Saw a benz put down crazy numbers on dyno today
09-19-2010, 03:59 PM
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The whole point of this thread was to show everybody that dynos dont mean much and comparing dynos is not smart. I see it happen all the time, compare one cars peak numbers with anothers. I'm sure one of the settings was off or something in the dyno. Again, I dont believe the numbers.
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09-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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Guys, I only read the first post so I am commenting on that alone.
Is this CPE's dyno?
If so this thread is meaningless as they have been having issues with that dyno calibration.
They are working on it, but I don't think I would trust either hp or torque...afr maybe.
Charles Speed6 put down like 500 ft/lb's and ran a 13.5 at MIR on Friday.
That fan is kick as though
Is this CPE's dyno?
If so this thread is meaningless as they have been having issues with that dyno calibration.
They are working on it, but I don't think I would trust either hp or torque...afr maybe.
Charles Speed6 put down like 500 ft/lb's and ran a 13.5 at MIR on Friday.
That fan is kick as though
09-19-2010, 05:56 PM
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I just showed you a dyno that was set up to run 3rd gear on a e55,we put in the numbers and drove the car to 3000 rpms and held it there to set the dyno up and looked what happened when it ran in second gear lol
in 3rd the car put down 450ftlb 390whp in second it put down 627ftlb!!!
in 3rd the car put down 450ftlb 390whp in second it put down 627ftlb!!!
Ahmad, I just can't stop laughing! seriously, 683whp and 774wtq is REAL, I saw that with my own eyes, so I don't know why you blame it on a dyno. That SL got all Renntech goodies and still had low numbers, so if it were all three cars had crazy numbers than I would believe that dyno is wrong. 2nd car was mine and 608ftlb is a lot, and I am sure it was a little off, but still. Sl63 had low numbers, mine was about okay, but "this other benz" guy had the monster car, so I don't know why are you complaining!
Guys, I only read the first post so I am commenting on that alone.
Is this CPE's dyno?
If so this thread is meaningless as they have been having issues with that dyno calibration.
They are working on it, but I don't think I would trust either hp or torque...afr maybe.
Charles Speed6 put down like 500 ft/lb's and ran a 13.5 at MIR on Friday.
That fan is kick as though
Is this CPE's dyno?
If so this thread is meaningless as they have been having issues with that dyno calibration.
They are working on it, but I don't think I would trust either hp or torque...afr maybe.
Charles Speed6 put down like 500 ft/lb's and ran a 13.5 at MIR on Friday.
That fan is kick as though
09-19-2010, 05:58 PM
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09-19-2010, 06:11 PM
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I'm not saying this to call out anyone, more so as a general statement. Its just as important to have a good, knowledgeable, dyno operator. When cars are putting out diesel F350 power numbers. Its a red flag.
I may have the paint, canvas, and bushes, but it doesn't make me Bob Ross.
On the flip side, dyno numbers are important. On a good machine with a good operator and tuner. It just about always means you will be faster at the track. Having the ability to do part throttle tuning is IMO just as important to tuning WOT. You might have a great track car under WOT, but if going to the corner store is a pain in the butt. You've got some issues.
With the correct equipment, you can hold the car under load at a set RPM range. In fact tuning the car ever 100 or so RPMs if needed. That is something you really can't do at the track or on the street. IMO, it makes some dyno's worth their weight.
I may have the paint, canvas, and bushes, but it doesn't make me Bob Ross.
On the flip side, dyno numbers are important. On a good machine with a good operator and tuner. It just about always means you will be faster at the track. Having the ability to do part throttle tuning is IMO just as important to tuning WOT. You might have a great track car under WOT, but if going to the corner store is a pain in the butt. You've got some issues.
With the correct equipment, you can hold the car under load at a set RPM range. In fact tuning the car ever 100 or so RPMs if needed. That is something you really can't do at the track or on the street. IMO, it makes some dyno's worth their weight.
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09-19-2010, 08:23 PM
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What kind of 55 was it? What was the model of the car?
09-19-2010, 08:28 PM
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This is my opinion and it is at best just a guess at what could've happened:
First.... from what we know about E55k engines since their introduction until today, which is roughly 8 to 9 years now, is that 99% of all modded E55k engines with all the known bolt-ons and cams (having quality parts that are properly installed and properly tuned) usually dyno somewhere between 500 and 550 rwhp. Yes we have a couple of exception cars that were able to get close to 600 rwhp but on an extremely low-reading dyno, almost all E55k cars fall under the 550 rwhp mark. Having a car that dynos almost 135 rwhp extra is definitely out of the ordinary.
Given the above information, I would think that it is more likely that there was an fluke or error from the dyno machine or caliberation software than having someone discover a secret bolt-on part that adds over 130 rwhp and even more torque
For what it's worth, when I dynoed my car one day at a Mustang dyno, previous cars dynoed okay but my car dynoed at 500+ rwhp (100% stock). I'm not sure what causes these variations and I'm not technical enough in dyno operation to explain possibilities, but I do know that it happens and have witnessed countless of times on different machines and different cars. So I do agree with you Ahmad that dyno numbers are just not the absolute authority. Track numbers or real-world live condition numbers are much more reliable. As many have said before, dynos are good for comparing the effects of mods given that you try to fix all other conditions except the mod you are changing.
Please note that I'm not saying it is not possible, I'm merely guessing that it is imporabable.
First.... from what we know about E55k engines since their introduction until today, which is roughly 8 to 9 years now, is that 99% of all modded E55k engines with all the known bolt-ons and cams (having quality parts that are properly installed and properly tuned) usually dyno somewhere between 500 and 550 rwhp. Yes we have a couple of exception cars that were able to get close to 600 rwhp but on an extremely low-reading dyno, almost all E55k cars fall under the 550 rwhp mark. Having a car that dynos almost 135 rwhp extra is definitely out of the ordinary.
Given the above information, I would think that it is more likely that there was an fluke or error from the dyno machine or caliberation software than having someone discover a secret bolt-on part that adds over 130 rwhp and even more torque
For what it's worth, when I dynoed my car one day at a Mustang dyno, previous cars dynoed okay but my car dynoed at 500+ rwhp (100% stock). I'm not sure what causes these variations and I'm not technical enough in dyno operation to explain possibilities, but I do know that it happens and have witnessed countless of times on different machines and different cars. So I do agree with you Ahmad that dyno numbers are just not the absolute authority. Track numbers or real-world live condition numbers are much more reliable. As many have said before, dynos are good for comparing the effects of mods given that you try to fix all other conditions except the mod you are changing.Please note that I'm not saying it is not possible, I'm merely guessing that it is imporabable.
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09-19-2010, 08:57 PM
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Went to a shop today where a tuner was tuning a few benzes. It was a nice AWD mustang dyno with a reallyyy nice fan supposedly able to simulate up to 80mph driving conditions.
Is 683whp extreme low hp to you? I saw them enter the correct curb weight. How does strapping a car down tight effect the numbers? Since I dont care much about dynos I never really paid much attention to the factors that go into the numbers
Take it out for a spin and the thing spins tires HARDDDD at 50mph and just keeps spinning em until you let off the throttle. Hmmm. At that point I say the only way I believe that number is if I see a 1/4 mile pass. So we slapped some drag radials on it and rushed to the closest redneck track.
Is 683whp extreme low hp to you?
I saw them enter the correct curb weight. How does strapping a car down tight effect the numbers? Since I dont care much about dynos I never really paid much attention to the factors that go into the numbersTake it out for a spin and the thing spins tires HARDDDD at 50mph and just keeps spinning em until you let off the throttle. Hmmm. At that point I say the only way I believe that number is if I see a 1/4 mile pass. So we slapped some drag radials on it and rushed to the closest redneck track.
Dyno test for us morons , you thought the car was a FREAK plain & simple, to the point you ran out & road shot-gun, swapped rad's on tried to 1/4 it etc... Then defended your 1st post by making more incorrect guesses/assumptions on other cars run @ same dyno WTF? I could give a rats *** about impressing you or driving 5 hrs roundtrip to Famoso (closest 1/4 to me) in 90-100+ degree heat
Originally Posted by blackbenzz
I saw them enter the correct curb weight. How does strapping a car down tight effect the numbers?
I saw them enter the correct curb weight. How does strapping a car down tight effect the numbers?
But, why such a discrepancy between the hp on the cars if the settings were the same for all three cars?
Originally Posted by blackbenzz Like you said it was in 2nd gear. This was in 3rd
The dyno operator says he wants to see how much torque the car makes down low since peak torque is made at low rpms in these cars and then falls off as rpm goes up.
I tried to go before Summer temps hit, bought brand new Drag/tire/wheel/spacer setup installed it, bought $75 worth of race gas etc.. & my Coil packs took a *****.. I'll go when I go, quit your yappin'....
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09-19-2010, 09:27 PM
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Guys, I only read the first post so I am commenting on that alone.
Is this CPE's dyno?
If so this thread is meaningless as they have been having issues with that dyno calibration.
They are working on it, but I don't think I would trust either hp or torque...afr maybe.
Charles Speed6 put down like 500 ft/lb's and ran a 13.5 at MIR on Friday.
That fan is kick as though
Is this CPE's dyno?
If so this thread is meaningless as they have been having issues with that dyno calibration.
They are working on it, but I don't think I would trust either hp or torque...afr maybe.
Charles Speed6 put down like 500 ft/lb's and ran a 13.5 at MIR on Friday.
That fan is kick as though
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09-19-2010, 10:05 PM
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oh man, you seriously over reacted. I made Ahmad(blackbenzz) to post this thread just to show all the people that put stock in dynos that they dont show the whole story. It was my idea to post this thread, but I would never expect so much negative and hate comments on this thread.
09-19-2010, 11:13 PM
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Guy just admit you didn't know what you were talking about & asked the board why? how? who? Instead of trying to turn it around on me or into SUPPOSED Dyno test for us morons , you thought the car was a FREAK plain & simple, to the point you ran out & road shot-gun, swapped rad's on tried to 1/4 it etc...
Really 3rd gear huh? Is that where ALL the low end Torque is
Dyno test for us morons , you thought the car was a FREAK plain & simple, to the point you ran out & road shot-gun, swapped rad's on tried to 1/4 it etc... Really 3rd gear huh? Is that where ALL the low end Torque is
I thought the car was a freak huh? To the point that I "road" shotgun What if I told you I've driven this car down the 1/4 prior to this tune/dyno and I guarantee it would wax that SL you think is so fast 
Why don't you call the tuner that's listed in your sig and see what I said about this cars dyno numbers? I said there is no friggin way those numbers are right. RepeatedlyI travel about 4hrs round trip to go to MIR and have travelled upward of 22hrs round trip to run. Luckily I wouldn't let a bad coil pack keep me from the track, I've had to fix much worse.
I said low rpm torque moron. Yes these cars make the most torque at low rpms (regardless of gear) but surely you already knew that from all the online dyno studying you have done right? haha So if you start the dyno pull at 3000rpm+ you wont get the true max torque reading since it is likely somewhere below that rpm.
Not gonna waste my time arguing with you any further. Several people were there and I talked to others about it and they know how I feel about the numbers. It is also well established that I put no weight in dyno numbers and only care about the dyno that doesn't lie... the 1320'
You can continue calling people out on stuff like you are some kind of know it all while the rest of us sit back and laugh or you can learn from others and be productive. I will be at the track running my car but I'm sure you will just continue to run your mouth.
09-20-2010, 08:38 AM
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.......I think I know the car that made those crazy numbers and the car is no slouch. Given the car's previous et's a counter argument could be made that this latest dyno, while it may or may not neccessary accurate is more representative of the car's power output than previous dyno numbers. Otherwise, it would mean that the car potentially could go faster in the 1/4 than it has done in the past. That will be amazing!
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09-20-2010, 11:20 AM
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If only you knew how stupid you sound right now I thought the car was a freak huh? To the point that I "road" shotgun What if I told you I've driven this car down the 1/4 prior to this tune/dyno and I guarantee it would wax that SL you think is so fast ***********hahahahhahahah****** Why don't you call the tuner that's listed in your sig and see what I said about this cars dyno numbers? I said there is no friggin way those numbers are right. Repeatedly
I travel about 4hrs round trip to go to MIR and have travelled upward of 22hrs round trip to run. Luckily I wouldn't let a bad coil pack keep me from the track, I've had to fix much worse.
I said low rpm torque moron
. Yes these cars make the most torque at low rpms (regardless of gear) but surely you already knew that from all the online dyno studying you have done right? haha So if you start the dyno pull at 3000rpm+ you wont get the true max torque reading since it is likely somewhere below that rpm.
Not gonna waste my time arguing with you any further. Several people were there and I talked to others about it and they know how I feel about the numbers. It is also well established that I put no weight in dyno numbers and only care about the dyno that doesn't lie... the 1320'
You can continue calling people out on stuff like you are some kind of know it all while the rest of us sit back and laugh or you can learn from others and be productive. I will be at the track running my car but I'm sure you will just continue to run your mouth.
I thought the car was a freak huh? To the point that I "road" shotgun What if I told you I've driven this car down the 1/4 prior to this tune/dyno and I guarantee it would wax that SL you think is so fast ***********hahahahhahahah****** Why don't you call the tuner that's listed in your sig and see what I said about this cars dyno numbers? I said there is no friggin way those numbers are right. RepeatedlyI travel about 4hrs round trip to go to MIR and have travelled upward of 22hrs round trip to run. Luckily I wouldn't let a bad coil pack keep me from the track, I've had to fix much worse.
I said low rpm torque moron
. Yes these cars make the most torque at low rpms (regardless of gear) but surely you already knew that from all the online dyno studying you have done right? haha So if you start the dyno pull at 3000rpm+ you wont get the true max torque reading since it is likely somewhere below that rpm.Not gonna waste my time arguing with you any further. Several people were there and I talked to others about it and they know how I feel about the numbers. It is also well established that I put no weight in dyno numbers and only care about the dyno that doesn't lie... the 1320'
You can continue calling people out on stuff like you are some kind of know it all while the rest of us sit back and laugh or you can learn from others and be productive. I will be at the track running my car but I'm sure you will just continue to run your mouth.
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09-20-2010, 03:53 PM
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awesome!
its great to see someone else calling out thericker cause he is the biggest online RICER ever talking all godly about a SL he is scared to run because it MIGHT be a huge upset, and he dosent have enough time to go run cause his personal life is spent on MBW. but all this is hypothetical.
its great to see someone else calling out thericker cause he is the biggest online RICER ever talking all godly about a SL he is scared to run because it MIGHT be a huge upset, and he dosent have enough time to go run cause his personal life is spent on MBW. but all this is hypothetical.
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I know I get cotroversial, but if you re-read the thread from the get, you'll see I respectfully answered Ahmads Dyno Q's UNTIL he called me Stupid/Moron & told me to quit my yappin' my mouth etc..
Please show me WHERE I was being hatefull/etc in those 1st retorts, I was honestly trying to answer the Qs he posted to the board
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
First pull was done normally. People were added to the trunk and straps were ratcheted tighter for the pull afterwards where it spun tires.
Why are you trying to argue with me? I've said time and time again dyno numbers dont matter, 1/4 mile does. I think I've gone out and ran my slips numerous times. Ive never posted any dyno graphs. You must have missed the whole going to 1/4 mile part. Speaking of which, when are we ever getting any times out of your car?
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First pull was done normally. People were added to the trunk and straps were ratcheted tighter for the pull afterwards where it spun tires.
Why are you trying to argue with me? I've said time and time again dyno numbers dont matter, 1/4 mile does. I think I've gone out and ran my slips numerous times. Ive never posted any dyno graphs. You must have missed the whole going to 1/4 mile part. Speaking of which, when are we ever getting any times out of your car?
Soooo.... Do you guys believe in dynos? I am in shock at this point. All I keep murmuring is "impossible, that cant be, no way". Keep in mind this car had no nitrous, no icing down, and 93 octane.
Re-read what I posted earlier, wasn't trying to argue, you asked for answers I gave mine.. It's all good guy
Don't get bent I'm just relaying what I've pain-stakingly learned thru the years studying dyno's here & around the web/in person etc...
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09-20-2010, 08:04 PM
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You have PM, I'm really trying here so please do likewise... My temper is admittedly short..
You said we're ALL laughing @ you (I know/heard you 2 are now dating, obviously assumed she was w/you laughing etc) So I said "Have a nice wknd w/Angie" WASN'T FOLLOWED w/ANY Evil/Mean SMILEY's etc..
NOTHING ELSE, take it how you wish...
You said we're ALL laughing @ you (I know/heard you 2 are now dating, obviously assumed she was w/you laughing etc) So I said "Have a nice wknd w/Angie"
WASN'T FOLLOWED w/ANY Evil/Mean SMILEY's etc..NOTHING ELSE, take it how you wish...
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09-20-2010, 09:00 PM
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We were talking cars and you made it personal. You are as classless as they come. Yes your posts were dbag comments. Go look back and read your posts PRE editing. You edited every one of your posts and they are still standoffish and demeaning. No excuse for bringing her name into this. Justify it to yourself however you want, it just shows what kind of person you are
