Originally Posted by GregMB

I am curious to hear your assessment of the pricing on the following item:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180781413840...#ht_500wt_1413


Is this worth the $2000 asking price, or is this another example of a vendor charging the "Mercedes Tax"?



-G

Originally Posted by e55amgrocket

I dont know what the actual cost to make the intake is so i cant judge that and i believe he sold them cheaper on another forum.The new needs wings intake is $1000 and dosent look as good as this in my opinion. I do know the cost of making a fuel rail though

Originally Posted by skratch77

I would buy a carbon intake for 2k anyday then have my car look like ****.Ohh and those intakes will block my second heat exchanger.

when is this forum going to understand that you can make 30whp more with the same mods if you were to just drop the intake charge temp 30 deg.

take that 2k and put it towards the evosport top mounts.

Originally Posted by HadiLaw

How would they make your car look like *****? Ohh, and these intakes wont block your second heat exchanger. Honestly, I gave my CF Airbox and cover away for free.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180785942459...#ht_500wt_1413

Originally Posted by skratch77

those won't. I was talking about the other ones and these ones will 100% loose power.

from my own testing when i was designing my plastic carbon intake once I took the python tubes off and data logged my intake temps sky rocketed from sucking in hot engine temp.

I will bet any amount of money you want that the intake in this ebay add will loose power.

take a heat gun and measure how hot the engine bay is and you will see.

Heck Im even installling a 1700cfm fan right on my blower to lower engine bay tems.

If anyone wants to sim this setup just go around and log your temps and then unplug the stock intake tubes that go to the front and see how fast your temps will rise.

sit in traffic for 3 min and the themps will skyrocket to 50-60 above ambient and it will take forever to lower them again.

Iv tried this setup and it is 100% going to raise your intake air temps

Originally Posted by urbamworm

Yeah I have seen this same thing a million times with my Audi A4. The stock airbox that has a little snorkle up to the front grill to suck in air works better than the different intake systems that companies have made. There have been multiple ones put out that has some aluminum piping coming off to the side in the engine bay with a filter and a little "cage" around the filter made from abs plastic or aluminum trying to shield the hot air from the engine. Everyone who has had any of them always get higher intake air temps when they datalog with them so that short ram intake with filters laying right on top of the blazing hot engine can't be good. Will make the car sound cool with a whine though.

Originally Posted by lowprofile

Wow...I'm shocked to see what this thread turned into. This is a solid product and at the end of the day...it still is, regardless of the interpretation of certain words used to describe it.
I can attest that these injectors are not purchased through some random internet site. They were picked by TTM and a local injector shop as the best current offering. All injectors are flowed for volume and spray pattern prior to packaging. Again, several harnesses have been purchased to find the highest quality.

As for the price, yes they are expensive, but it is a finished product for those who have more money than time. I typically have neither...so I'm in a different boat all together...lol

Last, "creating" a product for yourself is one thing, but when you offering said product to others, it's a whole different league which comes with plenty of pitfalls. You are then married to that vehicle, for better or worse. Not everyone is mechanically inclined and there are quite a few situations which arise from install error.
"Customer Support" is the most valuable intangibles which you did not include in your price tag.

Originally Posted by e55amgrocket

Im not calling him a cheat at all. I'm just saying that some of us believe the price isnt justified in OUR eyes. I understand most people dont have friends that build pro-mods and heads up drag cars. Bruce paved the path by doing it first yes and im not taking anything away from him at all because he did what most people were afraid of trying. The ONLY reason i even had my friend do the rail in the first place was because i was IGNORED by Bruce a few times when i asked to just by the rail so i could use my own injectors. We were going to modify the rail last year but i didnt see it as live or die situation with the small amount of mods i was doing at the time and already going to larger injectors. I was planning on letting Bruce do the head job and modify my 80mm housing for my 82mm throttle body on my car late this month/early February but i dont like being ignored when i was willing to over pay for something to begin with. Then after doing the rail and seeing what the actual cost was i was blown away. Ive always been one to keep quiet and get things done on my own but i also believe in right and wrong. Im not stopping anyone from paying for his kit nor am i saying his kit dosent work because it does. I think if the kit was priced better he would sell way more kits,get way more future customers and would make more money that way in the end, that's just my opinion. I also think its kind of odd that the one person missing from this post is Bruce himself

Originally Posted by lowprofile

Wow...I'm shocked to see what this thread turned into. This is a solid product and at the end of the day...it still is, regardless of the interpretation of certain words used to describe it.
I can attest that these injectors are not purchased through some random internet site. They were picked by TTM and a local injector shop as the best current offering. All injectors are flowed for volume and spray pattern prior to packaging. Again, several harnesses have been purchased to find the highest quality.

As for the price, yes they are expensive, but it is a finished product for those who have more money than time. I typically have neither...so I'm in a different boat all together...lol

Last, "creating" a product for yourself is one thing, but when you offering said product to others, it's a whole different league which comes with plenty of pitfalls. You are then married to that vehicle, for better or worse. Not everyone is mechanically inclined and there are quite a few situations which arise from install error.
"Customer Support" is the most valuable intangibles which you did not include in your price tag.

Originally Posted by shardul

Happy to see that everybody can work in harmony together

Originally Posted by badm

The TTM fuel rail is a positive advancement for our engines , its not a coincidence that the SLR engine developed by AMG engineers has a bigger fuel rail and injectors than other 55 cars . So Bruce regardless of price has done us a great service , I wouldn'twant to put some home made experiment on my MOTOR .
Also those intakes look nice and mean but , hot air is hot air, the only one that would be good is the one sucking in cold air outside of engine bay ,, You can do this a lot cheaper through CF tubes with intake flaps cut out or Bruce scoops .
Badm ,, its simple internal combustion engine theory..

Originally Posted by shardul

you tuner will be able to answer those questions. The answer lies in his or her ability to scale the bigger injectors.

Originally Posted by e55amgrocket

The point is a 275% markup is ridiculous. Nobody is saying it dosent work because it does. 99% of high performance fuel rails are looped to equalize pressure and give consistent fueling. All were saying is don't rape everyone and give false information like the research on injectors and "closest thing to direct injection you can get". These injectors are like every other fuel injector they just have a wider spray pattern and 6 holes instead of 4. Direct injection is a whole nother animal completely. If people want to spend $1600 were not stopping them.