air conditioner to cool down IAT...is it possible?
09-21-2010, 10:50 PM
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I have seen first hand at what a system like this can do. I personally watched his IAT's go from 85 degrees down to 55 while in the staging lanes. His system by far outperformed my reservoir at a crowded TNT day. His IAT's stayed around 50-60 while mine went to 80-90 (started with ice but long staging times kill that) while waiting 15-20 minutes in the lane...
Hopefully he will post up once he's ready, but I assure you it is working and fully operational.
BTW...he has no reservoir, upgraded HE, and his system is not even split....
. This will be going on my car once he dials in everything and I'll update you guys.
Hopefully he will post up once he's ready, but I assure you it is working and fully operational.
BTW...he has no reservoir, upgraded HE, and his system is not even split....
. This will be going on my car once he dials in everything and I'll update you guys.
09-21-2010, 11:11 PM
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I have seen first hand at what a system like this can do. I personally watched his IAT's go from 85 degrees down to 55 while in the staging lanes. His system by far outperformed my reservoir at a crowded TNT day. His IAT's stayed around 50-60 while mine went to 80-90 (started with ice but long staging times kill that) while waiting 15-20 minutes in the lane...
Hopefully he will post up once he's ready, but I assure you it is working and fully operational.
BTW...he has no reservoir, upgraded HE, and his system is not even split..... This will be going on my car once he dials in everything and I'll update you guys.
Hopefully he will post up once he's ready, but I assure you it is working and fully operational.
BTW...he has no reservoir, upgraded HE, and his system is not even split....
. This will be going on my car once he dials in everything and I'll update you guys.
09-21-2010, 11:29 PM
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If your a/c is cooling intake temps what will cool the inside of your car? I live in TX and no way am I diverting a/c power for colder intake air, sorry. Either way I doubt the a/c would make much of a difference. Methanol injection would prob help more.
09-21-2010, 11:39 PM
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it doesnt divert your A/C's entire resources. only a small portion. from my understanding its effects on your cabin cooling is negligible if any...
09-22-2010, 12:24 AM
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Just to note, I have water/meth installed on my car and it works fantastic. This mod combined with my meth....oh damn!!!! I raced my car on a 95 degree day with IAT's never going above 90 degrees up to 135 mph.
09-22-2010, 02:34 AM
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I've been waiting to hear about something like this for 4 years.
Please let us know if we can help in any way possible to stream line this mod to the masses.
I've been waiting to hear about something like this for 4 years.
Please let us know if we can help in any way possible to stream line this mod to the masses.
09-22-2010, 06:26 AM
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Although I am optimistic about such a thing, for cooling our IATS, even though I am a V-12 TT. I can only tell you that the engineer in me says it can not work.
Meaning NO free lunch here guys.
By definition of man made products, aka NOTHING is 100% efficient.
The energy to compress the gas, refrigerant, will exceed the pay backs from the IAT decrease.
Keep in mind that all of the process, aka cooling the refrigerant, 70-80% efficient at best. Our inter coolers, even less due to surface area.
Oh well, I don't mean to kill anyone's fun, but I am very apprehensive at best.
Good luck
Sorry guys but there is NO such thing as a perpetual motion machine, at least with our current technology
Meaning NO free lunch here guys.
By definition of man made products, aka NOTHING is 100% efficient.
The energy to compress the gas, refrigerant, will exceed the pay backs from the IAT decrease.
Keep in mind that all of the process, aka cooling the refrigerant, 70-80% efficient at best. Our inter coolers, even less due to surface area.
Oh well, I don't mean to kill anyone's fun, but I am very apprehensive at best.
Good luck
Sorry guys but there is NO such thing as a perpetual motion machine, at least with our current technology
It might cost you (somewhere along the line) but the gains could be larger. Another thing is I heard / read somewhere that the aircon compressor has no clutch - it runs all the time - so if its cooling IAT's in the process it might be a free lunch....
My next mod.... for sure.
09-22-2010, 06:41 AM
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09-22-2010, 07:38 AM
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C218 CLS63TT PP Edition1, W213 E63S
kit mg4 is
Optional: Modify the translation
(MG supercharger kit Stage 2)
Special intercooler.
And additional fuel pump
V-max limit at 335 km / h 25.500, - €
can someone help us with better translaition of their all kits and what the consist of.
Optional: Modify the translation
(MG supercharger kit Stage 2)
Special intercooler.
And additional fuel pump
V-max limit at 335 km / h 25.500, - €
can someone help us with better translaition of their all kits and what the consist of.
09-22-2010, 08:13 AM
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MG 1
ECU
Mg 2
ECU
modified exhaust system
modified catalysts with Quick-Time-Electric-Cutout
Vmax delete
optional: pulley
Mg 3
ECU
Vmax delete
modified exhaust system
pulley
cams
headers
MG 4
gearing
pulley (MG Stage 2)
special intercooling
additional fuel pump
recommend:
MG-differential lock
MG-competition DTM differential lock
ECU
Mg 2
ECU
modified exhaust system
modified catalysts with Quick-Time-Electric-Cutout
Vmax delete
optional: pulley
Mg 3
ECU
Vmax delete
modified exhaust system
pulley
cams
headers
MG 4
gearing
pulley (MG Stage 2)
special intercooling
additional fuel pump
recommend:
MG-differential lock
MG-competition DTM differential lock
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09-22-2010, 09:18 AM
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I see where you are coming from but if the ECU pulls timing robbing you of 50hp (conservatively) and this thing costs 20hp to run (which is ALLOT), then you still up 30hp...
It might cost you (somewhere along the line) but the gains could be larger. Another thing is I heard / read somewhere that the aircon compressor has no clutch - it runs all the time - so if its cooling IAT's in the process it might be a free lunch....
My next mod.... for sure.
It might cost you (somewhere along the line) but the gains could be larger. Another thing is I heard / read somewhere that the aircon compressor has no clutch - it runs all the time - so if its cooling IAT's in the process it might be a free lunch....
My next mod.... for sure.
09-22-2010, 09:34 AM
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Will this system effect my in cab temperatures?
You will see about an average of 5-7 degrees increase in the in cab temps under optimum conditions, but you can also adjust the refrigerant level to have more cooling in the cab, and less in the KC, by the same token you can adjust your refrigerant levels to see more cooling in the KC , and less in the cab.
You will see about an average of 5-7 degrees increase in the in cab temps under optimum conditions, but you can also adjust the refrigerant level to have more cooling in the cab, and less in the KC, by the same token you can adjust your refrigerant levels to see more cooling in the KC , and less in the cab.
09-22-2010, 09:49 AM
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The idea behind the system is to help get iat's as low as possible at the begining of the run. Once the car is at high loads or wot the AC will shutoff and no hp will be loss. With this being the case you don't get the benefits of having it cool iat's when under wot. All though it will benefit the run by having cooled down your IATs the initial 50 degrees at the begining of the run.
Like I said earlier, he has the 180 pulley with upgraded HE without the split circuit. On a 80-90 degree day his iat's never exceeded anything past 130 in the 1/4 mile. For people who have the rear reservoir this mod will only benefit them that much more. Now, for the people running meth....could you imagine starting off at 50 degrees or less on a warm summer day and having your iats go no higher than 90 degrees up to 140-150 mph!!! The time is coming.
Like I said earlier, he has the 180 pulley with upgraded HE without the split circuit. On a 80-90 degree day his iat's never exceeded anything past 130 in the 1/4 mile. For people who have the rear reservoir this mod will only benefit them that much more. Now, for the people running meth....could you imagine starting off at 50 degrees or less on a warm summer day and having your iats go no higher than 90 degrees up to 140-150 mph!!! The time is coming.
09-22-2010, 11:14 AM
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This is very promising. For those that interest in the kit should call the company and sho interest in the kit. The more people call, the faster the kit will be available. Just saying.
09-22-2010, 11:23 AM
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How would one get around the problem of dripping condensation all over the starting line? Once track official see water dripping from under your car, they're not going to let you run.
Most of our cars have those belly trays underneath the engine compartment. That thing will most likely fill up with water while we're waiting in the staging lanes, no? Wouldn't that cause a small pool of water to dump out of the back of the pan while exiting your burnout?
I wonder if a catch can of sorts can be used somewhere.
Most of our cars have those belly trays underneath the engine compartment. That thing will most likely fill up with water while we're waiting in the staging lanes, no? Wouldn't that cause a small pool of water to dump out of the back of the pan while exiting your burnout?
I wonder if a catch can of sorts can be used somewhere.
09-22-2010, 12:06 PM
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I think thats just it - I think the compressor on our cars does not turn off, when you turn off the aircon the air cooling into the car switches off but the compressor is a static unit (at least) thats what I remember being told, and there is still the parasitic loss from it.
Please correct me if I am wrong. The load on the compressor may vary I guess but cant imagine it will be a big difference, so thats why I am thinking this could be a free ride to cooler IAT's
Please correct me if I am wrong. The load on the compressor may vary I guess but cant imagine it will be a big difference, so thats why I am thinking this could be a free ride to cooler IAT's
09-23-2010, 05:23 AM
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i hope they start doing it, really need a thing like this in our weather to cool our IATs, really don't care about AC in car coz i only drive it at night.
09-28-2010, 04:24 PM
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09-28-2010, 05:09 PM
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can anyone confirm that IAT is the only parameter that pulls timing. Now if we get the IATs in control and some other factor is still pulling timing
09-28-2010, 07:13 PM
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I called them. They confirmed that they've done a few E55. The only things different from kits to kits are the fittings, hose length, and brackets. He should have the pricing for me tomorrow. I'll do this instead of meth.
