Turbo E55 anyone?
02-21-2013, 06:30 PM
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2014 E63s amg 4matic, 2009 C63, 2006 E55 AMG , 2001.5 AUDI S4 stg 3+ w/meth
Looking at the 55k I just tore down recently, I was amazed at how rinky-dink a lot of the parts are. Specifically the rods and rod bolts. The rods are forged however and I bet they'll take more than you might think with more robust hardware. I'd be very very surprised if after upgrading the rod bolts and increasing the power levels into the 700-800 rwhp range if the rods just snap in half because that's all the power they can take. Especially on a low RPM (<7000 rpm) turbo engine because the stress force is all compression.
I thought the same thing about the first 5.0 Ford I dismantled. (2011+ 5.0, not the mullet 5.0)
It was back before they were released by Ford so no one knew anything about them yet, and Lamotta and I were looking at what a joke we thought the rotating assembly was, and figured they'd be glass just like the 2010 and earlier non-SVT engines. Within a year there were guys in the 9s with power adders on bone stock engines and I ate crow big time on that one.
Back to the turbo system itself-
Lots of guys are laughing because you're right, it does come up from time to time, and on many different forums. The "I've got a buddy who can ____" thing always cracks me up because Ive seen it somany times over the years. This is what usually happens.
1. Your "pro buddy" isn't quite the ____ guru you thought he was. The reason is, that you yourself know basically nothing, so can't really identify that your buddy is nowhere near the cream of the crop in his respective craft.
2. Your "pro buddy" really is the $h1t, but oat guys who are, indeed the $h1t in their particular craft are really f**king busy making money and aren't sharing the same twinkle in the eye that you are. There's a good chance they'd like to see your ____ project get done, as a pro they are exited to see new things in the industry, but they don't want to be the ****** putting in all the R+D just to chase a carrot on a string.
Which leads to the ideal scenario, however unlikely it is to occur. 3 friends, A top shelf machinist, an automotive powertrain engineer, and a world class tuner are all walking down the sidewalk and find a winning ticket to the Saturday night powerball. After paying the taxes, buying their wives and girlfriends condos in another state so they get some work done, they begin to scheme.
Wouldn't it be great if there was a twin turbo kit for the Mercedes E55?
And it was done.
I thought the same thing about the first 5.0 Ford I dismantled. (2011+ 5.0, not the mullet 5.0)
It was back before they were released by Ford so no one knew anything about them yet, and Lamotta and I were looking at what a joke we thought the rotating assembly was, and figured they'd be glass just like the 2010 and earlier non-SVT engines. Within a year there were guys in the 9s with power adders on bone stock engines and I ate crow big time on that one.
Back to the turbo system itself-
Lots of guys are laughing because you're right, it does come up from time to time, and on many different forums. The "I've got a buddy who can ____" thing always cracks me up because Ive seen it somany times over the years. This is what usually happens.
1. Your "pro buddy" isn't quite the ____ guru you thought he was. The reason is, that you yourself know basically nothing, so can't really identify that your buddy is nowhere near the cream of the crop in his respective craft.
2. Your "pro buddy" really is the $h1t, but oat guys who are, indeed the $h1t in their particular craft are really f**king busy making money and aren't sharing the same twinkle in the eye that you are. There's a good chance they'd like to see your ____ project get done, as a pro they are exited to see new things in the industry, but they don't want to be the ****** putting in all the R+D just to chase a carrot on a string.
Which leads to the ideal scenario, however unlikely it is to occur. 3 friends, A top shelf machinist, an automotive powertrain engineer, and a world class tuner are all walking down the sidewalk and find a winning ticket to the Saturday night powerball. After paying the taxes, buying their wives and girlfriends condos in another state so they get some work done, they begin to scheme.
Wouldn't it be great if there was a twin turbo kit for the Mercedes E55?
And it was done.
02-21-2013, 06:48 PM
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I think some of you are confusing the idea of a kit you can buy from a vendor with a one off build by a owner. I agree we aren't going to see 5K turbo kits being sold for our cars. That doesn't mean if you have the skill you can't build one. As for Jerry, he has a great reputation because he'll go the extra mile for his customers. I can't and wouldn't speak for him, but I can say I believe he'd put in the time to make this work for a customer. Also, it appears as if some of you don't have true friends that wouldn't invest their own time into a project for you. Perhaps some of us are luckier with good friendships then others.
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02-21-2013, 08:23 PM
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.......c'mon! Totally in accurate for tuners to say that the reason it hasn't been done is because of lack of demand that it costs too much since a s/c swap now exist etc. The E55 tt charter had been going on for a loooooong time! Loooooooong before Weistec even built the s/c for the 63 series, let alone the m113 s/c that just came out. I am sure the Weistec s/c r&d was not cheap.
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
02-21-2013, 08:28 PM
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.......c'mon! Totally in accurate for tuners to say that the reason it hasn't been done is because of lack of demand that it costs too much since a s/c swap now exist etc. The E55 tt charter had been going on for a loooooong time! Loooooooong before Weistec even built the s/c for the 63 series, let alone the m113 s/c that just came out. I am sure the Weistec s/c r&d was not cheap.
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
02-21-2013, 09:25 PM
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I've tossed the idea around SO many times and have the ability and friend that is a fabricator (the busy kind of fabricator of course). The problem I have is the unknown aspect. The last thing I want to do is get a turbo setup on my car just to find out I'm making the same power without that low end torque I'm so used to. I had a big power turbo car before and that's been a down fall of turbos for awhile. Even Promods with twin turbo's can't 60ft close to a roots or screw blower. I'm not a huge roll racer so a screw blower like the Weistec being able to do everything a turbo kit can do for me with a lot less headache. I do like the idea of a turbo blowing into the supercharger though 
02-21-2013, 09:42 PM
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.......c'mon! Totally in accurate for tuners to say that the reason it hasn't been done is because of lack of demand that it costs too much since a s/c swap now exist etc. The E55 tt charter had been going on for a loooooong time! Loooooooong before Weistec even built the s/c for the 63 series, let alone the m113 s/c that just came out. I am sure the Weistec s/c r&d was not cheap.
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
I can pm his number to you
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02-21-2013, 10:49 PM
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I Didn't say I don't like them but I'm more of a 1/4 racer. My old setup did 60-130 in 6.7 on a Vbox so I would guess the new engine and stuff will be in the 6.2-6.5 range and on a big hit well into the 5's. Just doesn't seem as fun as 1/4 mile or even 1/8 mile. Starting from a roll is a lot easier than sea stop trying to put 600+HP down.
02-21-2013, 10:53 PM
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I Didn't say I don't like them but I'm more of a 1/4 racer. My old setup did 60-130 in 6.7 on a Vbox so I would guess the new engine and stuff will be in the 6.2-6.5 range and on a big hit well into the 5's. Just doesn't seem as fun as 1/4 mile or even 1/8 mile. Starting from a roll is a lot easier than sea stop trying to put 600+HP down.
02-21-2013, 11:52 PM
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.......c'mon! Totally in accurate for tuners to say that the reason it hasn't been done is because of lack of demand that it costs too much since a s/c swap now exist etc. The E55 tt charter had been going on for a loooooong time! Loooooooong before Weistec even built the s/c for the 63 series, let alone the m113 s/c that just came out. I am sure the Weistec s/c r&d was not cheap. J
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
........any reputable Mercedes turner would have made a fortune if a few years ago they built a tt for the e55 that actually runs and has cel and no stories. But once the mercedes tt V'8s came out, it is game over. Yes they are still expensive but customers would rather buy it from amg than listen to endless banter about tt e55 that keeps coming out from tuners and zero result.
......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
And now it gets interesting
02-22-2013, 07:14 AM
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......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
Just in case they miss it...lol
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Just in case they miss it...lol
02-22-2013, 07:41 AM
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Now that looks like a challenge to AMS 
. If anyone can do it I would say it would be them with all the experience they have plus being able to tune in house.
. If anyone can do it I would say it would be them with all the experience they have plus being able to tune in house.
02-22-2013, 07:55 AM
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02-22-2013, 08:36 AM
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......If any tuner truly believes that cost is the issue, here is the challenger. I'll deliver to you and e55 and write you a check for $20K and in 8 weeks you deliver the tt e55 to me, 600whp on dyno dynamics dyno, no drive ability issues, no cel and no stories. If not you pay me back the $20K back, no stories and return the car to stock with no cel, running just fine and no stories. Deal?
Ted
Just in case they miss it...lol
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Just in case they miss it...lol
PUT UP OR SHUT IT DOWN
02-22-2013, 09:30 AM
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Well, even if it does get done for his $20k check... how many of us are willing to replicate his actions and pay $20k for a turbo kit that produces 600whp? 
02-22-2013, 09:45 AM
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02-22-2013, 10:06 AM
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He operates a small shop and really likes to stay away from forum BS and we have a lot of it already . I posted couple pics of his work already, I'll get more in a bit. Couple cars will be at Chicago world of wheels you're more than welcome to check out his work there
