seems like you would have to cut a hole in each fender which some people may not like but I've done worse lol
Anyway, what do you think?
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you lost me at cutting into my fender -- thats probably why this is not being done and you still need some airflow in that fender -- it can not just be a vacuum
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I was thinking of maybe an intake like this www.prmracing.com but I'm not sure it could flow enough to be worth it. I'm talking with the owner. But if it sufficed it would solve the room problem under the liner. If I'm not mistake many manufactures have intakes in the fender these days.
I'm not worried about water because this is over top of the fender liner. My dad's cup car's intake is very exposed compared to this setup but has a small hole in the bottom of his very expensive intake and he's ran fine in the rain. Many cup cars do. It's just not a factor unless the intake gets dunked as far as I can tell.
Mike, I'm not sure how to do "ram air" without exposing the intake to hot air under the hood or using the factory tubes. I've seen the carbon tubes but those don't interest me and you're always going to have to have either a factory like setup of have cone filters in the engine bay. This minimizes the exposure to the engine bay and makes it a straight shot to the Y-Pipe.
I think the fact that it would be a very short intake grabbing air from a true cold air source would help more then it being non "ram air" would hurt but that's speculation. From what I've seen I think it would beat the crap out of the factory setup. A cheap 20-30hp perhaps? The colder the air is coming in the better it should be once the supercharger gets a hold of it no? Only a dyno could tell and even that is debatable given that road wind is different then dyno wind lol If I did this it would use silicone and be wrapped and possibly heat shielded from the headers, which should be here monday
I'm still researching and learning. This just seems so simple though and simple can be good
I'm not worried about water because this is over top of the fender liner. My dad's cup car's intake is very exposed compared to this setup but has a small hole in the bottom of his very expensive intake and he's ran fine in the rain. Many cup cars do. It's just not a factor unless the intake gets dunked as far as I can tell.
Mike, I'm not sure how to do "ram air" without exposing the intake to hot air under the hood or using the factory tubes. I've seen the carbon tubes but those don't interest me and you're always going to have to have either a factory like setup of have cone filters in the engine bay. This minimizes the exposure to the engine bay and makes it a straight shot to the Y-Pipe.
I think the fact that it would be a very short intake grabbing air from a true cold air source would help more then it being non "ram air" would hurt but that's speculation. From what I've seen I think it would beat the crap out of the factory setup. A cheap 20-30hp perhaps? The colder the air is coming in the better it should be once the supercharger gets a hold of it no? Only a dyno could tell and even that is debatable given that road wind is different then dyno wind lol If I did this it would use silicone and be wrapped and possibly heat shielded from the headers, which should be here monday
I'm still researching and learning. This just seems so simple though and simple can be good
Last edited by Luke_M; May 31, 2010 at 05:12 PM.
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Well I finally got to look at it closer, with day light and the PRM intake isn't going to work. Way to big to go at the proper angle. Assuming you could eveb get a filter in the fender you'd have one heck of a time getting there. It would take a few 45 and 90 degree bends and even then I'm not sure it's possible. The heads, exhaust manifolds and some hard lines are all in the way. I'll have to get it on a lift one day and take a closer look.
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I was thinking of maybe an intake like this www.prmracing.com but I'm not sure it could flow enough to be worth it. I'm talking with the owner. But if it sufficed it would solve the room problem under the liner. If I'm not mistake many manufactures have intakes in the fender these days.
I'm not worried about water because this is over top of the fender liner. My dad's cup car's intake is very exposed compared to this setup but has a small hole in the bottom of his very expensive intake and he's ran fine in the rain. Many cup cars do. It's just not a factor unless the intake gets dunked as far as I can tell.
Mike, I'm not sure how to do "ram air" without exposing the intake to hot air under the hood or using the factory tubes. I've seen the carbon tubes but those don't interest me and you're always going to have to have either a factory like setup of have cone filters in the engine bay. This minimizes the exposure to the engine bay and makes it a straight shot to the Y-Pipe.
I think the fact that it would be a very short intake grabbing air from a true cold air source would help more then it being non "ram air" would hurt but that's speculation. From what I've seen I think it would beat the crap out of the factory setup. A cheap 20-30hp perhaps? The colder the air is coming in the better it should be once the supercharger gets a hold of it no? Only a dyno could tell and even that is debatable given that road wind is different then dyno wind lol If I did this it would use silicone and be wrapped and possibly heat shielded from the headers, which should be here monday
I'm still researching and learning. This just seems so simple though and simple can be good
I'm not worried about water because this is over top of the fender liner. My dad's cup car's intake is very exposed compared to this setup but has a small hole in the bottom of his very expensive intake and he's ran fine in the rain. Many cup cars do. It's just not a factor unless the intake gets dunked as far as I can tell.
Mike, I'm not sure how to do "ram air" without exposing the intake to hot air under the hood or using the factory tubes. I've seen the carbon tubes but those don't interest me and you're always going to have to have either a factory like setup of have cone filters in the engine bay. This minimizes the exposure to the engine bay and makes it a straight shot to the Y-Pipe.
I think the fact that it would be a very short intake grabbing air from a true cold air source would help more then it being non "ram air" would hurt but that's speculation. From what I've seen I think it would beat the crap out of the factory setup. A cheap 20-30hp perhaps? The colder the air is coming in the better it should be once the supercharger gets a hold of it no? Only a dyno could tell and even that is debatable given that road wind is different then dyno wind lol If I did this it would use silicone and be wrapped and possibly heat shielded from the headers, which should be here monday
I'm still researching and learning. This just seems so simple though and simple can be good
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I will try and find the link, but the other day I ran across an interesting bit of research on a bmw 335I comparing the iat's with the stock filter and a cold air intake; the gains were negligable.
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