Today is a good day!!
06-17-2010, 10:33 AM
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Today is a good day!!
Today is a good day!!
Argentina, my childhood team, wonw 4-1.
Last night I have finally finish (well for now anyway) my little go fast project for my E55. The car is a FREAKING BEAST now.
The car had Renntech 172mm pulley and tune.
About two months ago while doing some belts, tensioner, and pulley I decided to throw in the PTE 160 degree thermostat.
Then about a month ago, I scored a set of brand new headers from a vendor here and put it on along with custom 3" midpipe and high flow cats. Still keep the stock mufflers and resonators.
Next is 82mm throttle body. And last night was the completion of my custom intake.
The car runs and sounds like a beast now. But at idle it still quiet and mellow like a stock car. Last night for some testing we were out in the booney and from a 20mph roll stomp on the gas the result was a solid orange triagle on the cluster. The SC whine is incredible (even with the windows up). I think I've just feel in love with this car all over again.
I will try to get some dyno test soon. Also, next up will be some heat-exchanger/cooling mods (anyone know where I can get a how to fro removing the front bumber?).
Oh yeah, while all this go fast was going on my E55 I still managed to get a CF trunk spoiler and rear diffuser on the car too
. Thanks for reading my little project.
Argentina, my childhood team, wonw 4-1.
Last night I have finally finish (well for now anyway) my little go fast project for my E55. The car is a FREAKING BEAST now.
The car had Renntech 172mm pulley and tune.
About two months ago while doing some belts, tensioner, and pulley I decided to throw in the PTE 160 degree thermostat.
Then about a month ago, I scored a set of brand new headers from a vendor here and put it on along with custom 3" midpipe and high flow cats. Still keep the stock mufflers and resonators.
Next is 82mm throttle body. And last night was the completion of my custom intake.
The car runs and sounds like a beast now. But at idle it still quiet and mellow like a stock car. Last night for some testing we were out in the booney and from a 20mph roll stomp on the gas the result was a solid orange triagle on the cluster. The SC whine is incredible (even with the windows up). I think I've just feel in love with this car all over again.
I will try to get some dyno test soon. Also, next up will be some heat-exchanger/cooling mods (anyone know where I can get a how to fro removing the front bumber?).
Oh yeah, while all this go fast was going on my E55 I still managed to get a CF trunk spoiler and rear diffuser on the car too
. Thanks for reading my little project.
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06-17-2010, 01:54 PM
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06-17-2010, 02:18 PM
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Happy now!?
Don't mind the dirty engine bay. We finish the intake @10:30 PM last night. Initially we were gonna go with 3.5" pipes but there is no room at the Y. So the Y is 3" and the rest is 3.5". Hope you guys like it. I love it, the SC whine alone is well worth it
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06-17-2010, 03:47 PM
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+1 on the engine bay air bro! If you are sucking from the bay, at least pop off the bottom plastic cover to get some fresh in there. Engine exposed to road debris then, maybe skip that.
Amazing setup! Really looks nice!
Just trying to help as we approach the furnace of summer.
Amazing setup! Really looks nice!
Just trying to help as we approach the furnace of summer.
06-17-2010, 05:34 PM
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It must be me being high on the car, but the car actually drive better than it ever did before.
Yes, the sheilds underneath the car are long gone. As much as I mess around with the car the sheilds are off the first time I dropped some tools.
As far as the heat go, there are two school of thought on that. One believe the cold air will benefit and I'm belong to this school of thought too (long time NA and turbocharge cars owner). But the other believe that the supercharge engine like the E55 will not benefit because it'll heat the air up anyway. We'll see what happen on the dyno. I'm sure I'll see some gain, but we'll see.
Yes, the sheilds underneath the car are long gone. As much as I mess around with the car the sheilds are off the first time I dropped some tools.
As far as the heat go, there are two school of thought on that. One believe the cold air will benefit and I'm belong to this school of thought too (long time NA and turbocharge cars owner). But the other believe that the supercharge engine like the E55 will not benefit because it'll heat the air up anyway. We'll see what happen on the dyno. I'm sure I'll see some gain, but we'll see.
06-17-2010, 07:59 PM
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It'll work, remember Hooleyboys C55 w/AMG blower? had a 1 legger version of your CAI, his dyno's looked stout for that project. I run a similar setup although ditched the metal tubing as I feel it creates more trapped heat vs plastic or silicone tubing, on frwy should be fine & sound excellent... Nothing beats evil blower whine! I still love it over BOV Turbo sounds...
06-17-2010, 09:06 PM
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I admire your handy work!
I can see the argument from both sides...hot air being bad and greater air flow compensating for it.
And don't think a dyno will show any realistic results, unless you have a wind tunnel in front of the car...lol.
I can see the argument from both sides...hot air being bad and greater air flow compensating for it.
And don't think a dyno will show any realistic results, unless you have a wind tunnel in front of the car...lol.
06-18-2010, 12:51 AM
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It'll work, remember Hooleyboys C55 w/AMG blower? had a 1 legger version of your CAI, his dyno's looked stout for that project. I run a similar setup although ditched the metal tubing as I feel it creates more trapped heat vs plastic or silicone tubing, on frwy should be fine & sound excellent... Nothing beats evil blower whine! I still love it over BOV Turbo sounds...
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Great looking Intake setup... Today was a happy day for me also Mexico won
2-0 against France. But I also got my Kleeman Headers Happy Happy Joy Joy
Will see you Argentina in the Semi Finals.
2-0 against France. But I also got my Kleeman Headers Happy Happy Joy Joy
Will see you Argentina in the Semi Finals.
06-18-2010, 04:46 PM
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NOT the case...I'm not the only 1 w/success using this type of setup, sometimes you have to try different things & see what happens, I did & it works plain/simple...
06-20-2010, 03:10 AM
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Plenty of COLD air gets in thru factory holes, helps to remove the tabs on outside as well...If it was ONLY getting hot engine air my SL would fall on it's face NOT the case...
I'm not the only 1 w/success using this type of setup, sometimes you have to try different things & see what happens, I did & it works plain/simple...
NOT the case...I'm not the only 1 w/success using this type of setup, sometimes you have to try different things & see what happens, I did & it works plain/simple...
06-20-2010, 03:31 AM
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It'll work, remember Hooleyboys C55 w/AMG blower? had a 1 legger version of your CAI, his dyno's looked stout for that project. I run a similar setup although ditched the metal tubing as I feel it creates more trapped heat vs plastic or silicone tubing, on frwy should be fine & sound excellent... Nothing beats evil blower whine! I still love it over BOV Turbo sounds...
Now trying this with a standard 55k with stock intake... It didnt make any power moving the floor blowers aimed right at the ram-air tubes.
Never logged my IAT's when I did this, but I felt the cone filter inside the engine bay was having a hard time gettign cooler air or enough air.
Thats why it always made more power when I aimed the floor blowers at the cone filter. Again though, this method had no effect on 55k's with stock airboxes.
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Post logs of your IATs after you've been driving around for a while. And please provide your definition of "success" and "works" in this case. I'm glad it works for you, just would like to see before/after data or something to substantiate the gains. You're right, you do have to try different things and see what works. Ever seen what drag cars do at the track when they have setups like that?
in your opinion) You'll know very soon...But I'm guessing running on frwy from 20mph -160+ or from a dig to 130-140+ on side streets numerous times & beating or hanging door to door w/some very fast autos inc new modded 08' Z06 we've ran on 2 occassions now, on frwy door to door up to 130ish...
Or runs vs the Nitrous/Meth fed 335i w/every bolton of Warrens, (my SL w/zero cool dwn, NO Meth, after 1 1/2 hr drive str8 to race spot NO Drag setup for me, + over half tank 91 oct w/1 can Torco) or vs Drews Gintani SC'd w/Meth etc... Or new 997 TT on frwy - pulled him) over the last year & 1/2 it's been mounted to the SL I've run/ street raced the hell outt've it...But that leaves me ZERO viable data to share on it's regard in perf???
Actual 1/4 #'s coming in dead of summer heat, Trap Speed will most likely be my ONLY proof of my CAI working like I describe, since as you know the DA/temps etc will kill my ET's but NO worry I'm still going, you'll be 1 of the few to 1st hear what I run, if so interested send me ur cell # in PM
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06-20-2010, 08:02 AM
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Yeah, I had a cone filter, just one side, Like you said. Due to the MAF. On a dyno with standard fan placement I made 480whp. then If I moved the floor blowers to direct air right over the intake cone, I was in the 500whp area.
Now trying this with a standard 55k with stock intake... It didnt make any power moving the floor blowers aimed right at the ram-air tubes.
Never logged my IAT's when I did this, but I felt the cone filter inside the engine bay was having a hard time gettign cooler air or enough air. Thats why it always made more power when I aimed the floor blowers at the cone filter. Again though, this method had no effect on 55k's with stock airboxes.
Now trying this with a standard 55k with stock intake... It didnt make any power moving the floor blowers aimed right at the ram-air tubes.
Never logged my IAT's when I did this, but I felt the cone filter inside the engine bay was having a hard time gettign cooler air or enough air.
Thats why it always made more power when I aimed the floor blowers at the cone filter. Again though, this method had no effect on 55k's with stock airboxes.Well if you consider my MB a Drag car (w/improper sized Hoosier tires mounted to little cheap wheels in your opinion) You'll know very soon...
But I'm guessing running on frwy from 20mph -160+ or from a dig to 130-140+ on side streets numerous times & beating or hanging door to door w/some very fast autos inc new modded 08' Z06 we've ran on 2 occassions now, on frwy door to door up to 130ish...
Or runs vs the Nitrous/Meth fed 335i w/every bolton of Warrens, (my SL w/zero cool dwn, NO Meth, after 1 1/2 hr drive str8 to race spot NO Drag setup for me, + over half tank 91 oct w/1 can Torco) or vs Drews Gintani SC'd w/Meth etc... Or new 997 TT on frwy - pulled him) over the last year & 1/2 it's been mounted to the SL I've run/ street raced the hell outt've it...But that leaves me ZERO viable data to share on it's regard in perf???
Actual 1/4 #'s coming in dead of summer heat, Trap Speed will most likely be my ONLY proof of my CAI working like I describe, since as you know the DA/temps etc will kill my ET's but NO worry I'm still going, you'll be 1 of the few to 1st hear what I run, if so interested send me ur cell # in PM
in your opinion) You'll know very soon...But I'm guessing running on frwy from 20mph -160+ or from a dig to 130-140+ on side streets numerous times & beating or hanging door to door w/some very fast autos inc new modded 08' Z06 we've ran on 2 occassions now, on frwy door to door up to 130ish...
Or runs vs the Nitrous/Meth fed 335i w/every bolton of Warrens, (my SL w/zero cool dwn, NO Meth, after 1 1/2 hr drive str8 to race spot NO Drag setup for me, + over half tank 91 oct w/1 can Torco) or vs Drews Gintani SC'd w/Meth etc... Or new 997 TT on frwy - pulled him) over the last year & 1/2 it's been mounted to the SL I've run/ street raced the hell outt've it...But that leaves me ZERO viable data to share on it's regard in perf???
Actual 1/4 #'s coming in dead of summer heat, Trap Speed will most likely be my ONLY proof of my CAI working like I describe, since as you know the DA/temps etc will kill my ET's but NO worry I'm still going, you'll be 1 of the few to 1st hear what I run, if so interested send me ur cell # in PM
None of those street races provide a viable source of data to say an underhood intake is better than one that gets cold air. You would either need IAT logs comparing the two types of intakes or 1/4 mile passes. Something quantifiable to be able to compare. But hey it's your car and you can do whatever you like with it. Just because a car is fast doesn't mean it can't be faster
06-20-2010, 04:07 PM
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OK viable DATA Marko's CL65 w/VRP kit or Jody's same version
I think that right there is pretty good evidence.
I didn't say your car is a drag car, I told you to look at what drag cars do. They know what makes power and what doesn't.
None of those street races provide a viable source of data to say an underhood intake is better than one that gets cold air. You would either need IAT logs comparing the two types of intakes or 1/4 mile passes. Something quantifiable to be able to compare. But hey it's your car and you can do whatever you like with it. Just because a car is fast doesn't mean it can't be faster
I didn't say your car is a drag car, I told you to look at what drag cars do. They know what makes power and what doesn't.
None of those street races provide a viable source of data to say an underhood intake is better than one that gets cold air. You would either need IAT logs comparing the two types of intakes or 1/4 mile passes. Something quantifiable to be able to compare. But hey it's your car and you can do whatever you like with it. Just because a car is fast doesn't mean it can't be faster
Last I heard w/OUT turbo upgrades Marko ran 10.70 FLAT @133-134mph, the scorpion intake on his 65 is def gulping in some hot air as one side is facing directly towards engine not away from it, also the K&N type cones used are a fair distance from the OEM holes for CAI.
Mine are butted directly up to OEM holes... Obviously not needed as Marko's car proves my points, w/ALL the IAT/ET/Trap data you desire...
Face it, you're incorrect & the outside filters do work (let me guess? Ohh that's just turbo cars? Hooleyboy claimed the fastest SC'd C55 ET/Trap w/1 legger outside CAI design) also remember his posts that these passes were made w/failing tranns? http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-20104.html
1) 11.721 119.170 7.594 93.380 1.704 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG Dyno-Comp supercharged 2005 Mike
Notice he's @ top of list vs RENNtech/KlEEMANN S7 C55's???????? That have closed CAI boxes w/FLAT air-filters on inside?
5) 11.997* 117.790 7.726 91.600 1.881 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG Kleemann 55K S7 2005 Josh Hill
6) 12.109* 117.120 7.916 90.010 1.874 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG Kleemann S7 2005 Michael Carter
8) 12.210# 117.020 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG KLEEMAN 55S8 2005 NA
9) 12.229* 112.980 7.874 89.380 1.801 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG RENNtech 2005 CParker
10) 12.297*+ 112.830 8.001 90.730 1.956 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG Kleemann S7 2005 Michael Carter
Also he ran @ AZ raceway NOT sea level track etc.. So I guess something was getting CAI to his engine??
So his dyno stuff he finally discloses now doesn't mean much vs his track data does it?
lastly I did dyno same day/same dyno w/ONLY change being outside filters & gutting CAI oem boxes difference was 30 rwhp gain...(admittedly there are far more restrictions in 600/65 fact intake boxes than 55k but nonetheless outside intake filters still work better than flat filters lying inside closed boiling hot airbox cooking over engine..
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