Das Geld 2

WTF does that mean?

I should punch you in the face.

Go do your research dozens of M3 guys switched to the C63 and don't look back. I haven't seen it the other way around.

Firechaser

Im enjoying it, jumps into boost a good bit faster now.

gazosnic

The m3 is more engaging sports car to drive if you get a 6sp. Also I believe it actually faster around a track.

I have both a 6sp m3 as well as the e55. Two totally different cars.

E55Jess

gazosnic can you compare the 2 car i your opinion the difference?

gazosnic

e55:

Pros:
- Lots of stright line power
- Luxury ride / feel
- Highway monster
- Easy ability to mod for more power

Cons:
- Feels VERY heavy
- I dont feel confident taking sharp corners
- I dont feel overly confident in last min braking as the car is very heavy
- Not as agile
- Steering feel is not very sharp
- Shifting is slow

M3

Pros:
- Much better handling
- Much better steering feel
- Much better braking feel
- High rev engine 8k RPM
- great track car / fun car
- very well balanced
- Ability to have manual transmission for fun / reliability
- DCT (on e9x) is a great transmission as well... lightning fast
- great suspension - feels planted - can take on twisties with the best of them

Cons:
- Not as much straight line power (min low end torque)
- harsher ride (this may also be a pro depending on use)

Overall:
M3 is intended to be a track / sports car whereas the e55 is intended to be a luxury cruiser.

M3 is more comparable to a porsche 911

c63 is a great car also... but isn't as engaging or raw as the m3 from a sports car perspective in my opinion. I have spent a good amount of time with a c63 on the track as well so I think i can make an honest comparison.

The c63 just feels more automatic for me. Not as much feedback.

Hope that provides a bit more of a perspective.

CharlyE500

Have you dyno the gain and how many miles you have put so far ?

Firechaser

Butt Dyno only, maybe 100 miles. IMO it's easily worth the $625, not hard to install especially if you pop the motor mount bolts out from the bottom & jack the engine up some...piece of cake!

I'm not worried about true HP gain honestly, I am just pleased it helps out like it does on the bottom-end with spooling the supercharger quicker...Im not a highway top-speeder, more like a quick sprinter

93RX7LSX

A C63 really? That's a heavy excuse for a benz again. It's auto, it comes with a weak rear tire that doesn't even support 300hp. The E55 and M3 are in two different classes. Compare an E55 vs a M5 6spd and the M5 walks it out of the park. M3's are balanced & have won every magazine article when compared to the C63!

It's about preference I guess. Some just have biased views which cannot be changed.

Firechaser

it's funny but everyone's opinions are correct...they are just very different cars, Gazsonic gave a very accurate description too. I test drove a 07' M5 before the E55, it was amazing. What shied me away was the VANOS issues it can develop, after owning the M3, I vowed not to have that worry in my life any longer. i admit, their are times I miss the M3...it was like a toy for adults Drive both...see what your personal taste calls for.

cward2

I put 100k on a 2003 E55 and then 75k on a 2006 E55. Getting rid of that last one knowing they "don't make them like that anymore" was hard. But I did. It was nearing the end of warranty and I had an old friend who had coveted that car from day one.

I have a slew of friends with C63s and M3's. They all argue which is best, but I note that they each have selected what is best for them. They all pushed and pulled on me when I sold my car.

So I bought a BMW 1M Coupe. It has the umpf of the e55. It has the "oh crap I'm going too fast" of the E55. It has the wave factor of the e55 (car guys know its something special). It has the reasonable mod pricing of the e55. It has a clutch which I don't mind. It does really remind me of the thrill of my first drive in a 911sc. Short wheelbase, nimble, certainly quick enough and able to go much quicker if need be.

Now if I can get a black series C63 coupe....

Das Geld 2

LOL @ the guy who compared the M3 to a 911, not even close. It's like 30 seconds behind...on the Nurburgring.

A.)ROFL did you read that on M3Post.

B.) It well documented the 2003 E55 has been destroying the M5 till 2011.

C.)No it hasn't. Balanced as in what? It drives like **** all the time and only moves once the accelerator is past 3/4? Compared to the C63 always being on. Anyway that whole BMW community is screwed up, the 335 guys are faster.

gazosnic

- My M3 mention to 911 was in terms of overall feel and connection feeling to the car. Best comparison I can make. Compare it to a caymen s if it makes you feel better.

- '03 e55 does not destroy an e60 m5 (both in stock form). Not sure what you define as destroy.

- Have you driven an m car extensively? For a sports car Id have to argue they are better overall for balanced performance. AMG makes a better luxury car that happens to go really fast IMO.

Again my opinion - take it as you wish. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

crhait

Keep the E and buy an M

cahiil55k

You've got to be kidding. Comparing a low-13s 1/4 mile 1M to a low-12s E55 (stock)?

93RX7LSX

Let me know how your intercooler pump does after racing a stock M5 6spd . The E55 will not destroy the M5, not one bit. The M5 is built with real motorsports in mind, maybe not ONLY straight line. It can actually take turns.

E63 8:10 at the ring
E60 M5 7:52 at the ring


The C63 always being on? The 63 series engine has valvetrain issues up the wazoo, unlike the S65 V8 in the BMW.

CharlyE500

I am not sure how you going to make friends or support in this forum but Good luck with your attitude. I have walked 2 time M6 up to 100 MPH so i am not sure what you mean. Oh, don't give me the crap about the gearing that after 120mph M will walk 55, not a chance.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

It's true, sorry to burst your bubble. My M5 pulled like a train past 80. And nothing with a W211 chassis has the same steering feel and handling as an ///M. I've owned both.

CharlyE500

We all know M handle better but when you do 1/4 mile not so sure. I don't own E63 but my E55 pull like a jet.

CharlyE500

If M3 or M5 so good why people still buying stupid slow AMG
People who buying M or AMG are for performance so take aside the luxury. So why people are still buying AMG since M perform better and cheaper than AMG ?

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Your car is modded.

You need to turn this into English so people can respond intelligently.

CharlyE500

Which part of my English you don't understand ?

tbal

Just drove the M3 yesterday... trying to find replacement for wifes 335... and MAN its a sweet car... drives like a dream... tranny... a beauty, power is decent.

C63 is brute power, does not feel as refined on the road as the M3 did... M3 is definitely the "drivers" car... If you want brute power, definitely the c63. If I personally had a choice, I would say C63, AMG 4 LIFE lol

Its almost the same debate as E55/E63 vs M5... Drive BOTH, than make your decision. Everyone has a different "feel" they want in a car.

tbal

This is true. E55 is a slush bucket. E63 does handle better. But the power of the E55, and mods available... 55k is

Had an M6 before the E55... M5 I would imagine would handle very similar, and you cannot compare the handling. That being said your not going to be driving slalom courses, and 8s everyday lol 90% straight roads.

93RX7LSX

My point was not to start an argument. I merely gave my opinion. Facts are facts yes. The benzes are faster in a straight line but M's are faster around corners and more geared towards motorsports. With only automatic transmissions, MB is looking too boring in a lot of comparisons aside from the power. I understand, power and cornering isn't everything but these are 400+hp automobiles we are comparing here.

The power that the C63 has, you would assume it would be significantly lower in weight but it weighs as much as a humpback whale .

RedBullJnky

It will never, ever walk mine!
My IC will be fine! And I am fully aware of what a fully modded M5 can do,BUT it still won't beat me!
LOL, you need to come down my way. There isn't an M5 around that can fu*k with the E55s around here. Or any 55 for that matter.