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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 10:30 AM
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I agree, but in order for an E55 to run 9.anything she would have to be on a strict diet...
Weight saving seems like the only way to accomplish sub ten times.

BTW: Mad props to the driver of that beast.

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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 10:51 AM
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No street driven e55 will ever run a 9.70...you would have to take at least 1000lbs out of it.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 11:13 AM
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Never say never guys. If you could get
one down to around 3600lbs it's possible. With the forged bottom ends coming out and possible whipple blower being built its coming.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 11:20 AM
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No street driven e55 will ever run a 9.70...you would have to take at least 1000lbs out of it.
you sir are closed minded, i hate when people come out and say things like this. Always doubting what can happen.

Let's look at lowprofile's car that ran 10.5@130mph. What do you think would happen if he put 100 shot on it? and cut the same 50' as the slr?
now do you see how possible it is, if you don't i do. Anything is possible as long as there is a will to make it happen.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Black_55AMG
you sir are closed minded, i hate when people come out and say things like this. Always doubting what can happen.

Let's look at lowprofile's car that ran 10.5@130mph. What do you think would happen if he put 100 shot on it? and cut the same 50' as the slr?
now do you see how possible it is, if you don't i do. Anything is possible as long as there is a will to make it happen.
I agree 100%. If there's a will to do something then it can be done. Look at dodgers C63. With the times he's running if he sprayed a 150 shot and the engine/trans could take it that car is a solid 9 second car. Same goes for lowprofiles car and blackbenz (Ahmad) I think would be knocking on the 9's already if he found axles that could take the abuse
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 11:54 AM
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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Not hating on the SLR at all and I think that the 9.765 @ 140.87mph time is very... very fast... but there is something less impressive about this run when you start to consider how light the SLR is with the extensive use of carbon fiber from the factory...and how much money the SLR cost to begin with. Call me crazy but I would be more impressed if an E55 runs 9.9s given the starting point of both cars...

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....the SLR is actually pretty heavy. That run is extremely impressive, it's faster than a Veyron for God's sake it's a blistering time
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 03:37 PM
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Is that the same slr at the sema show? Anyone know the full mod list?

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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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722 weighs 3800lb not as light as you might think.
Yes the SLR is way too heavy for a CF car, but the engins must be making 850 hp @ crank to run that time & trap.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 03:52 PM
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I can die a happy man now. After all these years to finally see 9's

Hats off to Renntech and SGC. MAN have they come a lonngggg way.
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 04:46 PM
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You know that it's rumored that there is already an E55 in the 9s. Full stage three with a 200 shot..
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by e500slr
....the SLR is actually pretty heavy. That run is extremely impressive, it's faster than a Veyron for God's sake it's a blistering time
Pretty heavy yes...but in comparison to other MB models?...not really... since most other MB/AMG models start above 4K+lbs and the SLR starts at 3,850lbs.

Yes it is a blistering time... I guess the problem for me stems from the fact that the SLR is such an anomaly of a MB product. Its MSRP was $455K and decent used one will still set you back $200+K. It really isn't representative of the MB line of products (except for the S/C V8). I would rather have seen a "regular" production model get to the 9's first. I actually think the SLR is a great car and prefer it to the SLS.

BTW SGC's piloting of the SLR is extremely impressive...that 1.42 60' time is epic!

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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 05:11 PM
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Awesome! First Benz in the 9s is an slr. Don't worry guys there will be at least a few more benzes in the 9s in 2012 that aren't supercars
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 07:59 PM
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Anyone know what mods the car had?
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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 10:26 PM
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Anyone know what mods the car had?
There will be a full article with details about the entire build, but for now here's a quick summary

- Modified supercharger
- Larger heat exchangers,
- More efficient intercooler pump
- Prototype race headers
- Limited slip differential and
- Modified five-speed transmission to handle the extra power.

This SLR used to be black (SLR 777) and held the previous SLR record of 10.29 ran earlier last year. Then it was converted to white and was used as a 2011 SEMA Show Car. The car was created by Platinum Motorsport, RENNtech, MACarbon, and Exotics Boutique. It also has a Mansory Renovatio bodykit and custom interior.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Black_55AMG
you sir are closed minded, i hate when people come out and say things like this. Always doubting what can happen.

Let's look at lowprofile's car that ran 10.5@130mph. What do you think would happen if he put 100 shot on it? and cut the same 50' as the slr?
now do you see how possible it is, if you don't i do. Anything is possible as long as there is a will to make it happen.

You sir have a poor grasp of reality..what would happen is smalle peices piston corsely mixed with oil. In addition, there is no way a 150 shot gets you into the 9's @ 140+. FWIW a CL65 with over 700whp and 1000wtq can't get there, an e55 sure as hell won't. a 9 second e55 run would take 800WHP and a 500lb weight reduction minimum...if someone can make that happen I would like to see it....I am not being a doubter, I am being pragmatic.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 01:57 AM
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by KLR CLS
You sir have a poor grasp of reality..what would happen is smalle peices piston corsely mixed with oil. In addition, there is no way a 150 shot gets you into the 9's @ 140+. FWIW a CL65 with over 700whp and 1000wtq can't get there, an e55 sure as hell won't. a 9 second e55 run would take 800WHP and a 500lb weight reduction minimum...if someone can make that happen I would like to see it....I am not being a doubter, I am being pragmatic.
A 150 shot would get lowprofiles car in the 9's without a doubt providing the motor stays together. The speed it runs it in means NOTHING in reality. You don't need a 140mph trap to run 9's and I'm sure this year when built bottom ends are available you will see a 4000lb E55 run a 9.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 02:41 AM
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You sir have a poor grasp of reality..what would happen is smalle peices piston corsely mixed with oil. In addition, there is no way a 150 shot gets you into the 9's @ 140+.

Is that right? I think tuning plays a big role when it comes to keep a motor together. IMO Nitrous can be very safe once its setup correctly.

FWIW a CL65 with over 700whp and 1000wtq can't get there, an e55 sure as hell won't.

Not because a car has the horsepower to run 9s it will. It has to be setup correctly to make a 9second pass!

a 9 second e55 run would take 800WHP and a 500lb weight reduction minimum...if someone can make that happen I would like to see it....I am not being a doubter, I am being pragmatic.

Ok, lets look at the math. Like i said Lowprofile's car is capable of running 9s with a 100 shot. Judging from his 10.5 ET and ~3900lb he should be at 570whp. If he sprays it with 100 shot that would equal 670whp..which is very close to 800hp @ the crank, using 18% drivetrain loss of course. And oh I'm not being optimistic just logical at the moment...

Nice handy little calculator
http://www.eldemoniorojo.com/calculator.htm
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 02:47 AM
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JESUS CHRIST! Why do you want a 9 sec E55 that is full weight, why are you so against weight reduction. Let me make it very clear: WEIGHT REDUCTION IS INVALUABLE. Yes, an E55 can get into the 9s and with full interior and it would be awesome to see however anyone who wants this has to accept that money has to be spent on weight savings. The CL65 is a heavier than a 747, even a tank is lighter, the V12 alone without the car weighs 8 tons, it's definitely not the platform to get in the 9s with only 700whp.

If you want 9s in an E55 you need coilovers, lighter brakes, dry carbon body parts, carbon fiber driveshaft, extremely light wheels, no tools or spare, status cf seats(d+p), light weight battery, exhaust weight reduction, very little fuel in the tank, lightweight driver, bolts were ever possible replaced with Ti ones....

There's other areas but you can drop 500 pounds and still keep full interior except the stock seats. Make no mistake 500 pounds will get the 1/4 mile times down. Nobody BS about how weight "adds traction over the rear wheels".....ummmm NO!! I've seen dragsters with virtually NO weight at the back over the rear wheels and still run incredible times. You need very sticky radials and a nicely prepped track on a cold day/night. That SLR is also making extreme amounts of power so they have to find a way for the E55 to get a crazy amount of power. I don't think JRCart spent all that money on light weight wheels and what not for nothing, his CLKBS is a ROCKET but hey do you whatever you want, go add some lead over the rear wheels to help "traction"
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:37 AM
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SLR in the 9's? Ehh.

Check this M-B delivery van doing a 9.72 at 154 MPH!

http://jalopnik.com/5872258/watch-a-...second-14-mile

(Yeah, its a BBC, but still awesome).
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:39 AM
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Can we just be excited that MBs are in the 9s?!
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The car in my avatar is living proof you don't need crazy power to run 9's. All my motor is is the first ever LS1 head casting (by far worst casting made in terms of power potential) ported with a cam and forged rotating assembly keeping the same displacement with some nitrous. What makes it fast is the efficient TH350, efficient 12 bolt rear axle, a TON of weight reduction (still has a full dash and stock front seats, door skins, headliner etc so it doesn't look like a gutted tin can) even though its sub 3000 lbs, and a very good suspension under it. Most people might guess my car runs low 11's maybe high 10's on a good day hearing what's done to the motor. It's well into the 9's though and it's all in the suspension, weight reduction, and efficiency of the setup.

If your willing to give up some creature comforts and noise reducing insulation you could lose a TON of weight in this car and get into the 9's without too much trouble. Problem is most people don't want to do this to a benz so they keep adding more power trying to go faster. Reality is if you can't cut a good 60 foot time your gonna need wheelbarrows of cash to get into the 9's at this weight with the crappy 60 foots these cars can do.

Someone should come out with some sort of suspension to help these things hook up better. Coilovers? Possibly some sort of torque arm suspension setup? Are there control arms flexing under there when your launching on a sticky tire on the track? Anyone talk to "the driveshaft shop" for beefy axles? Gotta be something that can be done under there. These things have never been corner carvers so it's not like your gonna have to give up a ton there.

With prices dropping on these and more gearheads with different attitudes move into these cars someones bound to get silly with one eventually and it will go into the 9's without too much work.

How heavy are these hoods? They're HUGE. A fiberglass hood would get a lot of much needed weight off the front end easily. Lots of tricks left in the bag to go 9's on the cheap. All about what your willing to do and live with.

Bolded the hood part as this should probably cost 5-800 to make and would get a TON off weight off the car and it could look stock. Anyone explore this option? I may have one of the local fiberglass hood shops near chicago look at the potential for this for me this spring when I pull my car out of mothballs. Seems like it should be one of the first mods if you want to go fast and not spend truckloads of cash.

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Originally Posted by Black_55AMG
you sir are closed minded, i hate when people come out and say things like this. Always doubting what can happen.

Let's look at lowprofile's car that ran 10.5@130mph. What do you think would happen if he put 100 shot on it? and cut the same 50' as the slr?
now do you see how possible it is, if you don't i do. Anything is possible as long as there is a will to make it happen.
According to this article lowprofile's car was on a diet when the 10.59 time was run: http://www.***********.com/content.p...5-130#comments
All I'm saying is that you need a lot of power and weight savings to accomplish these times or better. I also agree a great tune and pilot is a necessity.

Lets all agree and give props where it deserves.

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