Pano roof rattles/creeks
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I dont care how much you lube, tighten, grease whatever, panos will always make a ton of noise once they get old just like an old ragged out convert. Just the nature of having a huge hole in one of the structure points of a vehicle. Again, that is why I avoid it. Cant stand driving a MB that sounds like a old Chevy inside.
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Anyone here from from Mercedes Benz?
I am still struggling to get to the point of acceptance. IMO, MB should not have offered pano as an option if their engineers knew from the onset that it would have these types of noise issues. Perhaps full disclosure to buyers stating something along the lines of: You are buying an expensive car with a glass roof that will soon take you back in time and make your car sound like a 1930's chariot. You are making a choice to either live with it or be prepared for expensive repairs that are not guaranteed to make the cabin of your car quiet. You select this option at your own risk. Now, this would have been helpful.
A number of these cars here are not what I consider old and these pano noises for some started within the first year or two of ownership. I have a car that has been mechanically sound yet all other visits to the dealership when it was under warranty, and outside of scheduled service, had to do with creaks and pops coming from the pano roof. This is a MB product, in case anyone is wondering.
It has reached the point where many of us are trying everything possible to have some peace and quiet in the car if we do not want the radio on or the roof open as a work around. I realize the level of severity differs for all and we have a myriad of choices. It still does not make MB's approach and handling of these issues acceptable. As some of you many know, dealerships are not shy to quote repair costs in excess of $5k to replace railings and other components of the roof.
Life goes on and it will be another day listening to creaks and pops coming from MB's roof. I am sure there will come a time when it will all be music to my ears and I will just tap along.
I am still struggling to get to the point of acceptance. IMO, MB should not have offered pano as an option if their engineers knew from the onset that it would have these types of noise issues. Perhaps full disclosure to buyers stating something along the lines of: You are buying an expensive car with a glass roof that will soon take you back in time and make your car sound like a 1930's chariot. You are making a choice to either live with it or be prepared for expensive repairs that are not guaranteed to make the cabin of your car quiet. You select this option at your own risk. Now, this would have been helpful.
A number of these cars here are not what I consider old and these pano noises for some started within the first year or two of ownership. I have a car that has been mechanically sound yet all other visits to the dealership when it was under warranty, and outside of scheduled service, had to do with creaks and pops coming from the pano roof. This is a MB product, in case anyone is wondering.
It has reached the point where many of us are trying everything possible to have some peace and quiet in the car if we do not want the radio on or the roof open as a work around. I realize the level of severity differs for all and we have a myriad of choices. It still does not make MB's approach and handling of these issues acceptable. As some of you many know, dealerships are not shy to quote repair costs in excess of $5k to replace railings and other components of the roof.
Life goes on and it will be another day listening to creaks and pops coming from MB's roof. I am sure there will come a time when it will all be music to my ears and I will just tap along.
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Here's the link to DL the file. Looks like lots of great info.
My 03 with 50K miles is quiet from the pano roof so far, but I'm sure sooner or later I will hit a bump and go WTF? I only have a funny noise from the trans tunnel (something bumping around down there over bumps in the road and sometimes seemingly randomly) that I'm hoping will only be a trans mount or maybe motor mounts and the trans mount.
http://www.mediafire.com/?z6fwhlbywh9hm8d
My 03 with 50K miles is quiet from the pano roof so far, but I'm sure sooner or later I will hit a bump and go WTF? I only have a funny noise from the trans tunnel (something bumping around down there over bumps in the road and sometimes seemingly randomly) that I'm hoping will only be a trans mount or maybe motor mounts and the trans mount.
http://www.mediafire.com/?z6fwhlbywh9hm8d
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Hey everyone - I'm suffering from the exact same creaking pano roof problem with my 04 e55. I'm debating taking it to the dealer, but I'd love to take a look at the document mentioned in this thread. It looks like the link to it is no longer active. If anyone has the roof rattle fix document, please post again or PM me. Or even better, if anyone has solved this issue, whether DIY or at the dealer, please post any information! Thanks for your help.
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^i got the instructions your looking for. PM me you email. I fixed my roof rattle or atleast eliminated some options. As much as everyone points to the pano mine is silent except now the control "pod" in between the panels is rattling. I took it apart and put it back together and it fixed it for a week, gonna throw in some cloth tape this time.
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^i got the instructions your looking for. PM me you email. I fixed my roof rattle or atleast eliminated some options. As much as everyone points to the pano mine is silent except now the control "pod" in between the panels is rattling. I took it apart and put it back together and it fixed it for a week, gonna throw in some cloth tape this time.
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same here
My 04 E55 Pano makes clunks and cracks from the headliner grab handle area.
seems like loose bolts hold it all together. I have tried twice to have fletcher jones diagnose it but they want$1000 to just take down the headliner? Weak!
I love my Pan roof but he clunking is not good and seems to be a common problem. Lets go MBUSA! make our cabins quite and proper for a $95,000 dollar car.
seems like loose bolts hold it all together. I have tried twice to have fletcher jones diagnose it but they want$1000 to just take down the headliner? Weak!
I love my Pan roof but he clunking is not good and seems to be a common problem. Lets go MBUSA! make our cabins quite and proper for a $95,000 dollar car.
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I have the same issue with Pano creaks and rattles but MB will not step up, they have not been accountable on the fuel sending unit and gas tank leak so they will leave us high and dry on this one as well.
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Reading this thread has made me paranoid about my '08 E63 with Pano...
Thankfully no noises yet, but it seems like the best preventative is to keep it lubed up, and cycle it every couple of weeks regardless of what time of year it is...
Thanks for posting the lubrication diagram, I will be sure to use it as I doubt the dealer ever messed with it much.
Thankfully no noises yet, but it seems like the best preventative is to keep it lubed up, and cycle it every couple of weeks regardless of what time of year it is...
Thanks for posting the lubrication diagram, I will be sure to use it as I doubt the dealer ever messed with it much.
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I fixed these obnoxious pano roof creaking noises that were making me not want to drive my car. I reviewed the lubrication instructions provided in this thread and then went over the entire pano roof with quick-dry, no mess silicon spray. I sprayed it directly along ALL seams on the roof and all along where the glass meets the composite frame it sits in. I also went over all rubber seals with silicon spray and with a microfiber cloth behind, sprayed silicon spray on the plastic gears and bits just under the rear inside edge of the sunroof on both sides.
My creaking was coming from the right rear edge of the sunroof and I could reproduce it by lightly pushing up and down on the RR part of the glass from inside the cabin. After trying to lubricate the hidden area in the corner with a credit card and paper towel soaked in spray without success, I just held a towel under the can and quickly sprayed along the side and rear corner of the glass on both sides to lubricate the hidden areas.
Drove the car for several hours last night on our broken CA highways and the pano roof is now completely silent. I'm sooooooooooooo glad to have this resolved, I love driving my car again :-)
Note: The silicon spray I used is 3-In-One Professional silicon spray lubricant: http://www.3inone.com/professional/. The overspray wipes right off and leaves no residue, but I went over the pano roof with quick detailer afterward for good measure.
My creaking was coming from the right rear edge of the sunroof and I could reproduce it by lightly pushing up and down on the RR part of the glass from inside the cabin. After trying to lubricate the hidden area in the corner with a credit card and paper towel soaked in spray without success, I just held a towel under the can and quickly sprayed along the side and rear corner of the glass on both sides to lubricate the hidden areas.
Drove the car for several hours last night on our broken CA highways and the pano roof is now completely silent. I'm sooooooooooooo glad to have this resolved, I love driving my car again :-)
Note: The silicon spray I used is 3-In-One Professional silicon spray lubricant: http://www.3inone.com/professional/. The overspray wipes right off and leaves no residue, but I went over the pano roof with quick detailer afterward for good measure.
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Wow...I guess I'm lucky. Not even a sound from my Pano (knock on wood), and I have the hearing of a bat when it comes to squeaks and rattles. I open/close my shade practically everyday also.
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Pano squeaks IMHO are the result of two factors: improper / ignored maintenance and super-slammed cars running in Sport2 mode.
The first one is obvious. I believe a lot of the high mileage cars here don't get the maintenance they deserve..... Oil changes maybe, but many of the other items that are called out (pano lubrication, fuel sender replacements) are ignored.
Secondly, I know a lot of guys here like to run their cars slammed and with the stiffest AirMatic settings (Sport2).... That lack of suspension compliance puts a lot more torsion into the chassis and is bound to increase the creaking of the pano roof. I never heard a peep out of my pano roof until I lowered my car.... Once I did, I started to hear the strain of climbing steep driveways or riding on rough roads.... If the suspension doesn't have enough travel, the body is going to twist....those forces have to go somewhere.
Since putting my car back to stock ride height, I am back to a peaceful, quiet pano roof.
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On this thread check out post number 21 and if that doesn't interest you check out this linkhttps://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...rocharged.html
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On this thread check out post number 21 and if that doesn't interest you check out this linkhttps://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...rocharged.html
