BMW will never use turbo's in their M cars?
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BMW will never use turbo's in their M cars?
Last edited by Ted Baldwin; Jan 27, 2012 at 06:59 AM.
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.......and how bout the AMG chief declaring the HP wars are over years ago.
Simple tune putting these new TT cars close to 700hp. You ole lyin dogs in Germany. We love ya!
Simple tune putting these new TT cars close to 700hp. You ole lyin dogs in Germany. We love ya!
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......you are quite right. The HP wars are far from over, with almost everyone now embracing forced induction, there is no telling how far this will go. Are we going to see 1000HP cars coming from factory? The new Aventator is 700HP stock. Will car makes like Lamborghini and Ferrari catch the forced induction bug? What if the the Aventador becomes TT? Don't say never. We already have the Veyron with 4 turbos. And as you can see, just a few years ago some members of this forum thought that BMW will never use for forced induction in their M cars
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The turbo engines do go against the M division's original philosophy of building high rev'ing N/A engines. It just got too difficult to compete with the other high performance cars in the market place while also meeting the emissions and fuel economy mandates of the EU and US. An F10 M5 competes against the likes of Panamera Turbo, CLS63, E63, CTS-V, XFR, and RS6...all using forced induction to produce 500+hp and move 4,100-4,400 lbs of curb weight. Safety and luxury features have caused the proliferation of these bloated curb weights. I guess the M division could have matched the power-to-weight ratio of those competitors with a reduction in curb weight and using direct injection in the N/A V10... but that would likely have called for more extensive use of carbon fiber or aluminum which would have driven the price of production through the roof. I have a feeling the bean counters at BMW are the ones who changed the philosophy rather than the engineers....
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The turbo engines do go against the M division's original philosophy of building high rev'ing N/A engines. It just got too difficult to compete with the other high performance cars in the market place while also meeting the emissions and fuel economy mandates of the EU and US. An F10 M5 competes against the likes of Panamera Turbo, CLS63, E63, CTS-V, XFR, and RS6...all using forced induction to produce 500+hp and move 4,100-4,400 lbs of curb weight. Safety and luxury features have caused the proliferation of these bloated curb weights. I guess the M division could have matched the power-to-weight ratio of those competitors with a reduction in curb weight and using direct injection in the N/A V10... but that would likely have called for more extensive use of carbon fiber or aluminum which would have driven the price of production through the roof. I have a feeling the bean counters at BMW are the ones who changed the philosophy rather than the engineers....
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