E55 Vs Weistec E63
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Curious why you think this way? Taking the stock blower off and adding an aftermarket blower is adding a whole new more efficient power adder.
Lets say for arguments sake, the weistec adds 150rwhp to a stage 3. How is that any different from putting your car on the bottle? The bottle is adding a power adder, and for arguments sake again, lets talk 150 pill hit.
Seems like a lot of folks on here think that be using the spray you are cheating. You are not, it is just another form of generating HP and making your setup more efficient.
A weistec e55 will get walked by a E55 on the bottle generating similar HP from their respective power adders of choice. This will be even more magnified on the street where it really counts
Lets say for arguments sake, the weistec adds 150rwhp to a stage 3. How is that any different from putting your car on the bottle? The bottle is adding a power adder, and for arguments sake again, lets talk 150 pill hit.
Seems like a lot of folks on here think that be using the spray you are cheating. You are not, it is just another form of generating HP and making your setup more efficient.
A weistec e55 will get walked by a E55 on the bottle generating similar HP from their respective power adders of choice. This will be even more magnified on the street where it really counts
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Yes, I understood it was not just engine mods but a whole bunch of other mods that improve it's ET among other things. It's still $150K for mid-10's in a much lighter CLK BS, which means a heavy E63 Weistec shouldn't come close to that performance. Stage 3 55K cars have run low 11's before (with no weight reduction) so a claim that a Weistec E63 would embarrass a stage 3 E55 seems far-fetched. I'd also be concerned about the E63's transmission. Weren't they rated for far lower torque than the old 5-speed?
Second, Do you know how much a CLK63 BS weighs? It weighs 3900+lbs. Which is only 100lbs less than my E55K weighs. Not exactly a MUCH lighter car. Heck, that CLK even has a roll bar.
Third, he ran a 10.6@134mph. That's not only close to the record breaking E55 time of 10.5@130mph done by low profile, but low profile went 4mph SLOWER through the traps and his DA was -700 unlike Jcarts DA which was 2000+. Low profiles 10.5 was no walk in the park...and it shows cause he's the only one who's ever gotten a better time than Jcarts CLK.
The power is definitely there...
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First, you still don't get it. A lot of the money from the supposed $150K do nothing to make the car any quicker in a straight line, it's on other crap that has nothing to do with making the car fast. I'm sure he has spent more than $80K or so on actual go fast mods though, so I don't want to down play it either.
Second, Do you know how much a CLK63 BS weighs? It weighs 3900+lbs. Which is only 100lbs less than my E55K weighs. Not exactly a MUCH lighter car. Heck, that CLK even has a roll bar.
Third, he ran a 10.6@134mph. That's not only close to the record breaking E55 time of 10.5@130mph done by low profile, but low profile went 4mph SLOWER through the traps and his DA was -700 unlike Jcarts DA which was 2000+. Low profiles 10.5 was no walk in the park...and it shows cause he's the only one who's ever gotten a better time than Jcarts CLK.
The power is definitely there...
Second, Do you know how much a CLK63 BS weighs? It weighs 3900+lbs. Which is only 100lbs less than my E55K weighs. Not exactly a MUCH lighter car. Heck, that CLK even has a roll bar.
Third, he ran a 10.6@134mph. That's not only close to the record breaking E55 time of 10.5@130mph done by low profile, but low profile went 4mph SLOWER through the traps and his DA was -700 unlike Jcarts DA which was 2000+. Low profiles 10.5 was no walk in the park...and it shows cause he's the only one who's ever gotten a better time than Jcarts CLK.
The power is definitely there...
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The video that the OP listed was an E63 from Qatar. this was the weistec SC installed without thier software.
you should check it ou right now, its pulling speed like a motherf*****. Ive driven it
.you should check it ou right now, its pulling speed like a motherf*****. Ive driven it
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First, you still don't get it. A lot of the money from the supposed $150K do nothing to make the car any quicker in a straight line, it's on other crap that has nothing to do with making the car fast. I'm sure he has spent more than $80K or so on actual go fast mods though, so I don't want to down play it either.
Second, Do you know how much a CLK63 BS weighs? It weighs 3900+lbs. Which is only 100lbs less than my E55K weighs. Not exactly a MUCH lighter car. Heck, that CLK even has a roll bar.
Third, he ran a 10.6@134mph. That's not only close to the record breaking E55 time of 10.5@130mph done by low profile, but low profile went 4mph SLOWER through the traps and his DA was -700 unlike Jcarts DA which was 2000+. Low profiles 10.5 was no walk in the park...and it shows cause he's the only one who's ever gotten a better time than Jcarts CLK.
The power is definitely there...
Second, Do you know how much a CLK63 BS weighs? It weighs 3900+lbs. Which is only 100lbs less than my E55K weighs. Not exactly a MUCH lighter car. Heck, that CLK even has a roll bar.
Third, he ran a 10.6@134mph. That's not only close to the record breaking E55 time of 10.5@130mph done by low profile, but low profile went 4mph SLOWER through the traps and his DA was -700 unlike Jcarts DA which was 2000+. Low profiles 10.5 was no walk in the park...and it shows cause he's the only one who's ever gotten a better time than Jcarts CLK.
The power is definitely there...
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By the way Chawkins one of the things that makes the 63 so good is the sound, when I heard it I just couldn't forget it. It's a more refined car too. Now no one is saying a Weistec E63 will run JRCart's times but for ~25k invested the car should get into the low 11s, the figures are there so back that claim up.
It would be good if JrCart can clear up some of this "how much he spent" thing.
What's with the torque by the way, why do the 55s have so much damn torque
Exotic's CL55 made over 700wtq which brought tears to my eyes
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Is he a member here? If you can contact him get him to post a video.
By the way Chawkins one of the things that makes the 63 so good is the sound, when I heard it I just couldn't forget it. It's a more refined car too. Now no one is saying a Weistec E63 will run JRCart's times but for ~25k invested the car should get into the low 11s, the figures are there so back that claim up.
It would be good if JrCart can clear up some of this "how much he spent" thing.
What's with the torque by the way, why do the 55s have so much damn torque Exotic's CL55 made over 700wtq which brought tears to my eyes
By the way Chawkins one of the things that makes the 63 so good is the sound, when I heard it I just couldn't forget it. It's a more refined car too. Now no one is saying a Weistec E63 will run JRCart's times but for ~25k invested the car should get into the low 11s, the figures are there so back that claim up.
It would be good if JrCart can clear up some of this "how much he spent" thing.
What's with the torque by the way, why do the 55s have so much damn torque
Exotic's CL55 made over 700wtq which brought tears to my eyes Tom
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I am just gonna save my money on the 5.5TT. 6.2 platform is history. For people who has E63 worth to modify for it but for people has E55 not worth to change E63 + mod. I am sure in 3 years the 5.5TT will be around $50K + range.
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This is true, the 6.2 won't get priority because the new 5.5 TT is so potent and has so much potential. I wish they had brought the 5.5 TT in when the W211 was still in production.
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And think about 3 years later, 55TT will have a lot of parts to mod available...... bigger turbos, airbox, tune....
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I'm pretty shocked at how much nitrous is shunned around here. With all the cooling issues nitrous should do amazing things for these motors. Hot blowers can almost double the power from a typical dose of nitrous just from the tremendous cooling effects. Not uncommon to see close to 100hp gains from what is a 50hp pill on a typical N/A car in the blown mustang/camaro world I come from. A small 25 shot should be pretty noticable and last quite a while on one bottle. Do the pistons just hate the stuff that much?
On a side note, when I refer to the Weistec E63 walking a stage three E55, I am talking on the street. The track is nice and all, but there are two many variables that can deter from which car is faster, and it is not a realistic meausre of which car is faster. YOU can ice your car to death, pull all weight out the car, run race gas etc, but in the end, when you go home, you reverse all that puting it back to street trim and pump gas. A true measure of which car is faster is usually from a 40mph role up to say 150mph. Do that over and over again on the street between a stage 3 and a weistec e63, the E63 will walk it time and time again, why, because the stage 3 will get heat soaked quickly whereas the more efficient weistec will not. Plus the E63 has way better gearing from the 7 spd and way better top end power.
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The GT-Rs, RS6s and Porsches and even the Mercedes TT V12s have shown us the serious power twin turbo engines can made. These new beasts get insane results from just tunes now. It's a very sophisticated engine but the only car I see myself buying with that engine is the CLS63. Like I said the W212 isn't exactly ugly but the W211 would have been so perfect with that engine
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I agree with you on the cooling benefits and the power increase of nitrous but on the road it's hard to imagine running it all the time. Even if a person had a refilling station at home it's still a little more work than jump in the car and leave.
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This is very true. Cogs are great for maximum power output, but their life expectancy is much shorter than a ribbed belt in most applications.
It's mostly because of the smaller supercharger. The larger you go, the less torque it'll put down at low RPM's but the higher the power at higher rpms. The heads do make a difference as well, but the smaller supercharger is key to making tons of utterly useless low end torque...lol.
It's mostly because of the smaller supercharger. The larger you go, the less torque it'll put down at low RPM's but the higher the power at higher rpms. The heads do make a difference as well, but the smaller supercharger is key to making tons of utterly useless low end torque...lol.
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The 2012 race season will be a huge year for Mercedes aftermarket. I'm confident we will see cars going 9s this year. Lowpro has quickest E55 posted to date but there will be many new products for the platform coming out. I'm sure lowpro has some more tricks up his sleeves as well. It will be a fun year for sure. I can see 5+ benzes going 9s this year. I can't wait!!
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The 2012 race season will be a huge year for Mercedes aftermarket. I'm confident we will see cars going 9s this year. Lowpro has quickest E55 posted to date but there will be many new products for the platform coming out. I'm sure lowpro has some more tricks up his sleeves as well. It will be a fun year for sure. I can see 5+ benzes going 9s this year. I can't wait!!
Sorry, I remember you...I just didn't recognize you without the sig. Hope you are right on with your comment though.
Read my ninja edit which was too slow...lol.
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The point was comparing similarly weighted cars...but a clk like yours starts life 500lbs lighter than an E55 so it's kind of not fair. CLK63BS's however weight almost 4000lbs.
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