MarkoCL65

Let's say in a TOTALLY hypothetical situation that someone on this board gathered conclusive proof that a Tuner was blatantly misrepresenting the performance of their tunes and supporting mods. Should this person disclose these facts or should the truth come out? I can see a street racer or hustler misrepresent their set up in hopes of luring an unknowing opponent into a money race, but a Tuner? Is it right for a Tuner to flat out lie about the extent of the mods and upgraded components that are on a shop/customer car in order drive sales and make their tunes appear more capable? Let's also suppose that this tuner had all the employees sign a legal document to not disclose these "secret mods" under the threat of a major lawsuit? Would the existence of such a document mean that they are protecting their IP or hiding something? Again, totally hypothetical

Vic55

We we all know its not hypothetical or this post would not have occurred. So lets have at it and reveal the tuner. Tuners/Sponsors get called out here all the time and they have the right to rebutt and retort. Then when both sides have had their say, Ill close the thread

cal1

This someone should share this knowledge with the forum in an objective facts only manner. Hypothetically of course.

MB_Forever

Yes, this person should disclose such information to help prevent others from falling into the same trap. Otherwise, many unsuspecting victims will continue to get deceived, which essentially keeps benefiting the deceitful tuner, and in deed encouraging them to do even more.

I think I already know who we are talking about.... hypothetically of course

skratch77

spill the beans

MarkoCL65

So you'll close the thread before we get to hear everyone's input? It's been up only a few minutes? Can we discuss first? It is hypothetical you know.....

AMGPilot

You wouldn't be talking about tuners that have certain parts like for the sake of argument fuel injectors "Custom Built" when in fact they are buying parts off the shelf and marking them up

MarkoCL65

Not at all. It's more like "Our car runs XX.XX @XXX.XX with only a tune and exhaust" when in reality major components have been changed and there is more than just compressed air from turbos going into the intake system.

Benz-O-Rama

I, for one, am very interested in this hypothetical story.

Sounds like someone has been caught using NOS.

skratch77

im guessing your talking about the v12 turbo record car

MarkoCL65

For legal reasons it has to remain hypothetical....for now.....

So the question is......what would you do if you were in that situation? Hypothetically there is a legal document in effect which could expose a hypothetical former employee/emloyees of this Tuner to a lawsuit.......

MarkoCL65

Steel braided lines......not sure what's flowing through them

blackbenzz

Marko!!! Wussup man?

Dunno who or what it is you are referring to but misrepresenting your products in order to increase sales has to be illegal right? False advertisement. It's obviously wrong. Meth injection? E85?

PS you know if you say anything bad about a sponsor on here it will be deleted or you will be deleted lol So lets keep it hypothetical and give out clues hahaha

Edit: stainless lines going to intake? Either nitrous or fuel. And nobody sprays extra fuel without a little spray

MarkoCL65

What up you Crazy ****! Yeah it has to be illegal, I would think. I thought when I bought my first Michael Jordan shoes I'd be able to dunk like Mike!! Nike didn't say it directly but they sort of implied it.

blackbenzz

Haha you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to lower the rim!

Vic55

ummmmmm No- I think you mis read my post. I said both sides would chime in first and have their say. I then followed with smilies so really I was joking. Its just that having had to close many threads of tuner/sponsor disagreement- we generally allow for the involved parties to dialogue and then the peanut gallery posts and then it gets into supposition instead of factual. At that point the thread has gone off tangent so we close them down. Since this is a hypo thread, no worries

Im not closing anything- please continue

g354080

Hmm, Marko is from Chicago. What other tuner is in Chicago? Hmmm

SaMaS

Remmtech ?

i_am_amused

non-disclosure agreements are common and (can be) legally binding. However, if an illegal fraud is that which is not being disclosed, the non-disclosing parties might be considered acessories to that fraud, or maybe even co-conspirators (felony?), and if so, that NDA is (probably) null and void.

the hypothetical employees under threat of suit should consult with a not-so-hypothetical lawyer, and they better be damn sure what's being hypothetically covered up is in fact illegal.

I'm not a lawyer, but I spent a night in jail back in 1981 .

chawkins2001

this is going to get interesting.

V12Godspeed

So that's how this V12 outrapped your 65 huh? ....Naughty, Naughty naughtyyyy!!!

GHAZAN

Another homo hypothetical story....someone PM me when the beans are spilt

Thericker

I guessed @ this when the record was broken, Hypothetically RENNtech's CL65 owned by SGC? Hmmmmm just a Hypothetical guess... He said he had tried Meth but removed it as it showed ZERO improvements Maybe a small shot of Nitrous

sgtstanko

Decisions....decisions....

You must know this isnt the first time this has happened here or anywhere else do you? I was involved with a very prominate Dodge/Chrysler/SRT8 tuner who was garnered with accolades from Speed TV, Road and Track and the attention of DaimlerChrysler. Of course what he presented or represented did not always work the way it was suppossed to to the general public or Chrysler consumer.

It is always the "right thing to do" to expose these type of "shamsters", however are you ready for a frivoulous lawsuit, say for Libel/Slander or if a contract such as a Non Disclosure Agreement is in play a lawsuit claiming loss of income? In this economy it is the thing to do because now is the time when the herds of vendors who dont meet expectations will get thinned out. On the otherside will that vendor claim you hurt him financially? Of course he has to prove it in Court and that wont be cheap for him either.

Having been an old school Ford, Chevy, Chrysler guy I have been fleeced a few times. I see some of the claims and pricing from some of these suppliers and have to bite down hard on my tongue and not comment!!

I applaud the DIY guys...it sure is helping me not reinvent the wheel.......but I give some vendors their due because they did all the work, and most times they are the only game in town. Some of the ECU/TCM mods I see here have already been done by the Chrysler guys and dont understand the mystery behind Siemens/Bosch system.

Back to the original question.......how lucky do you feel?



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Benz-O-Rama

I guess another question would be: how does this "board member" have intimate knowledge and "conclusive proof" that these hypothetical steel braided lines that are a conduit for an "unknown substance" exist. Unless of course this board member is employed by the hypothetical tuner or has at least seen the hypothetical car up close.