How do you come to that conclusion? It is claimed that 91 octane is like **** water and every tuner that I have ever come across expresses how much better 93 is to tune with and make power. Another .5 to 1 degree of timing could make 10whp easily must less 10 crank hp. With some adjustments of timing with increase up 1.5 degrees in some areas I gained around 25whp in my E55. So having said this I don't see why 15whp couldn't happen from adding the additional .5 to 1*.

 

With heads,cams,race gas 700+ would be easy on the boost they ran it at. 25psi on a built motor and 1000hp isn't out of the question. I made 619 on a dyno jet with the stock blower so I have no doubt just a blower swap would of put me well over 700rwhp.

 

Didn't see it on the website but what boost were they running.

 

I'd like to see boost, IAT's, and timing just to see what was changed.

 

Exactly. Little weird to me that the stock and whipple curves look so similar. I would have thought that the whipple would shine more up top. Clearly it's making new found power.

 

Damn, I cant imagine this monster on E85/meth

 

My car has 4-5 deg. of timing retard on 91 and 0* on 93 and you can FEEL the difference. 4-5* of additional timing has got to be at least 20whp.

 

i think he's probably just extrapolating an octane curve to come to that 10hp number.

as you said, it depends on how much timing going up 2 oct points is worth.

for me on an older audi i had that was stage 2 it had switchable files and going from 93 to 100 oct file added about 30whp so basically about 4 hp per 1 octane increase.

got similar results on the yellow audi when added meth...added about 40 hp and that was adding 7-8 degrees of timing (basically as if i running about 100 oct rating)

so i would think going from 91 to 93 would give between 10-20 hp depending on how aggressive the tuner got on timing...

i am interesting in seeing the iat's on the new blowers and the recovery time as to me, that is the biggest alure... keeping the same power all day long

 

Very important questions that haven't been answered. Would love to know the boost. It will be interesting to see if the floating I/C reduces IATs and by how much.

 

Awesome idea but I'm not sure if an extra 100 whp is worth $9000+ dollars. Probably well over $10k after install and tuning. But to each his own i guess

 

It's not the extra 100 hp that makes it worth it it's the 300 hp that it'll be cable of adding that makes it worth it.

 

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well IF they can get it to add 300 WHP+, THEN that will be closer to what you should be getting for $10,000.00+

 

I'm sure they could get 800hp out of it? I'd hope.. And $10,000 doesn't sound bad for that. Although that $10,000 will turn into $20,000+ very quickly lol.

 

Come on man, even with the mighty GT-R you have to spend $50K to get 800whp out of it. You can't expect for an additional 100-300whp to be cheap when you already have 400-500whp to begin with, it's not realistic. Especially since you have to swap out the power adder. If to get to 700whp I have to spend a TOTAL of $25K ( no labor included since I'd do it myself )...I think that's really cheap.

 

Comparing a GT-R to a W211 E55 is like comparing apples to oranges. I understand where you are coming from and your point is noted, BUT, Dude i could buy a complete, fully built, 800 HP race motor for 10k or less. And no not a MB race motor but since we are comparing apple to oranges...... Just sayin.

However, with that said, I know we are dealing with MB here and nothing for a MB is cheap. I'm just sayin $10K for 100 hp over stock for these cars is not worth it. Now for 200 - 300 HP over stock.... Still spendy but I get it and I think that is more worth it.

 

Not likely..... I don't think FTP is returning phone calls or PMs.





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They are high end street cars just like our E55's ( it just so happens that E55's have 4 doors instead of two and the drivetrain doesn't come into this conversation ), a big block race engine that can barely idle does not fit into this conversation....and even then I don't know where you can get a fully built 800whp engine for $10K or less. I see a lot of these modern crate engine at summit costing over $25K and they still don't touch 800whp, the HUGE 8.0L+ carbureted engines should not even be mentioned in this topic and still cost over $10K and they still need an aditional $5K easy to fit them into the car.

 

I like you man and I am not trying to get after you at all. However, the are FAR more differences from a GT-R to an E55 besides the extra 2 doors. Yaw control & AWD just to be quick and name a couple. And I said race motor + posted a link for you. Plus the E55 is worth 25K VS GT-R = 80K. I am not knocking ANYTHING here. I have an E55 for crying out loud .

All I was saying is 10K was too much for 100 HP over STOCK on OUR cars.

 

Trust me, I'm not taking any of this personally or anything. I love to argue these things...lol.

I just think you aren't seeing the big picture. Whom even buys the supercharger doesn't buy it to make 560whp...they buy it to eventually get 800whp. THAT is what you pay for.

 

I do get it. Hence in my last few posts I specifically stated not worth it for 100 over stock but 200 - 300 over stock makes more sense..... I GET IT

 

I think the point here is the guys buying this S/C are not guys with a stock car but guys who have gone down the whole modding road and have reached the end of it. So I see what they are offering as starting point for heavily modded cars and we need to explore how this unit operates in a stage 3 car (what ever that really is).

For example my car is pretty much maxed out, "only" things left to do is gasflow the heads and go forged on the pistons. This unit takes care of fuel delivery and injectors as well?

So I am interested in where this takes my car from here. At mom I have 630hp crank (Kleemann dyno do crank translation) so that's in the 530whp ballpark.

Swap out I should have closer to 600whp is my guess. And lets not get carried away about upping pulley sizes etc just yet - this may well be possible
- but we need to see IAT's and boost to really see where we are at here on this unit. If we are maxing out on IAT's on this setup already or boost is high already the upside will be limited. On the other hand.....

 

You realize it costs over $7k to get a 500+whp E55 going down the bolt on path right? And that is if you bought a stage 3 package from Eurocharged which is cheaper than other routes piecing different other manufactures products together. And then you actually have a car that makes that power for one pull and then loses some power or only makes that power in cool/cold weather.

So the supercharger being roughly $1500 more is not that dramatic, but you in turn get a more efficient setup which also has a much higher possibility of big power. I really don't see where there is any arguement from someone with a stock car getting ready to go all out modding or someone with a fully modded car ready to take it to the next level. In either situation the upgrade is a big deal, but I would say it is a far better deal for a stock guy ready to make his car scream and have little bolt on options to keep increasing with down the road.

 

I get it!! Is anybody reading everything I say or is everyone stuck on the simple fact that I said 10k is too much?

i understand this SC has the potential to add more than 100 HP.... I get it.

My point was $10k was too much for 100 hp over stock!!
Now 100 hp over a fully bolted and tuned car is a different story. So is 200 - 300 hp over stock.

Here just so we can stop the dead horse beating:
The E55 is the best car man has ever made. $10k, $20k, hell $100k is nothing when you're talking about spending it on such a high quality, lightening fast, sexy, reliable, beast of vehicle.

Damn can we leave it alone now?