What would you say if you found out that a "reputable" Tuner was lying about mods?
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What would you say if you found out that a "reputable" Tuner was lying about mods?
Let's say in a TOTALLY hypothetical situation that someone on this board gathered conclusive proof that a Tuner was blatantly misrepresenting the performance of their tunes and supporting mods. Should this person disclose these facts or should the truth come out? I can see a street racer or hustler misrepresent their set up in hopes of luring an unknowing opponent into a money race, but a Tuner? Is it right for a Tuner to flat out lie about the extent of the mods and upgraded components that are on a shop/customer car in order drive sales and make their tunes appear more capable? Let's also suppose that this tuner had all the employees sign a legal document to not disclose these "secret mods" under the threat of a major lawsuit? Would the existence of such a document mean that they are protecting their IP or hiding something? Again, totally hypothetical
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Let's say in a TOTALLY hypothetical situation that someone on this board gathered conclusive proof that a Tuner was blatantly misrepresenting the performance of their tunes and supporting mods. Should this person disclose these facts or should the truth come out? I can see a street racer or hustler misrepresent their set up in hopes of luring an unknowing opponent into a money race, but a Tuner? Is it right for a Tuner to flat out lie about the extent of the mods and upgraded components that are on a shop/customer car in order drive sales and make their tunes appear more capable? Let's also suppose that this tuner had all the employees sign a legal document to not disclose these "secret mods" under the threat of a major lawsuit? Would the existence of such a document mean that they are protecting their IP or hiding something? Again, totally hypothetical
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Let's say in a TOTALLY hypothetical situation that someone on this board gathered conclusive proof that a Tuner was blatantly misrepresenting the performance of their tunes and supporting mods. Should this person disclose these facts or should the truth come out? I can see a street racer or hustler misrepresent their set up in hopes of luring an unknowing opponent into a money race, but a Tuner? Is it right for a Tuner to flat out lie about the extent of the mods and upgraded components that are on a shop/customer car in order to make their tunes appear more capable? Let's also suppose that this tuner had all the employees sign a legal document to not disclose these "secret mods" under the threat of a major lawsuit? Would the existence of such a document mean that they are protecting their IP or hiding something? Again, totally hypothetical
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Yes, this person should disclose such information to help prevent others from falling into the same trap. Otherwise, many unsuspecting victims will continue to get deceived, which essentially keeps benefiting the deceitful tuner, and in deed encouraging them to do even more.
I think I already know who we are talking about.... hypothetically of course
I think I already know who we are talking about.... hypothetically of course
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So you'll close the thread before we get to hear everyone's input? It's been up only a few minutes? Can we discuss first? It is hypothetical you know.....
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You wouldn't be talking about tuners that have certain parts like for the sake of argument fuel injectors "Custom Built" when in fact they are buying parts off the shelf and marking them up
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Not at all. It's more like "Our car runs XX.XX @XXX.XX with only a tune and exhaust" when in reality major components have been changed and there is more than just compressed air from turbos going into the intake system.
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For legal reasons it has to remain hypothetical....for now.....
So the question is......what would you do if you were in that situation? Hypothetically there is a legal document in effect which could expose a hypothetical former employee/emloyees of this Tuner to a lawsuit.......
So the question is......what would you do if you were in that situation? Hypothetically there is a legal document in effect which could expose a hypothetical former employee/emloyees of this Tuner to a lawsuit.......
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Marko!!! Wussup man?
Dunno who or what it is you are referring to but misrepresenting your products in order to increase sales has to be illegal right? False advertisement. It's obviously wrong. Meth injection? E85?
PS you know if you say anything bad about a sponsor on here it will be deleted or you will be deleted lol So lets keep it hypothetical and give out clues hahaha
Edit: stainless lines going to intake? Either nitrous or fuel. And nobody sprays extra fuel without a little spray
Dunno who or what it is you are referring to but misrepresenting your products in order to increase sales has to be illegal right? False advertisement. It's obviously wrong. Meth injection? E85?
PS you know if you say anything bad about a sponsor on here it will be deleted or you will be deleted lol So lets keep it hypothetical and give out clues hahaha
Edit: stainless lines going to intake? Either nitrous or fuel. And nobody sprays extra fuel without a little spray
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Marko!!! Wussup man?
Dunno who or what it is you are referring to but misrepresenting your products in order to increase sales has to be illegal right? False advertisement. It's obviously wrong. Meth injection? E85?
PS you know if you say anything bad about a sponsor on here it will be deleted or you will be deleted lol So lets keep it hypothetical and give out clues hahaha
Dunno who or what it is you are referring to but misrepresenting your products in order to increase sales has to be illegal right? False advertisement. It's obviously wrong. Meth injection? E85?
PS you know if you say anything bad about a sponsor on here it will be deleted or you will be deleted lol So lets keep it hypothetical and give out clues hahaha
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Im not closing anything- please continue
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non-disclosure agreements are common and (can be) legally binding. However, if an illegal fraud is that which is not being disclosed, the non-disclosing parties might be considered acessories to that fraud, or maybe even co-conspirators (felony?), and if so, that NDA is (probably) null and void.
the hypothetical employees under threat of suit should consult with a not-so-hypothetical lawyer, and they better be damn sure what's being hypothetically covered up is in fact illegal.
I'm not a lawyer, but I spent a night in jail back in 1981.
the hypothetical employees under threat of suit should consult with a not-so-hypothetical lawyer, and they better be damn sure what's being hypothetically covered up is in fact illegal.
I'm not a lawyer, but I spent a night in jail back in 1981
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I guessed @ this when the record was broken, Hypothetically RENNtech's CL65 owned by SGC? Hmmmmm just a Hypothetical guess... He said he had tried Meth but removed it as it showed ZERO improvements
Maybe a small shot of Nitrous
He said he had tried Meth but removed it as it showed ZERO improvements Maybe a small shot of Nitrous
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Let's say in a TOTALLY hypothetical situation that someone on this board gathered conclusive proof that a Tuner was blatantly misrepresenting the performance of their tunes and supporting mods. Should this person disclose these facts or should the truth come out? I can see a street racer or hustler misrepresent their set up in hopes of luring an unknowing opponent into a money race, but a Tuner? Is it right for a Tuner to flat out lie about the extent of the mods and upgraded components that are on a shop/customer car in order drive sales and make their tunes appear more capable? Let's also suppose that this tuner had all the employees sign a legal document to not disclose these "secret mods" under the threat of a major lawsuit? Would the existence of such a document mean that they are protecting their IP or hiding something? Again, totally hypothetical
Decisions....decisions....
You must know this isnt the first time this has happened here or anywhere else do you? I was involved with a very prominate Dodge/Chrysler/SRT8 tuner who was garnered with accolades from Speed TV, Road and Track and the attention of DaimlerChrysler. Of course what he presented or represented did not always work the way it was suppossed to to the general public or Chrysler consumer.
It is always the "right thing to do" to expose these type of "shamsters", however are you ready for a frivoulous lawsuit, say for Libel/Slander or if a contract such as a Non Disclosure Agreement is in play a lawsuit claiming loss of income? In this economy it is the thing to do because now is the time when the herds of vendors who dont meet expectations will get thinned out. On the otherside will that vendor claim you hurt him financially? Of course he has to prove it in Court and that wont be cheap for him either.
Having been an old school Ford, Chevy, Chrysler guy I have been fleeced a few times. I see some of the claims and pricing from some of these suppliers and have to bite down hard on my tongue and not comment!!
I applaud the DIY guys...it sure is helping me not reinvent the wheel.......but I give some vendors their due because they did all the work, and most times they are the only game in town. Some of the ECU/TCM mods I see here have already been done by the Chrysler guys and dont understand the mystery behind Siemens/Bosch system.
Back to the original question.......how lucky do you feel?
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I guess another question would be: how does this "board member" have intimate knowledge and "conclusive proof" that these hypothetical steel braided lines that are a conduit for an "unknown substance" exist. Unless of course this board member is employed by the hypothetical tuner or has at least seen the hypothetical car up close.
