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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 08:05 PM
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Glad you sorted it all out. I think I'd probably have ended up doing the same fix if I'd have been put in the same situation. I'm a stickler for getting things done right but once the crank is damaged thats a serious bill to replace it your alternative was a much more attractive fix.

I'm going to be doing a pulley install (or getting a specialist garage to do it for me) in the uk and think I might watch them do it. I dont want to have any *** puckering moments or wobble.
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 09:44 PM
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Glad you sorted it all out. I think I'd probably have ended up doing the same fix if I'd have been put in the same situation. I'm a stickler for getting things done right but once the crank is damaged thats a serious bill to replace it your alternative was a much more attractive fix.

I'm going to be doing a pulley install (or getting a specialist garage to do it for me) in the uk and think I might watch them do it. I dont want to have any *** puckering moments or wobble.
It's been three months and MANY WOT runs ( honestly, over 100 WOT runs...most from 40 to 100mph which are my favorite...a few to 150mph which scare me sometimes so they are few ) and it has yet to fail. I even checked the torque a few weeks back and it was still stupid tight. It still has slight wobble but hey...it's not throwing belts or anything and I really can't do much about it so I just don't worry anymore.

All I must say is to make SURE you do the 275lb-ft of torque + 90*. It's a ***** load of torque and I had to do it with a huge pipe and lots of tries but I eventually got there.
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Old Jul 6, 2011 | 10:20 PM
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The resonant frequencies produced by pulley wobble will put a strain on your main bearings. Depending on the frequencies produced through the harmonic range, the damage could be quick, or it could be slow, however in either case, there will be additional wear. Some frequencies produced can actually snap the crank before the bearing goes, similar to certain frequencies breaking crystal.


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Old Jul 6, 2011 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bramage
The resonant frequencies produced by pulley wobble will put a strain on your main bearings. Depending on the frequencies produced through the harmonic range, the damage could be quick, or it could be slow, however in either case, there will be additional wear. Some frequencies produced can actually snap the crank before the bearing goes, similar to certain frequencies breaking crystal.


I know, you're correct...and I may try another pulley at some point. Maybe an oem style 180 or 178 pulley to see if the wobble is actually the pulley and not the damage to the crankshaft. It's held on though very well and I checked the torque yesterday to make sure it wasn't letting go and it's still tight. But the wobble does make me uneasy. Considering my choices in the matter though, the wobble is better than the alternative ( replacing the crank and rebuilding the engine ). I've raced so many times that it's not even funny...my average fuel economy is in the 14's and I mostly drive highway...lol. So far so good....hopefully it'll last me till the end of the year and I'll probably disassemble the engine and rebuild it stronger than ever...WINK WINK...lol.
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Old Aug 2, 2011 | 03:20 PM
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Took my pulley off today to swap it with an ASP 178mm oem type pulley to see if my wobble was due to the crank damage or due to the pulley simply being wobbly...well my ASP pulley wobbles just the same so bad news for me.

Regardless, the crank snout and new key look just as good as the day I installed the EC pulley 4 months ago and hundreds of WOT runs after. Good news for me.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 12:09 AM
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Just an update. Next week it'll be 7 months since my pulley apocalypse... my car still runs great...even with the pulley wobble.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 05:31 AM
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I must say I was kinda when I saw what was going on here at first. I know if I was facing the repair costs plus labor time and talking my buddy into letting me use his shop to rip out the engine to do a proper repair I'd probably try the exact same thing. I've pinned cranks for a procharger (belt driven centrifugal supercharger powered off the crank pulley/balancer) install on an iron LQ9 6.0 chevy truck motor going in my old camaro and the pins were tiny in comparison (about the size of the lead in a pencil) to this huge keyway you've added. That motor was built to put a bit over 700 to the wheels on the blower with a small shot of nitrous possible still. I doubt the blower will ever rip this apart especially since you've had it apart after some run time and everything looked as when first installed. I'd just keep an eye on the wobble to see if it ever starts getting any worse. Otherwise I must say my hats off to you and the repair that's still holding up.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 08:44 AM
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Perhaps the wobble could be attributed to two wobbly pulleys......were you able to verify pulleys to be wobble free from another car? Either way, nice save.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 09:00 AM
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I must say I was kinda when I saw what was going on here at first. I know if I was facing the repair costs plus labor time and talking my buddy into letting me use his shop to rip out the engine to do a proper repair I'd probably try the exact same thing. I've pinned cranks for a procharger (belt driven centrifugal supercharger powered off the crank pulley/balancer) install on an iron LQ9 6.0 chevy truck motor going in my old camaro and the pins were tiny in comparison (about the size of the lead in a pencil) to this huge keyway you've added. That motor was built to put a bit over 700 to the wheels on the blower with a small shot of nitrous possible still. I doubt the blower will ever rip this apart especially since you've had it apart after some run time and everything looked as when first installed. I'd just keep an eye on the wobble to see if it ever starts getting any worse. Otherwise I must say my hats off to you and the repair that's still holding up.
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Perhaps the wobble could be attributed to two wobbly pulleys......were you able to verify pulleys to be wobble free from another car? Either way, nice save.
Yup, I checked the previous one and it was straight. It's my crank for sure.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
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Yup, I checked the previous one and it was straight. It's my crank for sure.
Hammer that B!@^C back the other way, show it your in charge! j/k
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pearlpower
Hammer that B!@^C back the other way, show it your in charge! j/k
I'll tell you what...I've thought of sanding the crank snout enough to allow the pulley to fully seat it's self against the oil pump gear to eliminate the wobble but fear that the clamping forced would be even lower and then the key may eventually give so the wobble will stay.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 09:48 AM
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Glad to see nothing has gone wrong w/your modified pulley install. Thinking outside the box!
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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Two month update? Still holding strong?
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 12:38 PM
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Yea...i need to know because I think this just happened to me...
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 12:41 PM
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Also Lee...thanks for digging this up.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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You think??? If the pulley flys off, I don't think it will be a situation where you are not sure what happened..

If it did fly off, can you provide some details?
  • Pulley Type?
  • When Installed?
  • By who?
  • Torque of Pulley when installed?
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bramage
You think??? If the pulley flys off, I don't think it will be a situation where you are not sure what happened..

If it did fly off, can you provide some details?
  • Pulley Type?
  • When Installed?
  • By who?
  • Torque of Pulley when installed?
If your referring to Josh, then pulley type was EC/ASP-mine that I sold him. &^^%^^^% indy mechanics. He has a thread on it.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pearlpower
Two month update? Still holding strong?
2 month? Try 9 month update.

Pulley is still attached with no issues. It still has the same wobble it's always had but other than that...looks like I'm in the clear.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 02:14 PM
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2 months from last update, but good to read. Nice recovery
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 02:23 PM
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So pretty much just making a slot for a larger key...where did you get the larger key?

Then just sealing and new bolt and its good?
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pearlpower
2 months from last update, but good to read. Nice recovery
Thanks.

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So pretty much just making a slot for a larger key...where did you get the larger key?

Then just sealing and new bolt and its good?
Yup. Just grind down a keyway for your new key ( I got one at a local machine shop...they had a ton of them laying around and picked one that fit my pulley ) and insert the key ( you can use glue to hold it in place while you slide the pulley over, I didn't use anything though ).

The oem key is just too tiny to do much. The new one I installed is MUCH larger.
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 11:21 PM
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One month left and my ghetto rigged key will have survived an entire year of absolute abuse with my pulley wobbling like crazy...lol
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 11:32 PM
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damn bro, good work! From the pics of before and after, a bit of DIY sure made that thing look beefy!
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How bad is the "wobble"? Does it look like that it only wobbles during idle? Have someone rev the motor to 2k rpm and see if it's still wobbling? Mine has a slight wobble at idle.
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 07:32 AM
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How bad is the "wobble"? Does it look like that it only wobbles during idle? Have someone rev the motor to 2k rpm and see if it's still wobbling? Mine has a slight wobble at idle.
It's pretty bad, even when revved it wobbles but VERY slightly ( barely visible ). Revving the engine won't make the wobble go away, it'll just make the wobble so fast that you can't see it. People are always so scared of wobble yet my car has given me zero issues with very bad ( almost scary ) wobble...lol
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