2012 M5 Beats 2012 E63 in 0-1000m
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The M5 engine can handle more pounds per square inch of pressure from it's turbocharger because of it's direct injection engine. It's more efficient in every way compared to older engines that are not direct injection. This is the route manufacturers are taking nowadays with forced induction engines to produce more power reliably. The new GT500 has a direct injection engine that produces 650hp stock.
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Have to say I think BMW's are better than Mercs as all rounders and definitively more sporty focused. The steering is sharper, ride more planted...
Go ahead bust my ba11s.
I dont get why whenever an M car hands a merc a beating we have to start looking for excuses...?
It won, get over it.
That said the M5 seems less modable its only got a 4.4 motor and pretty high in boost already. The E will take mods much better but it needs to get the power down... Both nice cars.
Same old story... I dont think I can take another M5 v Exx for the entirety of this model range lifespan.
Go ahead bust my ba11s.
I dont get why whenever an M car hands a merc a beating we have to start looking for excuses...?
It won, get over it.
That said the M5 seems less modable its only got a 4.4 motor and pretty high in boost already. The E will take mods much better but it needs to get the power down... Both nice cars.
Same old story... I dont think I can take another M5 v Exx for the entirety of this model range lifespan.
What Steve says
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The new M5 is a great looking car, but i feel sorry for the sucka who tries to roll on me in one. I got those long tubes hangin foe that ***. The G-power version looks a little short on the power compared with the previous G-Power M5. Sad to see BMW let go of the V10. That was one sweet engine.
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C5 LS6 and CLS55
come on guys, look at the specs. I love both cars, M5 is awesome but looks like humpback whale in my eyes. M5 has no other versions performance wise, engine output is the same no matter the options. The e63 in this video (only under assumption) doesn't have the AMG performance package.
On Paper:
M5:
560hp 500 ft tq @26 psi boost
E63:
518hp 516 ft tq @14 psi boost (that isn't ****)
E63 w/ AMG Perf Pack @18.8 psi boost
550hp 590 ft tq
The AMG would definitely win the race, it was only .3 tenths second from the M5 w/o the AMG Perf Pack. 590 tq is just nuts, and all us E55 owners know that. Torque wins as long as you can get it to the ground early and stick.
I will admit, I am a little bias, but I own both BMW and Mercs, I love them both. but if you do the math and weight of both cars 63 with Perf Pack, its no question. Or am I being a little bit too bias here? haha.
Can you imagine the 63 at 26psi? We all know the car can handle it with no problems.
On Paper:
M5:
560hp 500 ft tq @26 psi boost
E63:
518hp 516 ft tq @14 psi boost (that isn't ****)
E63 w/ AMG Perf Pack @18.8 psi boost
550hp 590 ft tq
The AMG would definitely win the race, it was only .3 tenths second from the M5 w/o the AMG Perf Pack. 590 tq is just nuts, and all us E55 owners know that. Torque wins as long as you can get it to the ground early and stick.
I will admit, I am a little bias, but I own both BMW and Mercs, I love them both. but if you do the math and weight of both cars 63 with Perf Pack, its no question. Or am I being a little bit too bias here? haha.
Can you imagine the 63 at 26psi? We all know the car can handle it with no problems.
The F10 M5s are having oil pump failures
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W212 E63 AMG S Model
That's one thing I dislike about Mercedes though... why have an E63 and then an E63 Performance Package? People who buy AMGs are obviously looking for performance so why build the crappier of the two and label it E63 AMG and then have the "real" performance car be the E63 AMG Performance Package. It's the same kind of thing that pisses me off about the C63 Black Series... the C63 itself should be the black series edition.
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CLS55 2006, CLS 63S 2015
That's one thing I dislike about Mercedes though... why have an E63 and then an E63 Performance Package? People who buy AMGs are obviously looking for performance so why build the crappier of the two and label it E63 AMG and then have the "real" performance car be the E63 AMG Performance Package. It's the same kind of thing that pisses me off about the C63 Black Series... the C63 itself should be the black series edition.
and to your comparison of a c63 to a c63 black lol
bottom line the new bi turbo has allot of room for more boost
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Originally Posted by emericr
CLS63PP versus F10M5
Please provide backup behind your claim???
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Originally Posted by Blown_V8s
F10 M5 > CLS63 PP & Non PP stock for stock
F10 M5 < CLS63 PP & Non PP tune for tune
HMMM AMG engine has more displacement and way lower PSI output in stock & PP format...
M has less room to up the boost, as it is already high, plus it can not add more displacement
tadaaa the secret to the universe is solved
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W212 E63 AMG S Model
Right, but why even make two grades of an AMG? Do you see an M5 and an M5 performance package? Do you see an IS-F and and IS-F Performance Package? The AMGs, M, F should be the top of the line... when they release these packages it makes it seem like our 'non-Performance Package' cars are not top of the line.
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CLS55 2006, CLS 63S 2015
Right, but why even make two grades of an AMG? Do you see an M5 and an M5 performance package? Do you see an IS-F and and IS-F Performance Package? The AMGs, M, F should be the top of the line... when they release these packages it makes it seem like our 'non-Performance Package' cars are not top of the line.
why do people mod their cars, why do people go with tuners?
simple they want more and for MB to start offering more options for real performance is what people have been asking for
as its stock and warrantied and if you are talking about sport upgrades M does it, but no power added so far
Porsche does power upgrades
Jaguar has variants as well
can go on
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http://www.autogespot.com/tuning-kel...the-bmw-m5-f10!
Haven't seen an F10 M5 yet post a 10sec timeslip!
Haven't seen an F10 M5 yet post a 10sec timeslip!
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Right, but why even make two grades of an AMG? Do you see an M5 and an M5 performance package? Do you see an IS-F and and IS-F Performance Package? The AMGs, M, F should be the top of the line... when they release these packages it makes it seem like our 'non-Performance Package' cars are not top of the line.
.. Needs to be my next AMG.. Watching that video just made me laugh and smile.. Can't wait for the price to come down in 2 yrs... AWSOME
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It's too early to say the new stock M5 is faster than the new stock CLS63 or E63. This debate will happen hundreds of times on this forum, m5 forum and many other boards in the future. They are both excellent machines and I wish I had the money for either one but I will reserve my judgement on which I prefer until I see more results in the future and I actually get to drive one(if I ever do).
