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Old 04-21-2015, 02:12 PM
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Interesting DIY. Looks good.
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In my experience it was no good so far. Car sets adaptation faults. I sent a p/m to the O/P to ask if he ever got adaption faults. My car may be more sensitive with the Afe filters then others.

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In my experience it was no good so far. Car sets adaptation faults. I sent a p/m to the O/P to ask if he ever got adaption faults. My car may be more sensitive with the Afe filters then others.
Guess if your getting lean fault it worked when it comes to increasing air into the motor, ECU likely just hasn't adapted yet. I'm going to try this with a tune.
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Old 04-23-2015, 08:07 PM
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I talked to Jerry at Eurocharged. He said there is nothing they do when it comes to that. He said the Euro cars have a different part number for the MAS, but their tune will not correct for it.

I bit the bullet and bought some new boxes from a member. If using an SDS to reset adaptations won't correct it, I'm not sure what else will.
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I talked to Jerry at Eurocharged. He said there is nothing they do when it comes to that. He said the Euro cars have a different part number for the MAS, but their tune will not correct for it.

I bit the bullet and bought some new boxes from a member. If using an SDS to reset adaptations won't correct it, I'm not sure what else will.


Well when you buy the ROW Airboxes most place include new MAF sensors. Maybe if you do this mod you just need the new sensors??
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:25 AM
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I've talked to quite a few people who have done the mod with no issues. My car maybe just sensitive to the change for some reason.
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Originally Posted by layzie12g View Post
I've talked to quite a few people who have done the mod with no issues. My car maybe just sensitive to the change for some reason.


So your car never adapted to the airbox mod? Did you just take them right off?
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:53 AM
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I reset adaptations using an sds. Twice. The light would come and go and store the same faults.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:06 PM
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ROW Air boxes $169.99 each https://www.fcpeuro.com/cart
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I know this is old thread however reset adaptations and install a mesh screen in front of the MAF to straighten the air and fault code disappears

google "turbulent air across maf causing lean code".
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I get the CEL when I take out my charcoal filters so I put them back.
Also I did notice with the charcoal filters out going uphill the engine would have this stutter...went away when I put the charcoal filters back.
I do run the AFE filters already, I guess that's good enough for extra airflow.
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I get the CEL when I take out my charcoal filters so I put them back.
Also I did notice with the charcoal filters out going uphill the engine would have this stutter...went away when I put the charcoal filters back.
I do run the AFE filters already, I guess that's good enough for extra airflow.
I pulled the charcoal filters on mine and didn't get a CEL or have any issues.
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:37 PM
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Modding factory air boxes to remove part of the trumpet is not recommended by myself. After I did this, it introduced dead spots in the pedal upon acceleration from low speeds. This is due to the fact more air is coming through and bypassing the airflow sensor causing a lean condition. In that it causes acceleration to fall flat or stumble. In addition to this, my idle at times goes lean and causes the engine to stumble. This did not occur before the modification to air boxes.

Plan is to replace with OEM unmodified boxes or purchase ROW boxes.
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Old 09-26-2018, 01:12 PM
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modified air boxes do not work as the sensor is not pointed in the direction of the additional flow that bypasses the sensor.

Here is my airbox when I removed my lids after I got fed up of the dead spots in my fueling map at throttle tip in. I also have a tune, so no check engine light, but honestly no tune can compensate for the inability to measure the incoming air. the sensor itself is faced the wrong way to work with cutting the trumpet off. If the sensor was further downstream we would have zero issues as all air incoming from cutting of the trumpet will be metered.

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Hi,

what maf value should be on idle? 6gr? 25-30kg?
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