Trouble With Emmissions in AZ - Calling All Those That Have Floorfabbed LTH
11-02-2012, 01:28 PM
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11-05-2012, 04:45 PM
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Peeps,
Just an update, ordered the O2 sensors through Dyno Comp in Scottsdale and they'll replace my front ones and hopefully this will fix the issue. I'll know by tomorrow at Noon if that's the case and post it there so you're all aware of the solution. I will also make sure they're not wired backwards.
If that still doesn't fix it, I'm driving up to Kleeman next week and have them take care of it for me because I'm basically out of ideas. Hoping I don't have to do the 13 hour (1 way drive from Phoenix AZ to Colorado Springs), but it's the price you sometimes have to pay if you mod your car.
Thank you all again for your help here. I've printed out this thread and high-lighted the key parts so I can share your recommendations with Rich & Ron tomorrow at DynoComp.
Alex
Just an update, ordered the O2 sensors through Dyno Comp in Scottsdale and they'll replace my front ones and hopefully this will fix the issue. I'll know by tomorrow at Noon if that's the case and post it there so you're all aware of the solution. I will also make sure they're not wired backwards.
If that still doesn't fix it, I'm driving up to Kleeman next week and have them take care of it for me because I'm basically out of ideas. Hoping I don't have to do the 13 hour (1 way drive from Phoenix AZ to Colorado Springs), but it's the price you sometimes have to pay if you mod your car.
Thank you all again for your help here. I've printed out this thread and high-lighted the key parts so I can share your recommendations with Rich & Ron tomorrow at DynoComp.
Alex
11-06-2012, 12:49 PM
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New front O2 sensors are in, codes are clear now I just have to drive it through 5 or so duty cycles. Looking at the old O2 sensors (they are the originals and my car now as 82K miles on it) they're pretty burnt/coroded so I'm hoping this does the trick!
Fingers crossed!
If this works, I'd recommend all of you with FF LTH replace your front O2 sensors so you can pass emissions. I'll know by days' end as my CEL has turned on very soon afterwards if this doesn't work.
Alex
Fingers crossed!
If this works, I'd recommend all of you with FF LTH replace your front O2 sensors so you can pass emissions. I'll know by days' end as my CEL has turned on very soon afterwards if this doesn't work.
Alex
11-06-2012, 01:06 PM
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Peeps,
Really need your help here as I've been working on this for about 3 weeks now but still can't get it resolved and my tags/smog is due 11/15. I'd love to hear from you that have Floor Fabb'ed Long Tube Headers from the group by about 2 years ago.
Here's the key issue:
I continue to throw two ECU codes below which trigger the CEL. The CEL and the codes will of course prevent me from passing emissions.
Honestly guys I'm totally out of ideas and would love to hear from those of you that have the FF LTH. I have 15 days to get this fixed but would hate to have to put it back to stock (I didn't save the stock components stupidly) or spend $2,500 on new set of headers that don't have a design flaw.
If any of you are local in AZ and help me pass smog I will buy you more beers than you can handle!
Thanks you VERY much in advance!
Alex
Really need your help here as I've been working on this for about 3 weeks now but still can't get it resolved and my tags/smog is due 11/15. I'd love to hear from you that have Floor Fabb'ed Long Tube Headers from the group by about 2 years ago.
Here's the key issue:
I continue to throw two ECU codes below which trigger the CEL. The CEL and the codes will of course prevent me from passing emissions.
- P0135 is: O2 sensor heater circuit malfunction Bank 1, sensor 1
- P0155 is: O2 sensor heater circuit malfunction Bank 2, sensor 1
- Sent ECU to Cory at Kleemann who did a full ECU tune/reflash as well as modified the chip that deals with emissions. Even after this both codes and CEL resurfaced. Cory is a complete rockstar by the way.
- Went to Vivid Racing in Gilbert AZ last week who looked at all the wiring, headers and eveything looked good from a visual standpoint. (So no wires were broken, split, frayed, put in incorrectly) and they couldn't tell what the issue was.
- Yesterday I went to DynoComp in Scottsdale who know E55's quite well and had them completley re-do the entire wiring harness, resoldering, reinstulating and checking all wiring. They cleared the codes and CEL, but within an hour of driving home, both resurfaced. (Codes & CEL)
Honestly guys I'm totally out of ideas and would love to hear from those of you that have the FF LTH. I have 15 days to get this fixed but would hate to have to put it back to stock (I didn't save the stock components stupidly) or spend $2,500 on new set of headers that don't have a design flaw.
If any of you are local in AZ and help me pass smog I will buy you more beers than you can handle!
Thanks you VERY much in advance!
Alex
11-06-2012, 03:12 PM
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That's because (please correct me) you don't have Floor Fabbed Long Tube Headers on, that's been the issue for me, not teh Kleemann tune which is ridiculously powerful! (Thanks to Cory @ Kleem)
11-06-2012, 03:32 PM
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If your car still won't pass its because the sensors are too far down the stream and not getting hot enough.
Let me quess,your car has a major torque hump from 1800-2700 and now pulls clean to rev limiter right?
Hope you get this fixed bro,youre almost there and you dont have to drive 13 hours to get it fixed just move the 02 bungs closer to the engine.
You will prolly notice now that you ltfts are always changing with how much load you put on the engine and not locked/frozen and the ecu just going to its wot map on load.
Your mpgs should go up aswell.I did a before and after dyno with my old tune and did 460whp and litterally less than a week later with the same gas in the tank put the car back on the same dyno and pulled 503whp with just changing to a kleemann tune!!!
ps I trapped 130mph with the tune Cory put on my car!!!
Its funny reading my emails with him and asking him to lower the power becasue I cant use first or second gear and I told him I was going to drop down to a 168 pulley lol
I did 598rwt at like 2300 with the tune Cory put on my car and I want to see what your making for low end.Get that sucker on the dyno and see where your at
Let me quess,your car has a major torque hump from 1800-2700 and now pulls clean to rev limiter right?
Hope you get this fixed bro,youre almost there and you dont have to drive 13 hours to get it fixed just move the 02 bungs closer to the engine.
You will prolly notice now that you ltfts are always changing with how much load you put on the engine and not locked/frozen and the ecu just going to its wot map on load.
Your mpgs should go up aswell.I did a before and after dyno with my old tune and did 460whp and litterally less than a week later with the same gas in the tank put the car back on the same dyno and pulled 503whp with just changing to a kleemann tune!!!
ps I trapped 130mph with the tune Cory put on my car!!!
Its funny reading my emails with him and asking him to lower the power becasue I cant use first or second gear and I told him I was going to drop down to a 168 pulley lol
I did 598rwt at like 2300 with the tune Cory put on my car and I want to see what your making for low end.Get that sucker on the dyno and see where your at
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11-06-2012, 03:37 PM
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^^^ Makes sense to me which is where the idea of heat wrapping the headers comes in. Could be an easier alternative to moving the bungs but less likely to work. Maybe do both?
11-06-2012, 09:05 PM
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If your car still won't pass its because the sensors are too far down the stream and not getting hot enough.
Let me quess,your car has a major torque hump from 1800-2700 and now pulls clean to rev limiter right?
Hope you get this fixed bro,youre almost there and you dont have to drive 13 hours to get it fixed just move the 02 bungs closer to the engine.
You will prolly notice now that you ltfts are always changing with how much load you put on the engine and not locked/frozen and the ecu just going to its wot map on load.
Your mpgs should go up aswell.I did a before and after dyno with my old tune and did 460whp and litterally less than a week later with the same gas in the tank put the car back on the same dyno and pulled 503whp with just changing to a kleemann tune!!!
ps I trapped 130mph with the tune Cory put on my car!!!
Its funny reading my emails with him and asking him to lower the power becasue I cant use first or second gear and I told him I was going to drop down to a 168 pulley lol
I did 598rwt at like 2300 with the tune Cory put on my car and I want to see what your making for low end.Get that sucker on the dyno and see where your at
Let me quess,your car has a major torque hump from 1800-2700 and now pulls clean to rev limiter right?
Hope you get this fixed bro,youre almost there and you dont have to drive 13 hours to get it fixed just move the 02 bungs closer to the engine.
You will prolly notice now that you ltfts are always changing with how much load you put on the engine and not locked/frozen and the ecu just going to its wot map on load.
Your mpgs should go up aswell.I did a before and after dyno with my old tune and did 460whp and litterally less than a week later with the same gas in the tank put the car back on the same dyno and pulled 503whp with just changing to a kleemann tune!!!
ps I trapped 130mph with the tune Cory put on my car!!!
Its funny reading my emails with him and asking him to lower the power becasue I cant use first or second gear and I told him I was going to drop down to a 168 pulley lol
I did 598rwt at like 2300 with the tune Cory put on my car and I want to see what your making for low end.Get that sucker on the dyno and see where your at
It's way, way stronger than my previous tune and I even told Cory to give me a, "Safe" tune, nothing to aggressive as I have 82K miles on the car. I used to have to put in in Sport mode to get an extra bump in power but now comfort mode is just fine! It's funny when I talked about getting new 550c injectors Cory says he/Kleemann doesn't tune for those as new injectors are a modern phenom with newer tuners being way to aggressive with the A/F ratio. It's very telling that Kleemann a global tuner, very reputable company does not require and will not tune for bigger injectors. The moment he told me that, he had my business basically. I thought however my car would be way down on power after his tune, but it's been quite the opposite actually.
After I get her smogged I'm going to the dyno and will post the results here!
On that note, so far no CEL after driving 2 duty cycles at 60 miles. Attached are pictures of my old/original O2 sensors and based on their look I'm guessing/hoping they were the culprit as many of you have suggested on this thread.
If there indeed were the cause, all of you with Floor Fabbed LTH, change out your front O2 sensors pronto and you'll pass emissions!
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11-07-2012, 10:34 PM
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EXACTLY! What are you like psychic? It's way, way stronger than my previous tune and I even told Cory to give me a, "Safe" tune, nothing to aggressive as I have 82K miles on the car.
I used to have to put in in Sport mode to get an extra bump in power but now comfort mode is just fine! It's funny when I talked about getting new 550c injectors Cory says he/Kleemann doesn't tune for those as new injectors are a modern phenom with newer tuners being way to aggressive with the A/F ratio. It's very telling that Kleemann a global tuner, very reputable company does not require and will not tune for bigger injectors. The moment he told me that, he had my business basically. I thought however my car would be way down on power after his tune, but it's been quite the opposite actually.
After I get her smogged I'm going to the dyno and will post the results here!
On that note, so far no CEL after driving 2 duty cycles at 60 miles. Attached are pictures of my old/original O2 sensors and based on their look I'm guessing/hoping they were the culprit as many of you have suggested on this thread.
If there indeed were the cause, all of you with Floor Fabbed LTH, change out your front O2 sensors pronto and you'll pass emissions!
It's way, way stronger than my previous tune and I even told Cory to give me a, "Safe" tune, nothing to aggressive as I have 82K miles on the car. I used to have to put in in Sport mode to get an extra bump in power but now comfort mode is just fine! It's funny when I talked about getting new 550c injectors Cory says he/Kleemann doesn't tune for those as new injectors are a modern phenom with newer tuners being way to aggressive with the A/F ratio. It's very telling that Kleemann a global tuner, very reputable company does not require and will not tune for bigger injectors. The moment he told me that, he had my business basically. I thought however my car would be way down on power after his tune, but it's been quite the opposite actually.
After I get her smogged I'm going to the dyno and will post the results here!
On that note, so far no CEL after driving 2 duty cycles at 60 miles. Attached are pictures of my old/original O2 sensors and based on their look I'm guessing/hoping they were the culprit as many of you have suggested on this thread.
If there indeed were the cause, all of you with Floor Fabbed LTH, change out your front O2 sensors pronto and you'll pass emissions!
11-07-2012, 11:07 PM
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Heads up man, I got my 07 E63 smogged first time and i went on the one that is just south of I-10 on 59th or 51st ave.
I didn't even get put onto the rollers. He just plugged into OBD II, didn't even rev it, just unplugged it after it was complete, which actually took a lot longer than my Subaru I did the week before.
After he unplugged me, he said I would be done after the manager looked at it, or something. So I paid the $27.XX and he told me to pull out of the garage area and park and wait for the manager.
The manager comes out with a clipboard and just looks at my car for a second and writes something down and just says "Well you passed!"
As long as you get no cel, you should be ok, I don't think they want to risk putting a very expensive car on those rollers.
I didn't even get put onto the rollers. He just plugged into OBD II, didn't even rev it, just unplugged it after it was complete, which actually took a lot longer than my Subaru I did the week before.
After he unplugged me, he said I would be done after the manager looked at it, or something. So I paid the $27.XX and he told me to pull out of the garage area and park and wait for the manager.
The manager comes out with a clipboard and just looks at my car for a second and writes something down and just says "Well you passed!"
As long as you get no cel, you should be ok, I don't think they want to risk putting a very expensive car on those rollers.
11-07-2012, 11:37 PM
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Heads up man, I got my 07 E63 smogged first time and i went on the one that is just south of I-10 on 59th or 51st ave.
I didn't even get put onto the rollers. He just plugged into OBD II, didn't even rev it, just unplugged it after it was complete, which actually took a lot longer than my Subaru I did the week before.
After he unplugged me, he said I would be done after the manager looked at it, or something. So I paid the $27.XX and he told me to pull out of the garage area and park and wait for the manager.
The manager comes out with a clipboard and just looks at my car for a second and writes something down and just says "Well you passed!"
As long as you get no cel, you should be ok, I don't think they want to risk putting a very expensive car on those rollers.
I didn't even get put onto the rollers. He just plugged into OBD II, didn't even rev it, just unplugged it after it was complete, which actually took a lot longer than my Subaru I did the week before.
After he unplugged me, he said I would be done after the manager looked at it, or something. So I paid the $27.XX and he told me to pull out of the garage area and park and wait for the manager.
The manager comes out with a clipboard and just looks at my car for a second and writes something down and just says "Well you passed!"
As long as you get no cel, you should be ok, I don't think they want to risk putting a very expensive car on those rollers.
11-08-2012, 12:01 AM
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I can only speak from experience with Ca smog laws, but if the laws says a vehicle has to be put on the rollers the shop can't decide not to do it and just pass your car. Now on the other hand because of traction control on all Merc's they don't get put on the rollers anyway. The problem is you can have no check engine light but if all of the required monitors haven't ran when they plug the car in it'll fail.
Well that would be "communifornia" for you, that's why I escaped and became a refugee to Arizona. Arizona probably has some of the most lax emissions laws in all the states.
Also, one thing I don't think you understand, unlike California, where private shops can smog it, All Arizona emissions places are actually owned by the state. So if that shop, like in my instance, "passes" my vehicle by just OBDII and visual glance, not even a real in depth inspection,Then it passes by the State.
That is why my AWD Subaru can't be really put on the rollers. State of Arizona only has two wheel drive rollers in the garage bays. So they just do an OBDII check for any CEL's or problems, check your gas tank cap, and rev it to 3,000 rpms and thats it. They didn't even put the sniffer on any of my two cars!
Hell, I just found out that only Maricopa County has to do smog emissions. Every other county in Arizona doesn't!
*Edit: Given that Arizona is too broke to even afford an All Wheel Drive Roller/Dyno for emissions, I don't think they want the hassle of risking a $100k vehicle that looks to be in pretty damn good shape.
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11-08-2012, 11:26 AM
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Every time I've taken my car in for emissions, they never put a sniffer in it that I can remember, but certainly never rev'd it up to 3K rpms on the rollers. They just checked the OBDII port and that was it.
11-08-2012, 12:10 PM
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I'm guessing since he hasn't posted that the light hasn't come back on! Go pass emissions now haha
11-08-2012, 12:49 PM
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Same here in WA, they collect $15 and plug something into the OBDII and start up the car. Then computer print out the failed or passed result and you're on your way. If you fail you get to come back for a second test Free.
11-08-2012, 12:52 PM
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All OBD2 cars (after MY 1997) are tested solely through the OBD2 port except for a few exceptions like California.
