Qmax03

I recently Got a SC pulley , HE , New 010 Pump & Cut out the Secondaries and Resonator and will be doing the Split Cooling.

I was looking to Tune the Car. But was torn between If I should go with a Flash tune Ex. Eurocharged , OE , Logic Lab etc. OR should I got to TTM which is about a 1 Hour drive from me and have it Custom Tuned. There is a Price difference , logic is $299 , EC is $399 OE is i THINK $599. TTM quoted me $675. Im not concerned about the price I dont mind paying more for a BETTER TUNE. I know the EC tune makes Upward of 45WHP ( From what Jerry Told me), which is Great. Anyone Tuned by TTM ?

Thank

cij911

Bruce (TTM) is an hour from you, price is not issue, then why is this even a question / thread ????

Toadster

Bruce @ TTM is rock solid, although I have EC tune - but then again, I don't live < 1 hour from TTM

do it!

JACK PRESTON

maybe you missed it but hes asking what one is better and if anyone has had experience with TTM.
for almost twice the price is it twice as good? does it net almost twice the HP gains?
im not knocking it at all im just in the same boat and would like to know what tune would be best.

SPatykAMG

I'd say a custom dyno tune is always the best way to go since it will be tweeked yo your individual car

MAN55LE

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Qmax03

Thank You Jack Preston. That's exactly what I was trying to Say.

RedBullJnky

TTM doesn't tune. He was using OE. But OE had become unreliable and he is now using Eurocharged for his tuning. Customer service goes along way.

Don't get me wrong. Bruce knows how to mod, and is very good at what he's doing.

Hammer Down

^^^This and if possible a road tune.....TTM & Eurocharged are both rock solid

Qmax03

Thank You Redbulljunky - I just Spoke with Jerry Over PM, he told me the same thing. Looks like Ill be going with EC then.

I believe EC would also be able to do a road tune, From what Ive been reading i can LOG the car on Pulls send the files to EC and have then tune the car to the specific condition. If Im correct this is a WIN WIN situation , Save some extra $$$ and a Good tune.

Ill Keep this Thread Updates with what Tune I go with, and What I think about it.

PACougar

Definitely get it road tuned if possible, nothing beats having it tuned for what it's meant to do.

Zod

Fact
Ever since he tried to sell me ARH LT setup, it has made me think twice.

The setup has fitment issues and rubbing. He swore it was fine, many said other wise and suffered with it...good job i did not follow through as it would have been a cost and logistics nightmare

Heard from a guy
As for the story, others have heard other wise, something along the lines of TTM not paying up for tuning charges owed to his tuner

Bottom line...and i can say this with confidence, vendors on this board are just not up to scratch and generally just up and go. I can name at least 6 that were made out to be the beez wax, only to turn tail and screw multiple people over with time

Crissus

Ohh thats new to me and sounds nice!
But isnt the key to a proper tune the AF Ratios? How to log them on the road?

novae500

With just the s/c pulley, i would get just a flash tune. When you start adding more mods like headers/crank pulley/injectors/tb, then get a custom dyno tune.

Hammer Down

Please explain how does someone try to sell you something without you inquiring or wanting to buy a product? I can't imagine Bruce calling you up and saying "bro I want you to but these headers" When I bought my MBH headers I asked fellow members their opinions on the build, fitment and customer service before I called MBH.

In my experience with TTM and tuning charges is that when I had Jeremy tune my ECU Bruce had me send the payment directly to Jeremy and the ECU to TTM since Jeremy was in town.

320 dreamer

the difference between e/c and bruce is about 300$ which woulod be bruces dyno time. doesnt matter who tunes your car if your on a dyno you pay for the dyno tune.

so using bruce would get you a e/c tune setup properly and if i know bruce he will look the car over and advise you of any issues he sees

ArmoE55

Dyno tune, no matter the extent of mods, is ALWAYS better. Even with a S/C pulley (which adds a small amount of boost) should still be dyno tuned. As you said, money isn't an issue, then it shouldn't be a problem paying more and getting the car dialed in correctly, efficiently, and accurately.

Remember, every car is different, reacts different to mods/changes etc.

If you have the buck, dyno tune every time.


My .02

Qmax03

^ TTM tune by Bruce is NOT A DYNO TUNE. I spoke to him and he said he would tune it on the street. He also said a DYNO TUNE isnt as good as a street tune, since you RUN on the street Not on the dyno.

Im ordering a EC tune.

320 dreamer

street tune or dyno its the same. your paying for his time. e/c will send you a canned tune and then your going to have to log for any revisions. bruce uses e/c for his tunes. he is doing the datalogging for you and reflashing as needed

you really need to research more about tuning in general because your not grasping what your getting

Qmax03

I understand Im paying for his time, which is Fine with me. I know What a canned tune is and what a Custom tune is. Ive had many cars in the past that ive had dyno tuned/street tunes and have had canned tunes on.

But The reason I went with EC is because TTM uses their tunes. Now after the canned tune is Flashed onto the car TTM will make adjustments to my specific car and conditions. BUT now with EC new software, We can do those Pulls, LOG the car send the file to Jerry and HE CAN DO THE SAME, and make adjustments to my specific car for FREE.

Im pretty sure I get the Grasp of whats going on.

Zod

I inquired and made it very clear i was not looking for a leaky, none fitting, rubbing exhaust system. I was assured it wasn't and was a very safe bet... etc. I had enough of that from my FFB system

As for the ARH system...Well you do not see many of them around now do you...and if you do what happens when you turn the steering wheel ?

From the comments those people made, it seems as if they were left to fend for them selves and they were in the states...am over seas!

320 dreamer

ok so you want a canned tune and expect jerry to continue to modify the flash for free after you datalogg and send him countless logs asking for revisions. good luck with that

what do you plan to logg with? do you have autologic? are you going to run a dashdaq with zt2 wideband? innovate software? exactly how much money will you spend adding datlogging equipment so you can send jerry the data to get your free retune? btw retunes are no longer free that changed last yr at e/c?

just so you know i ran e/c tunes for yrs and also worked with ttm on fuel rails and tuning so i have experience with both

Qmax03

From What Ive read in the EC thread about the new Tunes Yes. With Jerrys new software and cable im able to LOG the car and itll pick up the AFR/ timing etc what ever jerry needs to tune the car. He said REtunes are FREE. Obvioulsy im not ganna bother him every week LOL. But once i flash ill log with HIS software send him the file let him tweak it and be over with it.

Not Sure if im missing something here. But thats what ive understood.

GregMB

Unless you are grandfathered-in (EC Tune purchased before the new year) there IS a small fee for retuning..... Something like $30 IIRC. Still a pretty damn good deal.

-G

moosejaw

indeed!