Ted Baldwin

........where they are now? Go to page 2

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...n-5-4-a-2.html

6spdcoupe

Ouch. Worth the wait ? lol

Jakpro1

.......and how bout the AMG chief declaring the HP wars are over years ago.

Simple tune putting these new TT cars close to 700hp. You ole lyin dogs in Germany. We love ya!

Ted Baldwin

......you are quite right. The HP wars are far from over, with almost everyone now embracing forced induction, there is no telling how far this will go. Are we going to see 1000HP cars coming from factory? The new Aventator is 700HP stock. Will car makes like Lamborghini and Ferrari catch the forced induction bug? What if the the Aventador becomes TT? Don't say never. We already have the Veyron with 4 turbos. And as you can see, just a few years ago some members of this forum thought that BMW will never use for forced induction in their M cars

Ted

TMC M5

The turbo engines do go against the M division's original philosophy of building high rev'ing N/A engines. It just got too difficult to compete with the other high performance cars in the market place while also meeting the emissions and fuel economy mandates of the EU and US. An F10 M5 competes against the likes of Panamera Turbo, CLS63, E63, CTS-V, XFR, and RS6...all using forced induction to produce 500+hp and move 4,100-4,400 lbs of curb weight. Safety and luxury features have caused the proliferation of these bloated curb weights. I guess the M division could have matched the power-to-weight ratio of those competitors with a reduction in curb weight and using direct injection in the N/A V10... but that would likely have called for more extensive use of carbon fiber or aluminum which would have driven the price of production through the roof. I have a feeling the bean counters at BMW are the ones who changed the philosophy rather than the engineers....

Tom

Ted Baldwin

......we can speculate about what caused BMW to change course. We shouldn't view these companies like they were the holy bible. They make products for consumers to buy and they will do whatever they need to do to stay competitive and sell products. That's the bottom line and that's okay

Ted

gaspam

bringing up a 6 yr old thread argument to prove someone wrong = boring weekend ?

Ted Baldwin

.....understood. This is actually not a 6 year old argument. Going to TT my gallardo. This led to a conversation this week about whether Lamborgini will ever come TT from factory. That reminded me a out this thread. Surprised I found it. It's all in fun.

Ted

gaspam

TT gallardo is my dream car! i cant think of anything better than that

unagi1

BMW finally got the memo! Then they couldn't mate a suitable fuel pump to the first batch of TT engines...

Shifter

Have they had high fuel pump failures in the F10 M5?

unagi1

No uproar yet, but it did take a few years for the 07-08MY errors to really surface...my HPFP didn't fail until I had over 30k on the car.