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Old 06-13-2013, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by urbamworm
That right there seems to be the problem. The Weistec seems to be having issues for everyone. It looks nice and quality but you can't just bolt on, load tune and go, which is what you SHOULD be doing after spending 9 grand. Seems like instead everyone us chasing problems with the intake temps it the throttle body or the air/fuel or this or that.
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I'm as forthcoming as the data I have, and the time i have to post. The facts remain, as I have posted them: stock cooling is not adequate. According to my findings and logging, a trunk tank is adequate and seems similar to stock blower with trunk tank. (this doesn't mean you can do 2 mile WOT blasts and expect IAT's to be safe...I've seen stock-blowers reported at over 200F at WOT, but not where *I* want to be) I wanted to go further with cooling and am experimenting with meth and intend to use even more.
Here is something to look at. stock blower 14.7psi you are able to keep IAT's in check with bigger heat exchanger and maybe trunk tank.. keep in mind this is at probably a 65% efficiency level on the map.

Now the weistec blower setup is supposed to be more efficient than the factory blower At 14.7 psi I.E should be somewhere in the 72-75% efficiency range on the map which in turn should be a lot cooler IAT's than the stock blower at the same boost levels .

which leads me to the efficiency of the intercooler.
Does anybody know the pressure drop on the factory intercooler @14.7 psi ?
what about Weistec's? If the weistec intercooler is more restrictive it could change the the efficiency of the supercharger I.E. lets say @ 14.7 the intercooler as a pressure drop of 2-3psi that means your supercharger is no longer operating at 14.7 it is really operating @17.7 PSI but with the pressure drop it reads 14.7PSI on the gauge because the supercharger has to work that much harder.
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The factory intercooler is going to be signifigantly more restrictive than the Weistec one. The area the Weistec supercharger blows trough is more than 300% larger and less than half the thickness.

Originally Posted by groove66
Here is something to look at. stock blower 14.7psi you are able to keep IAT's in check with bigger heat exchanger and maybe trunk tank.. keep in mind this is at probably a 65% efficiency level on the map.

Now the weistec blower setup is supposed to be more efficient than the factory blower At 14.7 psi I.E should be somewhere in the 72-75% efficiency range on the map which in turn should be a lot cooler IAT's than the stock blower at the same boost levels .

which leads me to the efficiency of the intercooler.
Does anybody know the pressure drop on the factory intercooler @14.7 psi ?
what about Weistec's? If the weistec intercooler is more restrictive it could change the the efficiency of the supercharger I.E. lets say @ 14.7 the intercooler as a pressure drop of 2-3psi that means your supercharger is no longer operating at 14.7 it is really operating @17.7 PSI but with the pressure drop it reads 14.7PSI on the gauge because the supercharger has to work that much harder.
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Originally Posted by urbamworm
That right there seems to be the problem. The Weistec seems to be having issues for everyone. It looks nice and quality but you can't just bolt on, load tune and go, which is what you SHOULD be doing after spending 9 grand. Seems like instead everyone us chasing problems with the intake temps it the throttle body or the air/fuel or this or that.
Soooo true. If I paid that money on a "production" kit then I would not be wanting to trouble shoot. I get things can arise as all cars are a little diff, just like some are fine with 82mm TB while some just keep having issues.

RBJ to me called it right, doing all this testing and sending things back to be checks just doesn't sound good. I do agree you need the testing results to get the tune right but this really seems outside the general "let me see how I'm performing with my new setup and see what kind of improvements I can make."

Side note: RBJ hurry up and get that TT setup done!!!
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Originally Posted by Sir-Boost-a-Lot
The factory intercooler is going to be signifigantly more restrictive than the Weistec one. The area the Weistec supercharger blows trough is more than 300% larger and less than half the thickness.

I agree, what's the pressure drop @xxx CFM and XX psi on the wiestec intercooler? cause the weistec is obviously flowing a lot more air.


I was more comparing it to .
If the factory stuff with a stock intercooler is sufficient up to a certain point. The weistec with a custom core should be plenty capable as the factory SC. Heck ,I dont know.

but i would like to see some hard data as I would like to purchase bigger charger.

why are the cars with the same boost levels as a stock SC having a problem with IAT's especially if it is an more efficient boost source?
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Pretty difficult to ascertain the pressure drop since the whipple blows directly onto the core with Weistec's setup. For your question.. I don't have a definitive answer.

Originally Posted by groove66
I agree, what's the pressure drop @xxx CFM and XX psi on the wiestec intercooler? cause the weistec is obviously flowing a lot more air.


I was more comparing it to .
If the factory stuff with a stock intercooler is sufficient up to a certain point. The weistec with a custom core should be plenty capable as the factory SC. Heck ,I dont know.

but i would like to see some hard data as I would like to purchase bigger charger.

why are the cars with the same boost levels as a stock SC having a problem with IAT's especially if it is an more efficient boost source?
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As the 63 series cars (156) use the same IC setup and they are not having heat issues like it seems the 55 is ?
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As the 63 series cars (156) use the same IC setup and they are not having heat issues like it seems the 55 is ?
More displacement+much better heads and cams=a lot less boost/heat.
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Originally Posted by black06c230
Soooo true. If I paid that money on a "production" kit then I would not be wanting to trouble shoot. I get things can arise as all cars are a little diff, just like some are fine with 82mm TB while some just keep having issues.

RBJ to me called it right, doing all this testing and sending things back to be checks just doesn't sound good. I do agree you need the testing results to get the tune right but this really seems outside the general "let me see how I'm performing with my new setup and see what kind of improvements I can make."

Side note: RBJ hurry up and get that TT setup done!!!
It's coming brotha. Thanks!
Old 06-14-2013, 07:37 PM
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Congrats on the kit and thanks for doing all this research. Looking forward to your results.
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Here's a log from last SAT....note the AFR's and the IAT's dropping in 4th!
Yes selling. Went GT-R and wife is a bit restless!

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Here's a log from last SAT....note the AFR's and the IAT's dropping in 4th!
Yes selling. Went GT-R and wife is a bit restless!

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Thanks for posting that up.
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Can you post a data log in auto, letting the car shift on its own? Dyno?
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0-60: no problem
Cougar: that gets even more expensive than cars.
RedBull: What would those things accomplish?
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Originally Posted by MindBend
RedBull: What would those things accomplish?
My friend is trying to compare it with another car. And we race, so he wants to see WOT til redline. And to me it looks like your a little rich in a few spots.

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Gotcha...I can log some more (however you'd like) but the local dyno shop told me that they are booked 'til end of July.
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Originally Posted by MindBend
Gotcha...I can log some more (however you'd like) but the local dyno shop told me that they are booked 'til end of July.
Dont worry about the dyno. We know where the power would be. PMing.
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Pretty good log there and those IATS are damn nice. Would love to see it rev and shift on its own so we can see the iats, af and timing in the upper rpm range.

Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks...I've been careful and methodical to get it where I want it to be. When taking 'er to redline the temps and timing remains about the same. You can also see how the AFR's dip as it gets into the upper revs, which I think contributes to the cooling effect.

I am amazed and how linear the power-band is up top too--it pulls as hard at 150 as it does at 50. This is where the Weistec really shows itself -- in the mid/top-end: it just turns it on, and keeps pulling like a freight train. For me, it places the power right where I want it...third gear is EVIL. Thankfully, that P030 LSD really does it's job and hooks it up too. (I think even more-so than the Quaife in my previous car).

The fact that it's super-smooth, and a heavy car, it's deceptive feeling until you look at the speedo.
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Originally Posted by MindBend
Gotcha...I can log some more (however you'd like) but the local dyno shop told me that they are booked 'til end of July.
Should have put it on the dyno when you were down here and Weistec was trying to get my car to start


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