HadiLaw

The owner of the S65 is a good friend of mine. He has been wanting to race me for a long time. Jerry of Eurocharged can let you know his last dyno numbers. It was running very strong and healthy. He was very upset after he lost the races.

My car is just a beast.

Thericker

The SL65 weighs decidedly more, it's the ONLY 65 model to come standard equipment w/LSD diff, all other CL/S 65's DON'T come w/LSD as standard equipment, it's an option. Also the 65 motor weighs a tad bit more w/half a liter in displacement 6.0 vs the 5.5 liter in 600 v12 biturbo models.

I believe if memory serves, the SL65 model weighs 4550-4600+ vs the SL600 @ 4370.. These weights are w/OUT drivers.. Clay, your SL600 pic on scale w/OUT driver showed 4370

Q? From video I hear a passenger in the E55? So the S65 must have a passenger as well or? I'm in the E55 camp on this arguement, it could easily accomplish the video results esp if the heavier 07'-up S65 had a passenger?

The 5035 lbs Tom quoted is w/out ANY driver or passengers, so add 200 lbs ea for average guy you have a 2007 S65 @ 5035 lbs + 400 lbs in peep's add some fuel etc that rig prolly weighed 5500 + lbs

I've seen umpteen Dyno tuned 65/600 v12's there just isn't 80 rwhp left on that engine w/ECU tune ONLY, add a RACE gas ms109 tune, Down Pipes, cat delete, & then you'll see 80 rwhp gains..

If Hadi's 55k is in 10.9x country it'd MOST DEFINITELY bring the pain to this 2007 S65 @ 5250-5500 + lbs EVEN from a roll-on as vid shows, the heavier S65 TUNE only isn't UNBEATABLE by ANY means.. I've driven a 2008 S65 (friends in Las Vegas) the extra weight is very noticable w/OUT any passengers, add the ancient 5 speed slush- box, & extremely TALL 2.65 gearing Free-way pulls are a dissapointment in the newer w221's

Zod

Can we stop quoting the tune re seller as a tuner please
just go get it from the source cheaper and with out shampoo that turns to rock in your ECU

Benz-O-Rama

The SL65 is that much heavier than our cars? I guess that .5liter, slightly larger brakes and LSD do add up. Doesn't it get a slightly larger h/e too? Can't remember. OH, it also gets those boat anchor, but gorgeous, 2pc 19" wheels too! Can't forget those, so yeah... you're probably right.

Good point about the LSD! Totally forgot about that too. It should also be mentioned that Andy's 11.0x runs were at MIR, the miracle track.

Learned a little bit in this thread today. I swear before this thread, I would've bet a left nut, that a tuned W221 S65 would be a mid-11 car, at the least.

Yeah, even recently.....as like in ....TODAY, I've seen more of his epoxy handy work. I mean, I guess it doesn't hurt the electronics but damn, he puts a lot of that stuff in there.

_AMG_

Very impressive!
That 55 is a BEAST!

HadiLaw

The S65 did have a passenger in his vehicle also. I've weighed my car on the scale at the tracks, and with just myself in the vehicle it came in at 4350lbs. I've driven this S65 before, and it just doesn't have "get up an go" feeling. Maybe because it has an extremely smooth ride, but there was no aggressive feeling like the E55.

blackbenzz

He also had a decent driver

Exotic-metal55

A bunch of us raced a renntech tuned S65 a year and half ago and I was making about 520 hp back then and he killed us all from a roll! We had Cutt, me, shardul, Hadi and few others run him..

The 65 makes around 575 to 600 rwhp after tune and tons of TQ. It should be a close race, if all cars are in thier right mind.

Nice Kill either way for the HADSTER!!! He is the king of videos! He drives around with his own personel videographer..lol

BlownV8

From my personal experience, I picked up over 124 RHWP with just a Renntech ECU/TCU tune on my old CL600.

Hammer Down

I heard that Hadi has a faternal twin being built out west

cahiil55k

Nice kill Hadi. I'm not sure why some people are in shock that a full bolt-on E55 spanked a tuned S65. It's on video and the S65 dyno shows it is healthy. End of story.

tbal

Solid kill man! It is what it is, your cars a beast and the 65 had no chance. Don't know wtf the bickering is about.

Reminds me of of when my brothers cls55 laid an *** whooping on my m6. People were calling the race "rigged" and car was having "problems". Always the fanboys.

Infiniti

+1

V12Godspeed

Here come the pain!!!!

Yeah, what most said. Those extra few pounds will definitely be felt, even from a roll. The 55 is agile and its able to put bus lenghts. On an earlier 65 model i'd watch my steps though.

Thericker

What you're seeing is a Happy dyno & or operator tweeking things a bit to show crazy gains & sell tunes, as the dyno machines can ALL read higher or lower than eachother but the actual gains POST tuning are what were really after.

Having said that follow me here, your previous TUNE ONLY CL600 (TCU can partially remove TQ limitters, but that will have ZERO EFFECT on rwhp gains)

Your 600 starts @ 14 psi in stock form, TUNED the boost will be raised to 20-21 psi, so each pound of boost on OTHERWISE STOCK 600 is worth about 7-9 rwhp maybe as high as 10 rwp, again you have 6-7 psi to play with = what EVERY OTHER tune ONLY 600 V12 BITURBO gains 50-65 rwhp @ peak/max gains, Though you can see up to 100 rwp gains UNDER THE CURVE for a BRIEF 1000 -1200 rpm's not the same as STATING "you picked up over 124 rwhp w/ECU tune"

If peak # gains thru ENTIRE CURVE?? Your 600 wasn't working @ full potential BEFORE tuning IE IC pump on way out or plethora of other variables easily tweeked to show what will appear to be legit 124+ rwhp gains.

Add a few bags of ice to the tops of your intercoolers POST tune, I've personally seen this in action you could gain 25-30 rwhp thru ENTIRE dyno curve w/this little trick alone on v12 biturbo models. It basically tricks the ECU into thinking POST tune the Ambient Air temperature has suddenly dropped to 45-55 degrees outside from up to 95 + degrees..

Now add that to 100-109 High Octane Tune, another 25-30 rwhp thru entire curve and guess what you're left with from your 124+ rwp gains? 64 rwhp Truly Legit gained from the 6-7 psi left on the 600 V12tt platform...

Now go on to the 65 AMG's STOCK @ 18 psi again aftermarket tuners push it to 21-22 psi.That leaves 3-4 psi to play with on your BASIC TUNE ONLY, 65's have slightly larger turbo inlet wheels among few other AMG bits which increases the rwhp gains per pound of boost to anywhere between 11-13 rwhp... You now can see how impossible the 80 rwhp gains quoted in other posts are not happening, UNLESS otherwise moded or temporarily Ice Cooled etc..

BlownV8

Ricker, I've got nothing to prove here but only what I experienced. I mentioned the TCU because Renntech calls it their ECU/TCU tune. I know it has nothing to do with RWHP. Car dynoed a little less than 400 RHWP stock and 525 RWHP after the ECU/TCU tune from Renntech. I posted the results years ago with copies of the dyno chart. It was making over 500 RWHP for a significant duration of the run after the tune and not just a spike. I live in Florida so they tuned for 93 octane. Not sure how much that matters vs a CA tune.

Dyno operator was independent of the tune. Did not buy it from them. Only used their dyno. Same intercooler pump as first run and within a week or so of the first run. The only difference was higher octane fuel. But I've heard that it does not translate to much higher hp readings unless the car is tuned to run on 100 plus octane. Even going by what you said about the fuel, I got a legitimate 100+ RWHP out of the ECU tune.

I posted about my results back in 2007:
https://mbworld.org/forums/cl-class-...-renntech.html

Renntech says 132 hp increase from their tune. I gained a bit more but that was probably due to increased octane.
http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/node/366

Thericker

Not trying to upset ya, but your 600 obviously fell into my category.. IE stock V12 600 tt on most widely used Dyno's DynoJet (your post Tune #'s are exactly what 600's make on DynoJets w/ ECU tune ONLY) But your STOCK figures are sorely OFF IE DynoJet #'s again BONE STOCK 600 V12tt make bet 450-460 rwhp ALL DAY LONG w/NO tricks So again take your POST TUNE 525 rwhp & reverse back to what your CL600 should've made 450-460 & you'll see 65+ rwhp to be made, right inline w/my figures..

I followed your links, you admit using 104 octane, even if NOT tuned for it Turbo cars love race gas, it's worth 20+ rwhp w/out even tuning for it on these V12tt's

02cl55amg

how's about we get both these cars to the drags and see what they do? be curious to see what they both mph.
any 1/4 mi times on this e55? looks like a pretty stout mod list.
congrats on the win, you put multiple lengths on that s65 to 150mph

BlownV8

I have seen some freaks that dyno around 450 RWHP but I've also seen them dyno very close to my figure. I gained over 100 RWHP on the tune. Again, not trying to upset you, just sharing my experience. It was also the experience of others I spoke to before getting the tune as well as Renntech directly.

Here is a CL600 that was 418 RWHP stock. It gained 78 RWHP but it was on a Speedriven tune. When I was researching the tunes, I heard over and over that the Renntech tune produced the highest numbers more often than any other ECU tunes. http://tuningbible.com/?attachment_id=799


Here is the dyno chart from my runs. I was very pleased with the results. Once again, results can vary stock and tuned. Just sharing my experience and not trying to discredit anyone.
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...65-cldyno3.jpg

TMC M5

Wow those are some odd looking dynos!

It looks like the two runs on the Speedriven dyno were done in different gears.

Your dyno looks like the dyno operator just nailed the throttle and the car down shifted and then upshifted (on both runs). It doesn't look like he tried to do a run keeping it in a specific gear and doing a pull. I have never seen a stock 600 Biturbo pull that low of a # on a dynojet....

Tom

BenzoBoi

In the end, no matter what the cars look like on paper, the 55k took the 65 this time around.

Good kill

tbal

chawkins2001

I stand corrected bro, I did not even notice it was a new S65. It is so shweet to see the E55 creep up in power over the years. It just keeps creeping and creeping as members keep pushing the envelope and sharing information on the boards.

I wonder if it is safe to say that we are now king of the V12 benz motors too I think the ones to be careful of, now that we are speaking cannibalism, is those pesky C63's!!!

AKnight55

Get this 55 to the track then.. If it doesnt go 10s, im smelling something fishy going on in this video or the tune in the 65 somehow got flashed back to stock..

CharlyE500

+1