Methanol Injection Install DIY - FINALLY!
09-30-2010, 03:35 PM
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It is rocket science....
Methanol (CH3OH) can be produced from the Marian atmosphere with little difficulty. This fact makes methanol an attractive propulsion fuel option for Mars exploration missions. Using methanol as a rocket propulsion fuel also addresses key issues in current state-of-the-art hydrocarbon cooled rocket engines, such as coking, environmental compatibility and ground processing operations, from exhaust product and safety standpoints, respectively. Coking is a major problem that limits the op-eration and performance of such systems. Methanol can be decomposed endothermically, in the presence of a catalyst, into carbon monoxide and hydrogen, absorbing a great deal of enthalpy in the process. It can also absorb more enthalpy for a given temperature change than hydrogen, making it a superior coolant. A methanol fuel rocket system can use the test and operational infrastructure that are currently in place to support current hydrocarbon fueled engine systems. Additionally, it is likely that no exotic, advanced technologies will be required to develop low-cost, modest perform-ance methanol fuel rocket engine systems. Use of this low-cost propulsion system technology should provide significant improvement in life cycle cost, reliability, and safety of future space sys-tems, as well as make both manned and unmanned Mars exploration missions, attractive, realistic cost options.
Methanol (CH3OH) can be produced from the Marian atmosphere with little difficulty. This fact makes methanol an attractive propulsion fuel option for Mars exploration missions. Using methanol as a rocket propulsion fuel also addresses key issues in current state-of-the-art hydrocarbon cooled rocket engines, such as coking, environmental compatibility and ground processing operations, from exhaust product and safety standpoints, respectively. Coking is a major problem that limits the op-eration and performance of such systems. Methanol can be decomposed endothermically, in the presence of a catalyst, into carbon monoxide and hydrogen, absorbing a great deal of enthalpy in the process. It can also absorb more enthalpy for a given temperature change than hydrogen, making it a superior coolant. A methanol fuel rocket system can use the test and operational infrastructure that are currently in place to support current hydrocarbon fueled engine systems. Additionally, it is likely that no exotic, advanced technologies will be required to develop low-cost, modest perform-ance methanol fuel rocket engine systems. Use of this low-cost propulsion system technology should provide significant improvement in life cycle cost, reliability, and safety of future space sys-tems, as well as make both manned and unmanned Mars exploration missions, attractive, realistic cost options.
i said "installing a methanol kit" not methanol as a substance
09-30-2010, 04:41 PM
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. The day is coming!!!!
09-30-2010, 05:14 PM
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Haha...trust me, I'm also waiting patiently. MBTEK has a few more little issues to resolve and on my car it goes. His results are phenomenal!!!! Can you imagine running 30 degrees below ambient from a dig and having meth kick in and staying close to ambient at WOT.... The day is coming!!!!
. The day is coming!!!!
09-30-2010, 07:01 PM
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e55 w/LET TUNE Drinks: vodka STRAIGHT Wheels: 19" HRE 547r Mods:FF headers ASP Pulley
im thinking of mounting the pump in the fender well and tapping the windshield wiper reservoir
thoughs?
thoughs?
09-30-2010, 07:34 PM
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I used 2 part epoxy to put the fitting in the tank and theres a small place behind the fender linning at the bottom that the pump will fit.
09-30-2010, 10:46 PM
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LOL! I was hoping you would have a good sense of humor about that.
10-01-2010, 03:54 AM
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Has there ever been a sticky thread kissing the ***'s of those who have pioneered projects, those who have made great DIY's, those who have spent countless hours and $$$ which in turn had helped out others in their decision / power making. Thanks guys
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For the record, my eyes are plastered to the A/C cooling mod thread but will remain envious of those with the ballz to run Meth.
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For the record, my eyes are plastered to the A/C cooling mod thread but will remain envious of those with the ballz to run Meth.
10-01-2010, 04:17 AM
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Here's a little screen shot of how a meth run will look when using ice at the track. This run was done in about 75-80 degree weather. Luckily I was able to get one run in immediately without no waiting time in the staging lanes. During the summer Sac gets crowded and staging time could be quite long. Most of my other runs started off at 80-90 degrees due to this even though I iced down before the run.
This is why MBTEK's mod will outperform ice in the typical TNT days. Most times it's not even worth the effort to ice down with crowded events.
Sorry about the RPM spikes, I'm working on resolving the problem....enjoy!
This is why MBTEK's mod will outperform ice in the typical TNT days. Most times it's not even worth the effort to ice down with crowded events.
Sorry about the RPM spikes, I'm working on resolving the problem....enjoy!
10-01-2010, 07:48 AM
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I assume without the meth, your IAT's would be 140+? That is insane!! Why are your RPMs spiking? Also, what pulley is that? I was under the impression that a 180 gave around 15lb boost. Thanks!!
10-01-2010, 07:53 AM
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Haha...trust me, I'm also waiting patiently. MBTEK has a few more little issues to resolve and on my car it goes. His results are phenomenal!!!! Can you imagine running 30 degrees below ambient from a dig and having meth kick in and staying close to ambient at WOT.... The day is coming!!!!
. The day is coming!!!! I am trying to figure out what the diff is between the $750 kit and the $650 kit. They look identical. It will be very interesting to see someone do this that has the time and patcience to dial it in. I think MBTEK is a busy guy
10-01-2010, 11:21 AM
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The rpm spikes are due to interference and I probably need to change the location of my ground wire.
As for the boost, I'm seeing around 14.5 at the begining of 3rd gear which slowly decreases throughout the gear. This same decrease happens in all gears.
10-02-2010, 02:12 AM
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Without meth my IAT's would be in the 150's on a full 1/4 mile pass, which includes no ice. I'm also running a 185 pulley along with the rear reservoir.
The rpm spikes are due to interference and I probably need to change the location of my ground wire.
As for the boost, I'm seeing around 14.5 at the begining of 3rd gear which slowly decreases throughout the gear. This same decrease happens in all gears.
The rpm spikes are due to interference and I probably need to change the location of my ground wire.
As for the boost, I'm seeing around 14.5 at the begining of 3rd gear which slowly decreases throughout the gear. This same decrease happens in all gears.
METHANOL INJECTION IS THE SHIIIIIIIT!!
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10-02-2010, 02:19 AM
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Without meth my IAT's would be in the 150's on a full 1/4 mile pass, which includes no ice. I'm also running a 185 pulley along with the rear reservoir.
The rpm spikes are due to interference and I probably need to change the location of my ground wire.
As for the boost, I'm seeing around 14.5 at the begining of 3rd gear which slowly decreases throughout the gear. This same decrease happens in all gears.
The rpm spikes are due to interference and I probably need to change the location of my ground wire.
As for the boost, I'm seeing around 14.5 at the begining of 3rd gear which slowly decreases throughout the gear. This same decrease happens in all gears.
heard this somewhere but i think all our cars do it..
10-02-2010, 06:24 AM
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Could also be some belt slippage , but I doubt the results would be that consistent.
10-02-2010, 11:21 AM
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Wow! That's funny I came from the dark side(Sti) to come to a daily driven 12 second comfortable 4 dr! That's ironic!
Haha, thats me! Heat soaked, no tune after new parts, probably had about 500rwhp that day before being heat soaked. Now, its a different story but IM TIRED OF BREAK DOWNS!
Im going over to the dark side!
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Im going over to the dark side!
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10-03-2010, 11:26 AM
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We (Sneakyneons help) just got done installing a meth kit on my friends car and it help a tremendously on his IAT's. His car went from 170 degrees up to 130+ mph to 104 at the same speeds.
10-03-2010, 10:08 PM
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I'm not sure why it does this but so far it's consistent with a few other cars with varying mods.
We (Sneakyneons help) just got done installing a meth kit on my friends car and it help a tremendously on his IAT's. His car went from 170 degrees up to 130+ mph to 104 at the same speeds.
We (Sneakyneons help) just got done installing a meth kit on my friends car and it help a tremendously on his IAT's. His car went from 170 degrees up to 130+ mph to 104 at the same speeds.
Yes those meth numbers seem right on
I did a quick 30-100mph pull with temps starting at 115 degrees and dropped to high 90s right before letting off
What PSI you have meth kicking in @? 1/3 of full boost is recommended according to my Setup but 7.4 is where i have it but might try it around 6 to see how it does- Full boost is around 14.6 psi.
Also have to look into how much is the ideal percentage of the Injector Duty Cycle...Currently set @ -10 i believe..All in all my AFR's stay in the 11.9s compared to mid-high 10's when reaching those 150 temps..Will comeback with more updates.
10-04-2010, 01:54 PM
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I’ll be test benching my system tonight in advance of my install. I would take pictures, but it will be crude. I am going to test spray into a pressurized vessel to determine the effects of pressure on the spray output, pattern and (perceived) atomization. I will also test the nozzle under vacuum to verify there is no fluid "Pulled".. Test will include pump, pressure switch, solenoid.
Another thing I want to see is pressure loss through different tubing lengths and speed at which pump comes on following trigger from pressure sender. I can hardly wait.
Another thing I want to see is pressure loss through different tubing lengths and speed at which pump comes on following trigger from pressure sender. I can hardly wait.
10-04-2010, 02:00 PM
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I’ll be test benching my system tonight in advance of my install. I would take pictures, but it will be crude. I am going to test spray into a pressurized vessel to determine the effects of pressure on the spray output, pattern and (perceived) atomization. I will also test the nozzle under vacuum to verify there is no fluid "Pulled".. Test will include pump, pressure switch, solenoid.
Another thing I want to see is pressure loss through different tubing lengths and speed at which pump comes on following trigger from pressure sender. I can hardly wait.
Another thing I want to see is pressure loss through different tubing lengths and speed at which pump comes on following trigger from pressure sender. I can hardly wait.
!The way my buddies system was tested is having the car running and manually activating the meth switch. The test resulted in a slight bog followed by very cold surge tank temps on both sides, almost ice cold to the touch.
Can't wait to see how your test turns out....
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10-04-2010, 02:00 PM
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I’ll be test benching my system tonight in advance of my install. I would take pictures, but it will be crude. I am going to test spray into a pressurized vessel to determine the effects of pressure on the spray output, pattern and (perceived) atomization. I will also test the nozzle under vacuum to verify there is no fluid "Pulled".. Test will include pump, pressure switch, solenoid.
Another thing I want to see is pressure loss through different tubing lengths and speed at which pump comes on following trigger from pressure sender. I can hardly wait.
Another thing I want to see is pressure loss through different tubing lengths and speed at which pump comes on following trigger from pressure sender. I can hardly wait.
10-04-2010, 09:40 PM
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I got the controller, but also picked up the hobbs. I plan on testing both. I expect I am going to ultimetly try to trigger off of the Zeitronix / Dashdaq. But for now, its all just testing to make sure things are doing what I think they are supposed to. This is a ***** of a job, and all my parts are inside the house. It will only get tougher when I try to add to the car.
You know shardul, its a fun project. The reason I don't think ill use the controller is because we come on boost so fast...
You know shardul, its a fun project. The reason I don't think ill use the controller is because we come on boost so fast...
