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I was just up for the day, and headed back to San Diego for (ugh) work tomorrow. Are you going to come back on the 4th for Famoso? I sure want to see you fabrication work first hand, and see that bad boy run. Have fun and stay out of trouble!
haha too bad man... I can't make it to December 4th because I'll be out of the country until January for business trip!
Work sucks...
Regardless, yah... I've been trying to stay out of trouble but its tempting when I drive around with a Canadian Plate and licence! haha
Trust me, we had a few of our late night runs in "mexico"! haha
Originally Posted by BlownV8
MKB looks to be using a shorter core than these. ShangoAshe's should flow better with less pressure loss.
Hey man, thanks you totally hit the spot. Well the easiest way to give you a sense of the difference between the MBK's and the ones that I have is efficiency.
The TMIC I have has a better design focused on flow and making sure that all the banks get through the Intercoolers. Efficiency is key to a good intercooler setup.
Both TMIC's are going to be a ***** when it comes time to change the plugs, though the benefits far out weigh the hastle.
I agree, Shango's set up is more efficient.
are the tmic taller then the oem airboxes in the the space they occupy? were do you plan to run the air intakes? i love the setup! if they clean up the welds this would be show quality with function!
Nice work Shango......first time I'm seeing your pictures from under the S/C. Killer craftsmanship on the top mounts. and intake sytem under the s/c. Nice work man.
I'm bringing this back for discussion purposes. Has ANYONE gotten any of these projects to work as planned? Is there any empirical data of a before and after scenario?
This was 4 years ago and the last time Shango posted was over 6 months ago. Sure his car is quick, but is it any quicker than a well chilled stock intercooler system? I've still got a little hope left for a 30-40hp increase. (for everyone's cars, mine is just a paper weight at the moment.)
It seems There just isn't a whole lot of room for the coolers on top and room for the intake tubes.
The Long tubes in this thread looked like a fun design, but the welds are a bit... well... like my NPI stuff. I'm glad they used a Vibrant (Fabrication parts manufacturer) Collector. Best bang for the buck if you ask me.
I'm sure the top mounts looked that way because of time constraints. Doesn't mean they perform any worse than pretty ones. Evidenced by the first effort that clearly had time available to make (empty pathway underneath Supercharger) and it looked very much like something I would have made without being rushed. - I thought that piece looked very nice.
SO.. I've seen many attempts and no Hard data on success on these things. Tough to read. This is certainly not from any lack of monumental effort on everyone's part though.
I had high hopes on Vinny's - finny's? SLR adapted cooler. He has yet to finish, and probably wont. I couldn't find MKB on the internet. There were some hideous box pieces that never panned out.
I could spend the time, but I don't see why I would yet. I'm still researching. So many dead ends.
Has anyone looked into Laminova cores? We have used a few of these at our shop for very tight spaces. Here is an example as applied to the Cadillac CTS-V.
Here is a quote from that page.
"The science of the Laminova design is to create huge surface area with minimal air flow restriction. The very thin fins, 0.2 mm each, along each Laminova tube collect the heat from the air passing through the 0.3 mm gaps between the fins. The surface area presented to the air flow is approximately 5 times greater than a conventional plate-style intercooler according to Laminova, as well as reducing noise and pulsation."
The guys messing with the top mounts probably figured out that the pain in the *** factor outweighed the benefit. Youll still have IAT problems with the boost cranked up, which you can combat with alcohol injection. So might as well save yourself the $$ and headache and just install the inevitable alcohol injection.
And the pics you show of the laminova ICs are from the earlier, ill-fated STS-V, not the CTS-V. GM learned from their mistakes and went back to a brick IC design on the supercharged CTS-V which came out a few years later.
And the Mercedes supercharger pic you showed is of an old Kleeman blower kit. They worked OK, blackbenzz went 10.50 in his CLK using one many years ago. Take note that Kleeman also went back to a brick IC style in their newer designs.
And the Mercedes supercharger pic you showed is of an old Kleeman blower kit. They worked OK, blackbenzz went 10.50 in his CLK using one many years ago. Take note that Kleeman also went back to a brick IC style in their newer designs.
Interesting. I found it using Google image search. It's something though. I'll do a search for blackbenzz tonight and research the details.
Originally Posted by Havoc
RENNtech made top mounted coolers years ago as well..
Intake looks specific to that car though. Maybe there is info on any boost that might have been freed up with these?
11-22-2010, 01:47 AM
What an incredible sound!!!
