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Renntech gets 569 Wheel 624 Trq with Tune Only on the new TT???
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some facts:
63TT non PP = 47x rwhp
63TT with PP = 53x rwhp
other facts:
MB says 63TT non PP = 525hp crank
MB says 63TT with PP = 525 + 32 = 557hp crank
so to conclude who is saying 96rwhp is too much for a tune.
first point, Renntech had the non PP.
second point, brabus made 40rwhp more on the PP by a tune only.
so to conclude = powers are true on pump gas. and these cars do rock .
mine has PP and it is stock. it is faster than a stock 65, faster than my E55k (505RWHP on mustang).
when you guys own 1 of these 63TT, you will know that it is true. ^_^
63TT non PP = 47x rwhp
63TT with PP = 53x rwhp
other facts:
MB says 63TT non PP = 525hp crank
MB says 63TT with PP = 525 + 32 = 557hp crank
so to conclude who is saying 96rwhp is too much for a tune.
first point, Renntech had the non PP.
second point, brabus made 40rwhp more on the PP by a tune only.
so to conclude = powers are true on pump gas. and these cars do rock .
mine has PP and it is stock. it is faster than a stock 65, faster than my E55k (505RWHP on mustang).
when you guys own 1 of these 63TT, you will know that it is true. ^_^
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some facts:
63TT non PP = 47x rwhp
63TT with PP = 53x rwhp
other facts:
MB says 63TT non PP = 525hp crank
MB says 63TT with PP = 525 + 32 = 557hp crank
so to conclude who is saying 96rwhp is too much for a tune.
first point, Renntech had the non PP.
second point, brabus made 40rwhp more on the PP by a tune only.
so to conclude = powers are true on pump gas. and these cars do rock .
mine has PP and it is stock. it is faster than a stock 65, faster than my E55k (505RWHP on mustang).
when you guys own 1 of these 63TT, you will know that it is true. ^_^
63TT non PP = 47x rwhp
63TT with PP = 53x rwhp
other facts:
MB says 63TT non PP = 525hp crank
MB says 63TT with PP = 525 + 32 = 557hp crank
so to conclude who is saying 96rwhp is too much for a tune.
first point, Renntech had the non PP.
second point, brabus made 40rwhp more on the PP by a tune only.
so to conclude = powers are true on pump gas. and these cars do rock .
mine has PP and it is stock. it is faster than a stock 65, faster than my E55k (505RWHP on mustang).
when you guys own 1 of these 63TT, you will know that it is true. ^_^
PS Bone STOCK 65's run mid to low 11's @ 122-125 depending on track. Didn't realize your 63tt is faster than that in stock trim?
Last edited by Thericker; Oct 9, 2011 at 02:38 AM.
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Didn't read the earlier stuff but I think he means from a roll
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with PP option they are faster.
don't forget STOCK 65 comes in heavy a$$ cars (CL/S/SL) but SL65Bs will smoke me.
wheels keep rolling till 90km and mine has LSD option.
either TQ is nice or Conti tires are *****.
don't forget STOCK 65 comes in heavy a$$ cars (CL/S/SL) but SL65Bs will smoke me.
wheels keep rolling till 90km and mine has LSD option.
either TQ is nice or Conti tires are *****.
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The power numbers shouldn't be a surprise. Just taking the blower off the 55k and switching to turbos will yield an easy 50-75 horses. Also MB tunes their turbo cars much more conservative than the blower cars mainly because there is more variability with the turbo which means there are more gains to be had. Talk to any 600 or 65 owner and they get loads of power from a tune. Underrating or not, these engines have clearly open the door for some serious fun and power for years to. Like many of you, I can't wait until the first lease returns start showing up. These cars are sick and I'm glad they kept the weight down so it will spank the new M5. I can't even imagine how fun our 55k's would be with a seven speed. Now add another 150hp and you got yourself a wet dream for a combination. What took 4 yrs to get a e55 to get into the 10's will take 4 months with the new power plant! It's going to be epic.
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Everyone is so biased in this board go figure since it's an MB AMG board. Don't be so sure if the new 55TT AMG will smoke the F10 M5.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
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The next e63 will beat a tuned m5.there is no replacement for displacement!!!
The m5 will not gain as much as the 5.5tt since bmw is already running alot of boost on it stock to make its rated power.
We will see e63s in the 9s now with this new tt
The m5 will not gain as much as the 5.5tt since bmw is already running alot of boost on it stock to make its rated power.
We will see e63s in the 9s now with this new tt
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Not biased either since I have an M6 as well but the new TT Benz is bigger in displacement and the car is lighter. I think there was a magazine article recently that showed the Benz in non PP form beating the M5. I thought I'd be singing the same tune since I love my V10 M6 like it is my first born but I'm convinced the scales have tipped to Benz this time.
Everyone is so biased in this board go figure since it's an MB AMG board. Don't be so sure if the new 55TT AMG will smoke the F10 M5.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
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Everyone is so biased in this board go figure since it's an MB AMG board. Don't be so sure if the new 55TT AMG will smoke the F10 M5.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
i can garuntee you the new 63TT with PP will smoke a panamera Turbo S from rolling.
you really need to drive one to just know how fast these cars are.
you will be speachless.
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the X6M in the sig got 100hp from just a tune boosting it to about 7-8 PSI more than stock tune.
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Not biased either since I have an M6 as well but the new TT Benz is bigger in displacement and the car is lighter. I think there was a magazine article recently that showed the Benz in non PP form beating the M5. I thought I'd be singing the same tune since I love my V10 M6 like it is my first born but I'm convinced the scales have tipped to Benz this time.
As for the weight, yes by official numbers. Keep in mind, that BMW's official curb weight numbers are usually with a driver and some gas in the tank. I've heard that Mercedes curb numbers are this time lower since they didn't factor in driver among other fluids.
I can bet if you weigh both the M5 and E63 side by side at a scale somewhere, both will be similar.
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STOCK 65's make up to 530 rwhp & 650+rwtq they can run mid to low 11's @ 122-125 mph depending on track & DA etcPoint is even bone stock 65 vs TUNED cls63tt pp it'd be a very close race, but that's w/your cls being tuned. You must've run a 65 in bad need of Intercooler pump..
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I don't know which model 65 you'll smoke STOCK 65's make up to 530 rwhp & 650+rwtq they can run mid to low 11's @ 122-125 mph depending on track & DA etc
Point is even bone stock 65 vs TUNED cls63tt pp it'd be a very close race, but that's w/your cls being tuned. You must've run a 65 in bad need of Intercooler pump..
STOCK 65's make up to 530 rwhp & 650+rwtq they can run mid to low 11's @ 122-125 mph depending on track & DA etcPoint is even bone stock 65 vs TUNED cls63tt pp it'd be a very close race, but that's w/your cls being tuned. You must've run a 65 in bad need of Intercooler pump..
They are fast no doubt, but pushing around a 4600-4700lb car is not easy.
Also, the 65's not only weight 300-400lbs more ( which is HUGE )...they also have 30whp less than a TUNED 63TT. A 63TT with a tune should utterly destroy a 65.
I see it very possible for a bone stock 63TT to race against a 65 car and at least give it a good race.
FWIW...Motortred has tested both cars and their numbers are the following:
CLS63 PP
12.1@121
CL65
11.8@120
While the CL65 seems to have launched better...it looks like the CLS63 would beat out a CL65 in a street race ( the CLS63 put a better trap speed ). A CLS63 with a tune should annihilate it.
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First of all, a 65 car will not do low 11's@122-125mph without some very decent tires. Just because ONE may have done so doesn't make it the norm. As a matter of fact, the quickest STOCK CL65 in dragtimes did 11.8@120mph. There are plenty in the 12's though.
Also, the 65's not only weight 300-400lbs more ( which is HUGE )...they also have 30whp less than a TUNED 63TT. A 63TT with a tune should utterly destroy a 65.
I see it very possible for a bone stock 63TT to race against a 65 car and at least give it a good race.
FWIW...Motortred has tested both cars and their numbers are the following:
CLS63 PP
12.1@121
D
CL65
11.8@120
While the CL65 seems to have launched better...it looks like the CLS63 would beat out a CL65 in a street race ( the CLS63 put a better trap speed ). A CLS63 with a tune should annihilate it.
Also, the 65's not only weight 300-400lbs more ( which is HUGE )...they also have 30whp less than a TUNED 63TT. A 63TT with a tune should utterly destroy a 65.
I see it very possible for a bone stock 63TT to race against a 65 car and at least give it a good race.
FWIW...Motortred has tested both cars and their numbers are the following:
CLS63 PP
12.1@121
D
CL65
11.8@120
While the CL65 seems to have launched better...it looks like the CLS63 would beat out a CL65 in a street race ( the CLS63 put a better trap speed ). A CLS63 with a tune should annihilate it.
Using your example bone stock cl65 vs pp cls63 = a great race ( go re-read my other posts, I said EXACTLY THIS, they would have a very close race wtf 
) ALLI was stating he handily beats 65's in his STOCK CLS63 pp that's what I Q'd as it makes ZERO sense.PS you're cherry picking using the CL65 as it weighs MORE than ALL the other 65 models yet still beats the pp clstt in your example? Gets beat by .30 that's 3 car lengths vs 1 mph in trap speed, that would easily be due to more wheel spin & worse launch.
Go look up other lighter SL65 1/4 data tuned records from MHP 11.1x @ 127mph Joe Curry 10.85 @ 125mph or for that matter Claytons sl600 ecu/tcu 11.15 @ 125+ ie STOCK 65's can & do run as I said MID to low 11's @ 122+ in the right hands.
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What is w/you guys Using your example bone stock cl65 vs pp cls63 = a great race ( go re-read my other posts, I said EXACTLY THIS, they would have a very close race wtf ) ALLI was stating he handily beats 65's in his STOCK CLS63 pp that's what I Q'd as it makes ZERO sense.
Using your example bone stock cl65 vs pp cls63 = a great race ( go re-read my other posts, I said EXACTLY THIS, they would have a very close race wtf ) ALLI was stating he handily beats 65's in his STOCK CLS63 pp that's what I Q'd as it makes ZERO sense.
PS you're cherry picking using the CL65 as it weighs MORE than ALL the other 65 models yet still beats the tuned clstt in your example? Gets beat by .30 that's 3 car lengths vs 1 mph in trap speed, that would easily be due to more wheel spin & worse launch.
Again, the CLS trapped more meaning that in a street race it would win...period.
Go look up other lighter SL65 1/4 data tuned records from MHP 11.1x @ 127mph Joe Curry 10.85 @ 125mph or for that matter Claytons sl600 ecu/tcu 11.15 @ 125+ ie STOCK 65's can & do run as I said MID to low 11's @ 122+ in the right hands.
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wow! I said even a tuned pp cls 63 vs stock 65 of Any model would/will be a great race, I only add that due to Ali stating he handily beats 65's in his stock clstt pp, i'll stand by both comments a stock 65 will run a good race vs Both as the pp pkg ONLY gains another 40 hp 40tq as the Renntech results are from another neutered oem car ie like the c63's
The extra power gained in tuned clspp would still have less tq though 30 odd more hp, again a great race.. Im over my bench racing for the evening whew! it's strenuous lol
ps that stock sl65 11.50 @ 120 would beat the stock cls pp in your example by 6 car lengths ie clspp 12.1 @ 121 every tenth = 1 length, so again add 40 hp 40 tq after tune on cls pp = just about even..
The extra power gained in tuned clspp would still have less tq though 30 odd more hp, again a great race.. Im over my bench racing for the evening whew! it's strenuous lol
ps that stock sl65 11.50 @ 120 would beat the stock cls pp in your example by 6 car lengths ie clspp 12.1 @ 121 every tenth = 1 length, so again add 40 hp 40 tq after tune on cls pp = just about even..
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wow! I said even a tuned pp cls 63 vs stock 65 of Any model would/will be a great race, I only add that due to Ali stating he handily beats 65's in his stock clstt pp, i'll stand by both comments a stock 65 will run a good race vs Both as the pp pkg ONLY gains another 40 hp 40tq as the Renntech results are from another neutered oem car ie like the c63's
The extra power gained in tuned clspp would still have less tq though 30 odd more hp, again a great race.. Im over my bench racing for the evening whew! it's strenuous lol
The extra power gained in tuned clspp would still have less tq though 30 odd more hp, again a great race.. Im over my bench racing for the evening whew! it's strenuous lol
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I'll take a E coupe with the 4.6tt, it will be the lightest v8TT from MB and possibly BMW and the new audi 4.0TT cars.
But since I have kids, I'll settle for the E class sedan.
The 4.6TT should be able to be tuned to about 475RWHP with tune, and mild exhaust mods. A perfect replacement to my 475RWHP E55.
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Hey ricker kid,
The E63 AMGTT with PP should definitely pull on a SL65 AMG Bone stock from a rolling race. Drag? Well that's different since it's driver and condition dependent. If we're talking bone stock 65 AMG and a stock 63TT with PP, my money is on the 63TT PP from a rolling race in determining which CAR IS FASTER. 1/4 mile doesn't mean much **** to me.
Take it above the 1/4 mile if you want to be determine which car is really faster and do it from a roll. As a matter of fact, try 60 mph to 130 mph. That's better than 1/4 mile. Sorry ricker kid, not every 1/4 mile race determines which car is faster. Point said.
The E63 AMGTT with PP should definitely pull on a SL65 AMG Bone stock from a rolling race. Drag? Well that's different since it's driver and condition dependent. If we're talking bone stock 65 AMG and a stock 63TT with PP, my money is on the 63TT PP from a rolling race in determining which CAR IS FASTER. 1/4 mile doesn't mean much **** to me.
Take it above the 1/4 mile if you want to be determine which car is really faster and do it from a roll. As a matter of fact, try 60 mph to 130 mph. That's better than 1/4 mile. Sorry ricker kid, not every 1/4 mile race determines which car is faster. Point said.
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Everyone is so biased in this board go figure since it's an MB AMG board. Don't be so sure if the new 55TT AMG will smoke the F10 M5.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
I already know by fact straight from BMW that a stock F10 M5 will kill a Porsche Panamera Turbo S from a roll. So if anything it will be a very good fight/race between an E63 AMG TT with PP vs a stock BMW F10 M5.
I'm not trying to be biased or stir up a hornet's nest here. I know you're all biased towards AMG and that's natural since BMW M guys are biased towards their car etc. In truth, I have both MB AMG and a BMW M and I like both for their driving characteristics.
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Hey ricker kid,
The E63 AMGTT with PP should definitely pull on a SL65 AMG Bone stock from a rolling race. Drag? Well that's different since it's driver and condition dependent. If we're talking bone stock 65 AMG and a stock 63TT with PP, my money is on the 63TT PP from a rolling race in determining which CAR IS FASTER. 1/4 mile doesn't mean much **** to me.
Take it above the 1/4 mile if you want to be determine which car is really faster and do it from a roll. As a matter of fact, try 60 mph to 130 mph. That's better than 1/4 mile. Sorry ricker kid, not every 1/4 mile race determines which car is faster. Point said.
The E63 AMGTT with PP should definitely pull on a SL65 AMG Bone stock from a rolling race. Drag? Well that's different since it's driver and condition dependent. If we're talking bone stock 65 AMG and a stock 63TT with PP, my money is on the 63TT PP from a rolling race in determining which CAR IS FASTER. 1/4 mile doesn't mean much **** to me.
Take it above the 1/4 mile if you want to be determine which car is really faster and do it from a roll. As a matter of fact, try 60 mph to 130 mph. That's better than 1/4 mile. Sorry ricker kid, not every 1/4 mile race determines which car is faster. Point said.
Thanks for the belly laugh kid
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We're still not sure how a heavily modified M157 TT models will do in the 1/4 mile due to possible limitations of the MCT at launch point. However, once the cars start rolling, I know they'll be very fast. The speed in shifts alone will definitely have an impact. I think the old 5-speed was capable of shifting at 220 ms vs 100 ms for the MCT, so there is an automatic 0.12 seconds disadvantage at every shift. It will be interesting to see those battles live at the track once more M157 models are sold 
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Hah you just called me a kid. Nice baller swag style car I see there and from your posts, I bet you are below 25 years old. Am I right? And I gave you a laugh because you know I'm right. Just admit it. 1/4 mile ain't mean nothing. Want an ultimate 1/4 mile dragster?
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