**** Live MIR Track Results - 01/06/2011 *** Records Have Fallen
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Actually, I left off-idle most of the day. Towards the end of the day, after Mike offered to trailor me home if I snapped an axle, I started leaving on-boost. I think my best 60' for the day was a 1.65@1800RPM
I was skeeeert. Frederick, MD is an awful long way from MIR. Hell, it took me 3.5 hours to drive the 115 miles home. Stupid rush hour.
I was skeeeert. Frederick, MD is an awful long way from MIR. Hell, it took me 3.5 hours to drive the 115 miles home. Stupid rush hour.
01-07-2011, 04:08 PM
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Please don't start a pissing contest between the two platforms. I love them both. I'm just glad the 63 platform is still pushing forward. Once aggressive cams are ready, I'm sure we'll see even better numbers.
01-07-2011, 04:21 PM
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We've come along way sine the 63 was first introduced. I wouldn't have imagined in a million years that one day the 63 would out trap and out ET the V12 twin turbo on the same day, same track and very little mods
Please don't start a pissing contest between the two platforms. I love them both. I'm just glad the 63 platform is still pushing forward. Once aggressive cams are ready, I'm sure we'll see even better numbers.
Please don't start a pissing contest between the two platforms. I love them both. I'm just glad the 63 platform is still pushing forward. Once aggressive cams are ready, I'm sure we'll see even better numbers.
it would be interesting to see the, horsepower per cubic inch, calculations though.
Mikes car is so damn fast. Looking at his slips, we'd be pretty darn even to the 1/8th. After that, my turbo car's IATs go up, then it retards the timing, and I'm staring at his tail lights for the back 1/8th. I need cooling mods to keep up with his little rocket. Even then, I doubt I'll ever see a 10.8x run.
01-07-2011, 05:35 PM
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**cough cough**.....4700lbs.....**cough cough**
it would be interesting to see the, horsepower per cubic inch, calculations though.
Mikes car is so damn fast. Looking at his slips, we'd be pretty darn even to the 1/8th. After that, my turbo car's IATs go up, then it retards the timing, and I'm staring at his tail lights for the back 1/8th. I need cooling mods to keep up with his little rocket. Even then, I doubt I'll ever see a 10.8x run.
it would be interesting to see the, horsepower per cubic inch, calculations though.
Mikes car is so damn fast. Looking at his slips, we'd be pretty darn even to the 1/8th. After that, my turbo car's IATs go up, then it retards the timing, and I'm staring at his tail lights for the back 1/8th. I need cooling mods to keep up with his little rocket. Even then, I doubt I'll ever see a 10.8x run.
As to the weight of the C63, I think Mike's car is 4200+ lbs.... However, it doesn't have anywhere near the torque that the 55k cars or V12 cars have. I honestly can't wait to see what the C63 could do with cams and a few more mods (which I hear are on the way)
01-07-2011, 05:54 PM
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Thanks Tom, it must've been the DRs 
Definitely surprising for what is basically a 'tune only' car. My goal was to rent the top spot without cooling or intake mods, and on 20" bling with street tires. As you know, I ultimately had to use DRs to do this.
My mods:
OE Tuning (Jeremy) box tune
Speedriven TCU tune
BMC Filters
Muffler delete
That's it, that's the list.
Because I know you LOVE seeing splits....
Definitely surprising for what is basically a 'tune only' car. My goal was to rent the top spot without cooling or intake mods, and on 20" bling with street tires. As you know, I ultimately had to use DRs to do this.
My mods:
OE Tuning (Jeremy) box tune
Speedriven TCU tune
BMC Filters
Muffler delete
That's it, that's the list.
Because I know you LOVE seeing splits....
Congratz! but slight correction that's NOT a Jeremy BOX-TUNE but my exact 4-5 hr Dyno-tune file you've been enjoying
Questions?? What's the main difference vs your last outing w/this exact same mod-list? If I remember correctly you were only able to hit 11.5x-11.6x @ 120-121mph
Was the DA super negative? Or?? Possibly that Speedriven TCU needed a bit of mileage/bed time? since you've gained 4-5.5 mph in Trap speeds & 2-3 tenths that's quite an improvement
Either way, I LOVE seeing your lightly modded SL600 w/in spitting distance of 10's
To think... Somebody round these parts said my 600 would be waxed ALL day long etc etc
Jeremy OE tuning & SPEEDRIVEN
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01-07-2011, 05:55 PM
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I understand the V12s are heavier.... but despite being heavier, it was always a better performer than the 63 (in the 1/4 mile) regardless of mods. Heck just 6 months ago, nobody would have ever thought that a 63 could ever trap over 123 mph naturally aspirated + a couple of bolt-ons.
As to the weight of the C63, I think Mike's car is 4200+ lbs.... However, it doesn't have anywhere near the torque that the 55k cars or V12 cars have. I honestly can't wait to see what the C63 could do with cams and a few more mods (which I hear are on the way)
As to the weight of the C63, I think Mike's car is 4200+ lbs.... However, it doesn't have anywhere near the torque that the 55k cars or V12 cars have. I honestly can't wait to see what the C63 could do with cams and a few more mods (which I hear are on the way)
Approx:
Hood. 30
Trunk. 15
Evo rotors front only so far 28
Battery. 30
Front seat. 62
Wheels. 55
Total 220 give or take
The scale is never open but 3930 would be my guess with the diet I took
01-07-2011, 05:57 PM
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I really saw him breaking into 10s yesterday I think it's a matter of time!!!
Congratz! but slight correction that's NOT a Jeremy BOX-TUNE but my exact 4-5 hr Dyno-tune file you've been enjoying
Questions?? What's the main difference vs your last outing w/this exact same mod-list? If I remember correctly you were only able to hit 11.5x-11.6x @ 120-121mph
Was the DA super negative? Or?? Possibly that Speedriven TCU needed a bit of mileage/bed time? since you've gained 4-5 mph in Trap speeds & 2-3 tenths that's quite an improvement
Either way, I LOVE seeing your lightly modded SL600 w/in spitting distance of 10's
To think... Somebody round these parts said my 600 would be waxed ALL day long etc etc
Jeremy OE tuning & SPEEDRIVEN
Questions?? What's the main difference vs your last outing w/this exact same mod-list? If I remember correctly you were only able to hit 11.5x-11.6x @ 120-121mph
Was the DA super negative? Or?? Possibly that Speedriven TCU needed a bit of mileage/bed time? since you've gained 4-5 mph in Trap speeds & 2-3 tenths that's quite an improvement
Either way, I LOVE seeing your lightly modded SL600 w/in spitting distance of 10's
To think... Somebody round these parts said my 600 would be waxed ALL day long etc etc
Jeremy OE tuning & SPEEDRIVEN
01-07-2011, 05:59 PM
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LOL.. bro I have the pic' of your SL600 on the scales weighing exactly 4370 w/out driver are you telling me your scrawny *** weighs 330 lbs now
PS.. The SL65 is notably heavier due in slight part to half a liter larger engine, but mostly due to the SL65 is the ONLY AMG w/factory LSD it adds more than a few pounds...
PS.. The SL65 is notably heavier due in slight part to half a liter larger engine, but mostly due to the SL65 is the ONLY AMG w/factory LSD it adds more than a few pounds...
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Ala' Lou Fishgold's SL65, ran 10.853 @ 124.9 mph w/1.58 60'
The 16" 12.7 lb CLK wheels would easily net a great driver like Clayton a 1.5x 60'
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-7670.html
I believe Clay's runin 18"s on rear? When I tested my Hoosier 16"s on the street it was an entirely different car
BTW mad props to you C63 demons!!!
I'm seriously thinking of adding a C63 to my stable this yr, though I must sell 1 of my trucks 1st...
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01-07-2011, 06:58 PM
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I would not take that bet as I believe you are exactly right
I'll bet $1,000 bux if Clayton ran my 16" CLK/Hoosiers that SAME DAY he'd of dipped into the 10.90-10.99 area... As his mph is def ample for a 10' pass, Clay's BEST 60' was 1.65 drop that to 1.5x & there's your 10.90
Ala' Lou Fishgold's SL65, ran 10.853 @ 124.9 mph w/1.58 60'
The 16" 12.7 lb CLK wheels would easily net a great driver like Clayton a 1.5x 60'
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-7670.html
I believe Clay's runin 18"s on rear? When I tested my Hoosier 16"s on the street it was an entirely different car
BTW mad props to you C63 demons!!!
I'm seriously thinking of adding a C63 to my stable this yr, though I must sell 1 of my trucks 1st...
Ala' Lou Fishgold's SL65, ran 10.853 @ 124.9 mph w/1.58 60'
The 16" 12.7 lb CLK wheels would easily net a great driver like Clayton a 1.5x 60'
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-7670.html
I believe Clay's runin 18"s on rear? When I tested my Hoosier 16"s on the street it was an entirely different car
BTW mad props to you C63 demons!!!
I'm seriously thinking of adding a C63 to my stable this yr, though I must sell 1 of my trucks 1st...
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Also would like to add congratz to Andy/MHP... Like him or not, he has been pioneering mods/headers/heads/cams/ECU/Race tunes, Nitrous pkg's etc for the C63 that have literally made these lil' cars into Giant killa's...
Andy, or ANY tuner, why not slap a side mount Centrifugal Supercharger on these C63's (it would work excellent since they utilize the higher rev's etc..)
Andy, or ANY tuner, why not slap a side mount Centrifugal Supercharger on these C63's (it would work excellent since they utilize the higher rev's etc..)
01-07-2011, 08:10 PM
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Just look'ed up the DA for MIR on Jan 6th Clay's best run @ 2:20pm DA was Negative -1006 ft @ 37 Deg Fahrenheit... No doubt record setting weather especially on the N/A platforms.. The DA from earlier in the morning thru 6-7pm evening DA was Negative -1642 ft @ 30 Degrees or less..
Not to take anything away from the C63's that others were accusing of Nitrous use, if 10.87 @ 131 pass was Corrected to Sea Level on N/A mildly modded engine platforms it = 11.06 @ 128 mph STILL smokin' FAST!!
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...2011&time=2:21 PM
Not to take anything away from the C63's that others were accusing of Nitrous use, if 10.87 @ 131 pass was Corrected to Sea Level on N/A mildly modded engine platforms it = 11.06 @ 128 mph STILL smokin' FAST!!
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...2011&time=2:21 PM
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01-07-2011, 08:31 PM
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How's the Misha build going? Once you get Jay's cooling mods on her, and get it to the track, I don't expect to hold down that record for long. Hell, Soulsearcher's car is faster than mine, no doubt. Looking at his timeslip on dragtimes, he's crushing my MPH, but appears to be having traction problems. Once he gets that figured out, we're both in trouble.
Congratz! but slight correction that's NOT a Jeremy BOX-TUNE but my exact 4-5 hr Dyno-tune file you've been enjoying
Are you tuned for California 91 or normal 93 octane? When Jeremy custom tuned you, did you have your intake and exhaust mods already? I would hope that I don't have a custom 91 octane tune for a car that has extensive exhaust and intake mods. That's good point though, I could very well be running a non-box tune. Hmmmm, I need to ask Jeremy, or mayble he'll chime in here.
Questions?? What's the main difference vs your last outing w/this exact same mod-list? If I remember correctly you were only able to hit 11.5x-11.6x @ 120-121mph
Was the DA super negative? Or?? Possibly that Speedriven TCU needed a bit of mileage/bed time? since you've gained 4-5.5 mph in Trap speeds & 2-3 tenths that's quite an improvement
You're right, last time out, with same setup, I was only cutting 11.6s, with I think (1) 11.59 sprinkled in there. The problem was, on my very first run with drag radials that day, my car went into limp mode in the burnout box. The entire day after that, my car had a huge lag between 1-2 shift. So much so, my wife thought I was letting of the throttle every time. After talking with Jo and Marcin, at Speedriven, they recommended driving the car normally for 10-15 miles, then trying again. Problem was, I had my Mickey's on there, my wife in the stands, and by the time I talked to them, the day was coming to a close. No way was I going to swap back to stock wheels, leave the track, drive for 10 miles, then do it all over again. So, we just left. But sure enough, driving the car normally fixed the problem. I romped on her a bit, after I got home, and the problem was gone. Yesterday was the very first time I was able to make a full, clean pass with my current tunes.
Either way, I LOVE seeing your lightly modded SL600 w/in spitting distance of 10's
To think... Somebody round these parts said my 600 would be waxed ALL day long etc etc
Who was that?
Jeremy OE tuning & SPEEDRIVEN
AGREED! It sure seems to be a potent mix.
Are you tuned for California 91 or normal 93 octane? When Jeremy custom tuned you, did you have your intake and exhaust mods already? I would hope that I don't have a custom 91 octane tune for a car that has extensive exhaust and intake mods. That's good point though, I could very well be running a non-box tune. Hmmmm, I need to ask Jeremy, or mayble he'll chime in here.
Questions?? What's the main difference vs your last outing w/this exact same mod-list? If I remember correctly you were only able to hit 11.5x-11.6x @ 120-121mph
Was the DA super negative? Or?? Possibly that Speedriven TCU needed a bit of mileage/bed time? since you've gained 4-5.5 mph in Trap speeds & 2-3 tenths that's quite an improvement
You're right, last time out, with same setup, I was only cutting 11.6s, with I think (1) 11.59 sprinkled in there. The problem was, on my very first run with drag radials that day, my car went into limp mode in the burnout box. The entire day after that, my car had a huge lag between 1-2 shift. So much so, my wife thought I was letting of the throttle every time. After talking with Jo and Marcin, at Speedriven, they recommended driving the car normally for 10-15 miles, then trying again. Problem was, I had my Mickey's on there, my wife in the stands, and by the time I talked to them, the day was coming to a close. No way was I going to swap back to stock wheels, leave the track, drive for 10 miles, then do it all over again. So, we just left. But sure enough, driving the car normally fixed the problem. I romped on her a bit, after I got home, and the problem was gone. Yesterday was the very first time I was able to make a full, clean pass with my current tunes.
Either way, I LOVE seeing your lightly modded SL600 w/in spitting distance of 10's
To think... Somebody round these parts said my 600 would be waxed ALL day long etc etc
Who was that?
Jeremy OE tuning & SPEEDRIVEN
AGREED! It sure seems to be a potent mix.
LOL.. bro I have the pic' of your SL600 on the scales weighing exactly 4370 w/out driver are you telling me your scrawny *** weighs 330 lbs now
Did it show 4370 or 4470? I thought it showed 4470, but you could be right. At the doctor's today, I weighed in at a whopping 175lbs, so I was thinking 4650 or so....
Did it show 4370 or 4470? I thought it showed 4470, but you could be right. At the doctor's today, I weighed in at a whopping 175lbs, so I was thinking 4650 or so....
Just look'ed up the DA for MIR on Jan 6th Clay's best run @ 2:20pm DA was Negative -1006 ft @ 37 Deg Fahrenheit... No doubt record setting weather especially on the N/A platforms..
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...2011&time=2:21 PM
Yup. We were at -1000 to -1200 all day long. This, no doubt, played a huge roles in everybody's times we saw.
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...2011&time=2:21 PM
Yup. We were at -1000 to -1200 all day long. This, no doubt, played a huge roles in everybody's times we saw.
How's the Misha build going? Once you get Jay's cooling mods on her, and get it to the track, I don't expect to hold down that record for long. Hell, Soulsearcher's car is faster than mine, no doubt. Looking at his timeslip on dragtimes, he's crushing my MPH, but appears to be having traction problems. Once he gets that figured out, we're both in trouble.
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01-07-2011, 08:37 PM
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I'll bet $1,000 bux if Clayton ran my 16" CLK/Hoosiers that SAME DAY he'd of dipped into the 10.90-10.99 area... As his mph is def ample for a 10' pass, Clay's BEST 60' was 1.65 drop that to 1.5x & there's your 10.90
Ala' Lou Fishgold's SL65, ran 10.853 @ 124.9 mph w/1.58 60'
The 16" 12.7 lb CLK wheels would easily net a great driver like Clayton a 1.5x 60'
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-7670.html
I believe Clay's runin 18"s on rear? When I tested my Hoosier 16"s on the street it was an entirely different car
BTW mad props to you C63 demons!!!
I'm seriously thinking of adding a C63 to my stable this yr, though I must sell 1 of my trucks 1st...
Ala' Lou Fishgold's SL65, ran 10.853 @ 124.9 mph w/1.58 60'
The 16" 12.7 lb CLK wheels would easily net a great driver like Clayton a 1.5x 60'
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-7670.html
I believe Clay's runin 18"s on rear? When I tested my Hoosier 16"s on the street it was an entirely different car
BTW mad props to you C63 demons!!!
I'm seriously thinking of adding a C63 to my stable this yr, though I must sell 1 of my trucks 1st...
Yup, 18's on the rear on Rial wheels. I have no clue what they weigh. Once I get them back from Ahmad, as he nice enough to be my pack mule to the track, I'll throw em on a scale.
I would love to know how Lou is cutting those 60's. Hell, even his SL600 record, he had a 1.5x 60'. Problem is, that's the weak part on these cars. It wasn't until Mike offered to trailer my car home, that I'd even launch on-boost. And even then, my highest launch was at 1800 RPM. Stephen, Jay, Camdon, and I think Marko and maybe even Tom, have all snapped axles with these V12TTs when trying to launch them hard.
01-07-2011, 08:49 PM
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Your records are NOT in ANY danger, I'm JUST a HUGE 1/4 mile fan & been so since my grandparents took me to multiple tracks on East & Westcoast when I was lil' kid...
I too fear breaking drivetrain parts, but will eventually get my bucket up to Famoso after ALL mods are finished for a few runs (Misha build is taking a bit of time as the list for updated 09'-10' OEM parts is extensive & not cheap, Misha's a great guy & a pleasure to work with. We should easily drop another 100+ lbs off my SL w/Mishadesigns kit)
PS.. I used your scale pic' as desktop screen saver 4370 lbs
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Yes tuned for CA 91 & ALL my custom CAI & DP's 3" exhaust/cat mods were in place, ONLY mod that wasn't on @ that time was SPEEDRIVEN TCU... My A/F's were spot on around 12.5 @ redline, as long as your A/F's are good you're FINE, & since you have 93 on tap you can easily get another 15-20 rwp if you have Jeremy tweek it on Dyno. Or leave as is & the extra 93 octane will prevent ANY knock etc..
(Though tell me you didn't mix any 100 octane during these record busting runs? affter driving 3 1/2 hrs 1 way hard to believe you don't list 100 octane)
I know Jeremy could've thrown a box 600 tune on your rig, but there's NO harm in running my Dyno-tune. Your track data IE 125+ mph Traps says you have more than a box tune to me... IE your traps are higher than MOST equally modded 65's & as we ALL know the crazzee Negative DA barely effects Turbo'd cars as much as mildly modded N/A platforms..
Get a CAI solution/full exhaust & throw a reservoir in trunk & 16"s & in similar weather I bet you run 10.8x ALL day long
I too fear breaking drivetrain parts, but will eventually get my bucket up to Famoso after ALL mods are finished for a few runs (Misha build is taking a bit of time as the list for updated 09'-10' OEM parts is extensive & not cheap, Misha's a great guy & a pleasure to work with. We should easily drop another 100+ lbs off my SL w/Mishadesigns kit)
PS.. I used your scale pic' as desktop screen saver 4370 lbs
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Are you tuned for California 91 or normal 93 octane? When Jeremy custom tuned you, did you have your intake and exhaust mods already? I would hope that I don't have a custom 91 octane tune for a car that has extensive exhaust and intake mods. That's good point though, I could very well be running a non-box tune. Hmmmm, I need to ask Jeremy, or mayble he'll chime in here.
(Though tell me you didn't mix any 100 octane during these record busting runs? affter driving 3 1/2 hrs 1 way hard to believe you don't list 100 octane
) I know Jeremy could've thrown a box 600 tune on your rig, but there's NO harm in running my Dyno-tune. Your track data IE 125+ mph Traps says you have more than a box tune to me... IE your traps are higher than MOST equally modded 65's & as we ALL know the crazzee Negative DA barely effects Turbo'd cars as much as mildly modded N/A platforms..
Get a CAI solution/full exhaust & throw a reservoir in trunk & 16"s & in similar weather I bet you run 10.8x ALL day long
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Your records are NOT in ANY danger, I'm JUST a HUGE 1/4 mile fan & been so since my grandparents took me to multiple tracks on East & Westcoast when I was lil' kid...
I too fear breaking drivetrain parts, but will eventually get my bucket up to Famoso after ALL mods are finished for a few runs (Misha build is taking a bit of time as the list for updated 09'-10' OEM parts is extensive & not cheap, Misha's a great guy & a pleasure to work with. We should easily drop another 100+ lbs off my SL w/Mishadesigns kit)
PS.. I used your scale pic' as desktop screen saver 4370 lbs
I too fear breaking drivetrain parts, but will eventually get my bucket up to Famoso after ALL mods are finished for a few runs (Misha build is taking a bit of time as the list for updated 09'-10' OEM parts is extensive & not cheap, Misha's a great guy & a pleasure to work with. We should easily drop another 100+ lbs off my SL w/Mishadesigns kit)
PS.. I used your scale pic' as desktop screen saver 4370 lbs
Well, that makes it tough to dispute, now doesn't it.
Can't wait to see it after the build. The other two look incredible!
My next step will be cooling mods. My car starts pulling timing on the back half, even in 34* temps. I should be able to gain a couple MPH if I can just keep the IATs in check on the big end.
01-07-2011, 09:04 PM
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im waiting for the haters to come with the sneaky pete nitrous claims with these great 63 times .
Too bad they never did a cts-v c63 shoot out it wouldve been bloody murdah !!!!
Too bad they never did a cts-v c63 shoot out it wouldve been bloody murdah !!!!
01-07-2011, 09:08 PM
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Where is this scale picture?
Strange the 63 platform has been around for so long and people barley broke into 11's and no new mods were introduced how are the C class guys doing it?
Strange the 63 platform has been around for so long and people barley broke into 11's and no new mods were introduced how are the C class guys doing it?
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Negative -1642 DA will push a N/A C63 11.06 car into the 10.87 range easily. DA has the MOST effect on N/A vehicles..But as I said earlier Basement 11's on ANY platform is A NO JOKE STREET car....
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