WILL A 19" AMG DOUBLE SPOKE 2PC WITH 8 1/2" IN THE FRONT AND 10" ON THE BACK FIT MY NEW E55. I CALL MANY PLACES AND SOME SAY IT WILL AND SOME SAY IT WON'T FIT. CAN SOMEONE HELP?

 

In about two weeks I will. I have the exact setup in my garage awaiting my car. If it doesn't work, Ebay here I come!

 

Kaneman, do you have any pics of your wheels and tires larger than your avatar?

These wheels are offered on tirerack as appropriate application for W211.

 

Here's a link to a thread in the Wheel/Tire forum that I posted some pics on. The wait is KILLING me, the car is on the boat (Hual Tropicana) and it's due into Jacksonville on the 26th... so with any luck it'll clear the VPC by the 28th and I'll have it by July 2nd!!

 

Yes, they will fit. If they dont, I'll give full refund!! But they are so nice that you wouldnt want to return them! Hahaha!!!

 

Sounds like the R230 SL wheels to me. The 19" Double Spoke 2PC for W211 is:

19X8.5 et30
19X9.5 et31

The R230 wheels are:
19X8.5 et25
19X10 et28

 

did anyone put the 19" AMG DOUBLE SPOKE 2PC on their e-class yet ?
i want to see how's it looks like on the E
any real pic?

 

Harris,

sent you an email regarding amg 2 piece style IV - 18". Just wondering if you ever got the email.

 

I sent my reply at 1:18pm earlier this afternoon. Havent you received it???

 

Never got it. Can you resend it @ boyetg@aol.com.

Thanks.

 

Is it because you have some kind of junk mail filter on? I was sending my reply using hartonmotorwerks@shaw.ca because the other accts will got bounced back. I'll re-send it first thing tomorrow morning as the "sent message" is on my office computer.

 

Harris - Thanks and looking forward to your response.

 

I don't want to rain on anyones parade here, but the standard rear offset on the W211 is 39mm. The SL offset is 28mm, this rim will protrude a full 24mm further outward than the standard rim. I think that rubbing could be a real problem, especially if the car is lowered at all. To give you an idea, the standard 265 rears with this combo will protrude further than 285's on the "correct" offset/size. Also the fronts will be the same as trying to run a 265 with the correct offset/size.
If you stick to standard sizes 245 and 265 and do not lower the car at all, this may work, but would suggest to buy the right wheels in the first place which are 19X8.5 et 30 and 19X9.5 et 31.
As E55 KEV has pointed out, these are the R230, not W211 rims.

 

I am sorry stephens. I have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. What does it have to do with the standard rear offset? Yes, there is a Style IV 19x8.5 ET30 and 19x9.5 ET31 made for the E55. With these wheels, AMG recommends to use 245/35/19 and 275/30/19 tires. And I guess we can all agree that this is a perfect fit. Let's focus on the rear wheel only. If you change the rear with a 19x10 ET28 wheel and put the same size of rear tires on, everything will remain the same except there is a 3mm difference between the two. I dont know where did you derive the "24mm further outward theory".

The standard sizes are definitely not 245/265 as the diameters for the two tires are off by quite a bit. And 285 is also not the "correct" size. I saw on the wheels forum that you mentioned that you have just purchased the Brabus Monoblock VI wheels (btw, super nice wheels, I had them on my car a year ago ), and you said ".....Brabus has a 255/285 on 19" wheel option for the W211....." Well, the W211 Brabus catalog is right in front of me now and I cannot find in anywhere that Brabus recommends 255 for the front for the 19". For the rear, 9.5x19, the "approved tire fitment is 275/30/19 or 285/30/19". However, there are 3 asterisks printed after the sizing and that 3 asterisks represent "modifications required Version II - for sufficient wheel clearance with 19" and 20" wheels". Are you VERY sure 255/285 will work and will not rub??

There are a lot of people who think they know a lot of things, but a lot people are reading all these posts here and taken our advice. Imagine someone took the advice and order a set of 255/285 tires but later found out that they're rubbing like hell. Who will be responsible for his "hassles"? Tuners will ALWAYS give recommendation conservatively because they do not want to see any customers go back to them and complaint. There are many things that many end users have tried (although not recommended by tuners) and proven to be working, I am not saying the 255/285 will never work, but until we have some solid proof, its better for any of us to watch out for what we're saying on a public forum. Cool? :p

 

Harris

Given you have knowledge of wheel/tyre fitting, you would be aware that rim size is irrelevant to some extent, it is the overall width and rolling diameter that we need to concern ourselves with and how wheel sizes effect them, in conjunction to the offset issue.

Your concerns of 255/285 working are well founded and that is why I am highlighting this issue. 255's and 285's require modifications to fit properly.

The SL55 Styling IV on the rear is a 10". Any tyre is going to have a fitted section width almost 1/2" wider with this wheel fitment. (Michelin suggests for example an increase of 0.5" in wheel width will equate to 0.2" increase in tyre section width.)

The standard rear is a 9", this wheel is a 10" there is 12.27mm difference in wheel protrusion without the offset difference. The difference in offset is 11mm over standard not 3mm as you suggest, because I am talking about the original 18" fitting. I am saying that the wheel combination will protrude almost one full inch further than the standard 18" rim. This is a fact that cannot be disputed. I fail to see the relevance of other wheel/tyre combination fittings to this stament.

A 285 rear fits well with a 35mm offset. I personally think MB's fitment of 31mm could be pushing it to far to fit a 285. My understanding is that fender work is required on the 275 fitting by AMG. Your suggested fitting is the equivalent of running 295's on a 35mm offset (Brabus etc use this for 285 rears). I honestly don't know if this will work. I do not believe the suggestion of a 275 on this width/offset combo will not work. It is almost the same as running a 295 on the AMG 19X9.5 et31.
(Remeber extra rim width equals extra tyre section width as well as the change in offset)

The same issues apply at the front. The rim is wider than standard, the offset is 5mm less than standard. A 245 front will sit the same as a 260-265 front section tyre on the correct offsets. This will definately rub on a lowered car such as mine.
Brabus 19" Monoblock VI's running 255/35 front and 285/30 rear, even so part of the fitting requires further modification of the wheel arches. This is the same fitting used on the EV12.

In summary the problem is that the SL wheel is both wider than standard as well as a different offset. It is the combination of these two issues that could cause problems.

Someone on the board has posted a query on an unknown. I am sharing my experience for what it is worth. I may be completely wrong, but I am suggesting some caution.

 

I am still digesting of what you said in the last post. I hope I can get your message right.....

Right, if you put a 275 tire on a 19x9.5 and a 19x10 wheel, the inner part of the tire will be stretched out by 0.5", which is reflected by looking at the sidewall. A 275 tire will still be a 275 tire no matter it is mounted on a 7.5" wheel or a 10" wheel.

The original question was: will a 19x10 fit on a E55. My answer is yes. Then you said there is a difference of 11mm offset between the stock 18" vs the 19x10 (which I agree). But my point is if a 19x9.5 ET31 works, why does a 19x10 ET28 would not work? I was comparing the 19x9.5 and 19x10. The difference in offsets between the two IS 3mm. I am not very interested and also I think its irrelevant to compare a 18x9 wheel to a 19x10 wheel. Its just we are talking about two different things.
This is not correct. A 285 rear will NOT fit well with a 35mm offset, Brabus already stated that it WILL NEED modifications for wheel clearance. MB fitment of 31mm is perfectly fine for 275 tires, I think nobody is suggesting to use 285 on the 19x9.5 except you. And I dont think AMG will do something that "....could be pushing it to far...." All AMG cars have pre-rolled fenders from the factory, if AMG says 275 will work, NO fender rolling is necessary. Extra rim width equals extra INSIDE tire section, like I said earlier, a 275 tire will still be 275 no matter its a 9.5 or 10 wheel. The contact patch will be the same no matter what. Why will it change the OFFSET??? I agree that the 19x10 sidewall will stretch out more than the 19x9.5. If the 19x10 is to put on a regular W211, it might not work because the fenders are not pre-rolled.
Again, its a matter of stretching the tire from the INSIDE, a 245 front with the extra 0.5" in wheel width will NOT become a 265 tire. You have to understand, tuners will do ANYTHING to make their showcars work, for them to put 255/285 on the EV12 is easy, all they have to do is to pull the fender out or use custom offsets on their wheels.

 

Harris

The question was not will a 19X10 fit the W211 E55, it was will the R230 19" aftermarket AMG fitment fit.
"The original question was: will a 19x10 fit on a E55. My answer is yes. Then you said there is a difference of 11mm offset between the stock 18" vs the 19x10 (which I agree). But my point is if a 19x9.5 ET31 works, why does a 19x10 ET28 would not work? I was comparing the 19x9.5 and 19x10. The difference in offsets between the two IS 3mm. I am not very interested and also I think its irrelevant to compare a 18x9 wheel to a 19x10 wheel. Its just we are talking about two different things.
"
The fact is that fitted with a 275 tyre, the wheel tyre would actually protrude a further 30mm over stock. If there is a 30mm clearance there, this should be fine, but I don't believe there is. That is the relevance. Rim diameter is irrelavent as the rolling diameter of the 275/30/19 and the 265/35/18 is within 1% difference.

"This is not correct. A 285 rear will NOT fit well with a 35mm offset, Brabus already stated that it WILL NEED modifications for wheel clearance. MB fitment of 31mm is perfectly fine for 275 tires, I think nobody is suggesting to use 285 on the 19x9.5 except you. "
Duh, I said that it DOES require bodywork twice in the post

"All AMG cars have pre-rolled fenders from the factory, if AMG says 275 will work, NO fender rolling is necessary. Extra rim width equals extra INSIDE tire section, like I said earlier, a 275 tire will still be 275 no matter its a 9.5 or 10 wheel. The contact patch will be the same no matter what. "
AMG states that body modifications are required for the 19" conversion. This is a fact. Go to the AMG owners club forum, I think they actually have the required mods online. remember also this is for a car that actually comes with 255's and 285's standard.

Harris I am not going to waste anymore time on this except to make the following points.

1. It is a specific requirement for bodywork modifications on an SL55 for the fitting of these wheels. I am happy to point you in the right directions, but the instructions of what is required can be obtained from AMG in germany directly.
2. Contact patch and section width are two different issues. You cannot change the tire tread contact patch but certainly the section width. It is the increase in section width that causes rubbing when you hit bumps.
3. Increased rim width is shared equally on a rim, it is not "added to the inside" as you suggest. This is what offset is, this tells you how far from the centre point of the rim the mounting point is.
Accordingly your statement about the extra width being on the inside is nonsense. A 1" increase in rim width is evenly distributed on both sides. To make it on the inside only, you would increase the offset by 1/2" ie 12.7mm.

I am not here to argue with you, just to correct some fundamental misunderstandings of tyre and wheel fitment that you appear to have.

 

stephens: I see this as a discussion. I never treat it as an "arguement". I am trying to learn something here.

What I dont understand is why do you keep comparing the 19x10 to the stock setup. AMG made a set of 19x8.5 ET30 and 19x9.5 ET31 wheels specifically for the E55, what I have been saying all along is if those wheels fit, I see no reason WHY 19x10 ET28 wont fit if you put the same tires on. You keep telling me the offset is 11mm over stock etc etc......can't the stock wheels are hiding too much inside? Sorry, I dont get your point.

YOU made a comment "A 285 rear fits well with a 35mm offset" two posts earlier. I think you meant otherwise?

Until someone put a set of 19" AMG wheels on, we will never know. Thats why I said PROOF is the most important thing. I surf AMG Owners Club too, I know there're some discussions regarding 19" wheels there. But I can't see anywhere on the official AMG site that fender modifications are needed for 19" upgrades. Please give me a link if possible. I find it pretty stupid if AMG makes a 19" wheel upgrade for the E55 & owners have to roll their fenders in order to make it fit, how many people will do that?

Either I have misinterpreted you completely (or you have expressed yourself not clear enough). You were saying "....It is almost the same as running a 295 on the AMG 19X9.5 et31.(Remeber extra rim width equals extra tyre section width as well as the change in offset)...." I dont get it, from my interpretation, are you saying the extra rim width is almost the same as running 295 on the ET31 wheel?? Are you saying people can just buy 275 tires and mount it on a 19x9.5 ET31 wheel and then they'll become 295 tires?? And the extra rim width also contribute to the increase in offset???? I cannot agree that the extra width in rim will result in a change in offset. Kindly please elaborate your viewpoint.

 

This handy little calculator may help all those reading this thread understand the issues a little better.

http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/offset.html

Another point here is that rim height is irrelevant as long as the total height of the rim and tire is not changed significantly. This can be determined by looking at the tire specs for the tire in question. I don't think comparing the stock 18" rim to a 19" rim is irrelevant as long as you're comparing their width and offset.

For people trying to determine if a different wheel will fit their W211, I would compare the wheel size with that on the E55 to get a basic idea how the rim will line up. If pushing the limit on clearance, then only trial and error or speaking to someone who has tried out the fitment already will do.

 

Harris
You seem to have understood my point now, I am sorry if i was less than clear previously. Yes a 275 on a 10" rim will have a greater section width than a 285 on a 9" rim.
It is the section width that you need to worry about with regards rubbing problems with this fitment.

 

I got the offset details today for my car to use as a comparison.
The Brabus rims run a 29mm offset and I have no rubbing problems, even with my lowered car, so the front SL wheels with 245/35/19 tyres should be fine. My rears are a 35mm offset and the 285's are VERY close, but do not rub either, I would say that with a 265/30/19 you would have no problems, but the 275 fitting may be marginal and would probably require some minor rear fender work. BTW I am using Michelin Pilot Sports.

Harris
I just checked the full Brabus price list, the 255/285 combo is definately listed in the latest version.

 

I was directed to this post by a friend of mine who wanted some clarification on this fitment and it sure looks like ya'll are talking in circles with some false info and some true info.

Will the 10" wheel 28mm fit in the rear of an E55 .... yes

does the 9.5" wheel have a 31mm offset ... yes

the difference in where the outboard lip of the wheel sits is only 3.35mm

is a 265 on a 10" wheel wider than a 275 on a 9.5" wheel ... depends on the tire ... not all tires are created equal

I haven't had a W211 E55 to verify any of the fitment issues todate but we are anxiously waiting for 1 of them to come here because those 8 piston front calipers are going to be tough to clear for any wheel

 

I unfortunately posted a long, detailed explanation of what Wheel Offset means and its impact on fitment to a given car, etc.

I mistakenly posted this useful, informative information on the thread entitled: "W211 Wheel Fitment." It might come in handy for finally mediating/settling the Harris vs. stephens battle. My comments are located on Page 2 (maybe the forum moderator
can move that entire post to this ("Amg Wheels?" thread):

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...0&pagenumber=2

 

Luke
There is not one major tyre manufacturer that concurs with your statement. The answer is not maybe, it is certainly. The info is freely available on Bridgstone, Pirelli and wait for it, the Tire Rack web site too. I spoke to a tyre specialist yesterday (no I'm not obsessed by the issue, we are buying new wheels and tyres for the wifes car) and he showed me the various manufacturer fitting books, which ALL clearly indicate this to be the case.
The average 265/275 that would be fitted to an E55 will be wider on a 10" over a 9.5".

What do you mean that not all tyres are created equal? You can argue that Brand X on a 9.5 is the same as Brand Y on a 10", which is a function of the individual tyre, but your statement certainly doesn't convey this meaning.

I am not posting to be difficult or retentive, these are real issues that people who modify there cars need to understand before investing large amounts of their own money. It's not much fun discovering when reversing and turning on an uneven surface that the front tyre catches the inside of your guard and pulls it out, as an example. (This happened to me on my lowered W210 E55 with 245 Pirelli P Zero yellows on the front.)

The fitting of the relevant AMG 19" to both the SL and E55 requires wheel well modification for TUV certification in Germany where they are sold. The details of these mods are available from AMG directly.

All I am suggesting is caution. The tyre/wheel combo originally discussed may fit without rubbing in normal usage i.e. no track work etc, or with the right tyre.