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E55 vs 2007 EC TUNED S65! Guess who won?

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Old 11-01-2011 | 11:39 AM
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That's kind of a depressing performance from the W221. Makes me even more proud to own Oxygen's 600.
Old 11-01-2011 | 11:42 AM
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I could see you pulling away from the 65 from a dig (because of the weight) but on the highway where the weight doesn't play as much as a factor I'm having a hard time believing this. I mean you pulled on him like nothing. Just doesn't seem right to me
Old 11-01-2011 | 11:42 AM
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That's kind of a depressing performance from the W221. Makes me even more proud to own Oxygen's 600.
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Old 11-01-2011 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AKnight55
I could see you pulling away from the 65 from a dig (because of the weight) but on the highway where the weight doesn't play as much as a factor I'm having a hard time believing this. I mean you pulled on him like nothing. Just doesn't seem right to me
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and for the 55 guys

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Old 11-01-2011 | 11:58 AM
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What does a Eurocharge tune net on the S65, 60-75whp? That car is heavier than a whale, weight might have LESS to do with a race on the highway but it still matters, you can't honestly say if that car weighed 4000 pounds it would still pull the same. If Hadi's car is a 10s car, then he would definitely kill a EC tuned S65.
Old 11-01-2011 | 12:04 PM
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Bingo! The W221 S65 weighs 5,035lbs. I don't think they would be seeing a 126mph trap speed unless they were running a 100 octane tune and doing a cat-deleted exhaust (and maybe some weight reductions on top of that).
Wow! 5,035lbs. I didn't know that they were that heavy. But boy is the W211 S65 sexy..
Old 11-01-2011 | 12:05 PM
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Nice kill, but a healthy tuned 65 should walk away on a top end pull, even from a heavily modded E55. Bone stock S65's with drags only have hit 11.5's, and tuned ones in the 10's all day long.
Old 11-01-2011 | 01:25 PM
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Here are the 2 stock to stock and the result is almost exact opposite of Hadis race. I always say it, SOME E55s are just stronger than others. Hadi snagged a good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIoj1TwQGXM
Old 11-01-2011 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Here are the 2 stock to stock and the result is almost exact opposite of Hadis race. I always say it, SOME E55s are just stronger than others. Hadi snagged a good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIoj1TwQGXM
I dont understand what this is showing us??

Plus its an m5board video, can never trust those f-ers
Old 11-01-2011 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Here are the 2 stock to stock and the result is almost exact opposite of Hadis race. I always say it, SOME E55s are just stronger than others. Hadi snagged a good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIoj1TwQGXM
That is a W220 S65 which weighs almost 250lbs less than the W221 S65. A 65 with just a tune isn't going to see an enormous increase in peak hp in comparison to a fully modded E55.

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Old 11-01-2011 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AKnight55
I dont understand what this is showing us??

Plus its an m5board video, can never trust those f-ers

Some local AMG guys should get together and throw Gustav a beating..
Old 11-01-2011 | 01:56 PM
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Some local AMG guys should get together and throw Gustav a beating..
not a bad idea, but he recently sold the forum...
Old 11-01-2011 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by e500slr
What does a Eurocharge tune net on the S65, 60-75whp? That car is heavier than a whale, weight might have LESS to do with a race on the highway but it still matters, you can't honestly say if that car weighed 4000 pounds it would still pull the same. If Hadi's car is a 10s car, then he would definitely kill a EC tuned S65.
79 rwhp and 100 rwt..

https://mbworld.org/forums/s55-amg-s...ing-video.html

Okay, so this w220 s65 is over 5,000 lbs.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10181.html

So add .2 for the w221 being 200 lbs heavier and your your still looking at a 11.3 second car MAX, prob more like 11.2.. And thats 1/4 mile times where the 55 would have the advantage, and this video is highway where the 65 would have the advantage . So the 65 must have been playing around, thats my guess.
Old 11-01-2011 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chawkins2001
Nice kill, but a healthy tuned 65 should walk away on a top end pull, even from a heavily modded E55. Bone stock S65's with drags only have hit 11.5's, and tuned ones in the 10's all day long.
a well tuned s65 should pull pretty hard on the highway- 10's all day long with a tune only s65, not on this planet.
Old 11-01-2011 | 03:11 PM
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Outstanding!! Don't mess with the E55 .
Old 11-01-2011 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 02cl55amg
a well tuned s65 should pull pretty hard on the highway- 10's all day long with a tune only s65, not on this planet.
I agree. Tune only is not going to get you into the 10's. Roger Ver's S65 is not indicative of what a tune only will do. His trap speed is much higher than what any tune only 65 has run. Supposedly some people have tested the RENNtech airboxes on a dyno for gains up to 40rwhp (do a search on here to see for yourself). Also, there was speculation that he was running a very aggressive customized tune on the 65 (check out his AFRs on the dyno chart). 65's with race gas tunes, bigger intercoolers and catless exhaust aren't running that much higher than Roger Ver's run...so people shouldn't take one isolated run as Gospel.

My Kleemann tuned (BMC drop-in filters) CL65 dyno'ed 576rwhp and was able to run a best 11.209 ET on drag radials and a best 124.00 mph trap speed in pretty good DA (weighing 4,505lbs). There are plenty of E55's which have bettered those times. Now laden the 65 platform with another 500lbs...and I am sure there would be plenty more E55s out there that would walk it.

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Old 11-01-2011 | 03:47 PM
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not a bad idea, but he recently sold the forum...
Really?!? I had no idea. I'm on the M5board quite often too..
Old 11-01-2011 | 03:50 PM
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FWIW, Andy's (MHP) tune only SL65 ran 11.0x.... I would assume same weight as me... 4400 lbs or so..

Yeah, with it's heft, I cant see a tune only W221 in the 10s. From what I read, 12.4-12.6 seems to be what they run stock. You're not losing 1.5s with just a tune.
Old 11-01-2011 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HadiLaw
There was nothing wrong with the S65, however, there is a problem with my car. ITS TOO FAST! hahahaa.

I was a bit nervous to race him, but Shardul, Brooke and I have put so much time into this car and its working out!

I need to get her to a track to see her real potential!
Again nice job I'm not surprised at all by the outcome.
Old 11-01-2011 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama
FWIW, Andy's (MHP) tune only SL65 ran 11.0x.... I would assume same weight as me... 4400 lbs or so..

Yeah, with it's heft, I cant see a tune only W221 in the 10s. From what I read, 12.4-12.6 seems to be what they run stock. You're not losing 1.5s with just a tune.
Sort of like the Redskins, on paper, with the payroll. . .Super Bowl every year. . .put them on the field. . .walked

Hadi - sick BEAST!!!!!!!!!!
Old 11-01-2011 | 04:52 PM
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Old 11-01-2011 | 05:06 PM
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Re: S65

My EC tuned V12 is crazy fast on top end, and I'm tune only with BMC filters.

While this E55 looks to be really strong, I suspect something ails this S65.
Old 11-01-2011 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by e500slr
What does a Eurocharge tune net on the S65, 60-75whp? That car is heavier than a whale, weight might have LESS to do with a race on the highway but it still matters, you can't honestly say if that car weighed 4000 pounds it would still pull the same. If Hadi's car is a 10s car, then he would definitely kill a EC tuned S65.
I don't think the tune will gain 60-75 whp.... maybe 40 to 50 top on wheel.
Old 11-01-2011 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlyE500
I don't think the tune will gain 60-75 whp.... maybe 40 to 50 top on wheel.
Your wrong

https://mbworld.org/forums/s55-amg-s...ing-video.html
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Sort of like the Redskins, on paper, with the payroll. . .Super Bowl every year. . .put them on the field. . .walked

Hadi - sick BEAST!!!!!!!!!!
There's few things that mean more to me than my beloved Redskins. Tread lightly...

I'll be sure to remember this post next time I'm piloting your car. How many sets of rear tires am I directly responsible for?

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