Anyone still doing cooler thermostats?
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Anyone still doing cooler thermostats?
I'm new to the forums, done lots of searching trying to locate a cooler t-stat for my 2004 E55.
I Pm'd PTE last week but no reply.
Anyone have any suggestions?
-David
I Pm'd PTE last week but no reply.
Anyone have any suggestions?
-David
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If you can find one, let us know how long it takes for your check engine light to come on.
The computer is going to expect to see a certain temperature range, after a couple cycles of irregular or under desired temperature operation, you are going to trigger that CEL. Unless you have STAR with developer mode or know someone who does, I'm not sure you will be able to get around the light.
Also, with split cooling and other upgrades to the cooling system to battle heat soak, is there even a purpose to doing this on modern FI cars?
Not trying to shoot your idea down, I'm just curious.
Ha! just saw this is your first post. Welcome!
The computer is going to expect to see a certain temperature range, after a couple cycles of irregular or under desired temperature operation, you are going to trigger that CEL. Unless you have STAR with developer mode or know someone who does, I'm not sure you will be able to get around the light.
Also, with split cooling and other upgrades to the cooling system to battle heat soak, is there even a purpose to doing this on modern FI cars?
Not trying to shoot your idea down, I'm just curious.
Ha! just saw this is your first post. Welcome!
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Talk to me about that. I read a number of threads and my understanding was that unless you go super cold, CEL issues aren't a problem.
Did I get it wrong?
-David
Did I get it wrong?
-David
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I see you are in Texas, I am in West Central Florida we probably have some of the same high temp battles.
I'm not looking for a 160F, but frankly, if I could snag a 170-180F it would suit me just fine.
I'm an "old" guy with tons of modding experience both inside and outside of the "euro-zone". I realize it won't do much if anything for IATs but I'm hoping that it will keep things a little more reigned in on seriously hot days.
-David
I'm not looking for a 160F, but frankly, if I could snag a 170-180F it would suit me just fine.
I'm an "old" guy with tons of modding experience both inside and outside of the "euro-zone". I realize it won't do much if anything for IATs but I'm hoping that it will keep things a little more reigned in on seriously hot days.
-David
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Where abouts in west central florida? I have family in Citrus county and I'm in that area/tampa bay area often.
I don't know for sure, but i'm sure the stock thermostat is somewhere in the 180 range. The engine software i'm sure is written to work most optimally for performance and emissions wise with the stock thermostat. Weather or not the car makes any changes to the overall performance when it sees an issue with lower than desired coolant temp? I'm not sure. hopefully one of our more seasoned vets can chime in here.
The big battle with our cars is heat soak of the superchargers charge air cooling system. If you read around or do some simple searches, you will find a seemingly infinite amount of good information on how to combat this best.
I don't know for sure, but i'm sure the stock thermostat is somewhere in the 180 range. The engine software i'm sure is written to work most optimally for performance and emissions wise with the stock thermostat. Weather or not the car makes any changes to the overall performance when it sees an issue with lower than desired coolant temp? I'm not sure. hopefully one of our more seasoned vets can chime in here.
The big battle with our cars is heat soak of the superchargers charge air cooling system. If you read around or do some simple searches, you will find a seemingly infinite amount of good information on how to combat this best.
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Where abouts in west central florida? I have family in Citrus county and I'm in that area/tampa bay area often.
I don't know for sure, but i'm sure the stock thermostat is somewhere in the 180 range. The engine software i'm sure is written to work most optimally for performance and emissions wise with the stock thermostat. Weather or not the car makes any changes to the overall performance when it sees an issue with lower than desired coolant temp? I'm not sure. hopefully one of our more seasoned vets can chime in here.
The big battle with our cars is heat soak of the superchargers charge air cooling system. If you read around or do some simple searches, you will find a seemingly infinite amount of good information on how to combat this best.
I don't know for sure, but i'm sure the stock thermostat is somewhere in the 180 range. The engine software i'm sure is written to work most optimally for performance and emissions wise with the stock thermostat. Weather or not the car makes any changes to the overall performance when it sees an issue with lower than desired coolant temp? I'm not sure. hopefully one of our more seasoned vets can chime in here.
The big battle with our cars is heat soak of the superchargers charge air cooling system. If you read around or do some simple searches, you will find a seemingly infinite amount of good information on how to combat this best.
The stock t-stat is actually 190F and the car will run right around 200 or so in normal driving. The software is, in fact, designed to run at these temps however, it is quite dynamic in terms of its response to minor adjustments such as I'm pursuing.
I have been lurking for several months and have read extensively on the subject. I am not necessarily trying to combat heat soak or high IATs (though both WILL be impacted by a slightly cooler coolant temp) I am simply trying to bring the cylinder head temps down 20F or so.
I will be pursuing the heat exchanger and I/C pump upgrades to address the charge air temps directly.
-David
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I must admit, I've been building all types of cars for over 25 years, I'm a former shop owner / technician and I love a good contrarian path.
One thing I LOVE about the AMG forum community is that I have been able to find GREAT information upon which to formulate my build path. You guys have tested just about everything and God love you for it.
-David
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As a side note, the -10C mod, done on a stock car with a stock t-stat, will simply have the fans working against the t-stat. I currently use the menu to run the fans at a higher speed to maintain temps around 88C or so but if the t-stat were a little cooler, the fan would not need to run at a higher speed like that. Meanwhile, I've actually clocked the car through measured runs and there IS a performance benefit to keeping the coolant temps between 85C and 90C. If left completely unfettered by the fans, the cars will run about 95C.
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My understanding is that the t-stat is part of the housing. Is it a big deal to swap them out?
-David
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