Caliper upgrades ? Are there ?
07-05-2013, 10:18 PM
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Caliper upgrades ? Are there ?
I was wondering like how Evosport offers 390mm rotors, are there upgrades for our calipers too ?
12 pistons ? or the one that comes as a 13k dollar option with ceramic rotors is the caliper same and just the rotors ceramic ?
Brembo GT kit is the same one we already have on our cars right ? other than the rotors ?
What aftermarket ceramic rotor options do we have ?
Pads I know Porterfields and Stoptech and Akebono
My pads have like more than 75% life but rotors aren't smooth anymore, I can feel the bump when I run the finger across. So I'd just be looking at changing Rotors alone but was wondering if Caliper upgrade is available ?
Off topic question - Cylinder heads and shorty headers , are one and the same thing ?
12 pistons ? or the one that comes as a 13k dollar option with ceramic rotors is the caliper same and just the rotors ceramic ?
Brembo GT kit is the same one we already have on our cars right ? other than the rotors ?
What aftermarket ceramic rotor options do we have ?
Pads I know Porterfields and Stoptech and Akebono
My pads have like more than 75% life but rotors aren't smooth anymore, I can feel the bump when I run the finger across. So I'd just be looking at changing Rotors alone but was wondering if Caliper upgrade is available ?
Off topic question - Cylinder heads and shorty headers , are one and the same thing ?
07-05-2013, 11:16 PM
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I suppose you could swap the brakes from a Veyron or the Shinkansen bullet train in Japan (pro tip: those brakes are made by Akebono.). But for reals, swapping calipers on these cars is like doing an engine swap. It wont be cheap, it won't be easy, and it will make many go "why?" (E-V12 excluded).
Edit: Cylinder head and shorty headers: not the same thing. The heads are where the cams and valves are and is where the air goes in and exhaust comes out. Headers bolt up to the heads where the exhaust comes out. They are tubes, unless we are talking about the stock headers, in which case it's like a metal kazoo.
Edit: Cylinder head and shorty headers: not the same thing. The heads are where the cams and valves are and is where the air goes in and exhaust comes out. Headers bolt up to the heads where the exhaust comes out. They are tubes, unless we are talking about the stock headers, in which case it's like a metal kazoo.
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07-06-2013, 12:23 AM
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Generally; 55sK Rotors with 8-pot with 4 pieces of pads in each calipers are heavy, compared to the newer "2007 C/E/CLS/SL63s"
which they has 6-pot with 2 pieces of pads each calipers & lighter Rotors, with definitely saves some weight,
which i believe its worth it.....
ZAYED,,
which they has 6-pot with 2 pieces of pads each calipers & lighter Rotors, with definitely saves some weight,
which i believe its worth it.....
ZAYED,,
07-06-2013, 05:58 AM
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I suppose you could swap the brakes from a Veyron or the Shinkansen bullet train in Japan (pro tip: those brakes are made by Akebono.). But for reals, swapping calipers on these cars is like doing an engine swap. It wont be cheap, it won't be easy, and it will make many go "why?" (E-V12 excluded).
Edit: Cylinder head and shorty headers: not the same thing. The heads are where the cams and valves are and is where the air goes in and exhaust comes out. Headers bolt up to the heads where the exhaust comes out. They are tubes, unless we are talking about the stock headers, in which case it's like a metal kazoo.
Edit: Cylinder head and shorty headers: not the same thing. The heads are where the cams and valves are and is where the air goes in and exhaust comes out. Headers bolt up to the heads where the exhaust comes out. They are tubes, unless we are talking about the stock headers, in which case it's like a metal kazoo.
07-06-2013, 06:55 AM
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I would get the big rotors but for them to work on my car I'd need new 19 inch wheels
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07-06-2013, 07:02 AM
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The steel brake lines don't expand when you press the brake pedal. This transfers ore of the pressure that you're exerting on the pedal to the caliper piston itself instead of letting the hose bulge outward. The factory hose doesn't expand much,so don't expect a huge difference.this was much more of a problem on older cars,newer stuff like this already comes with phenomenal brakes.
07-06-2013, 07:47 AM
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The stock AMG/Brembo 8 piston calipers and rotors are over kill, as far as an up grade there are a few, very few. The most popular is-was the EvoSport light weight floating rotors, and there are 4 or five brake pad choices. There is a big brake kit by Brembo but at $3500.00 it is hard to justify.
The newer brakes are lighter but that is a result of cost cutting the MY 07 on cars cost $5k less to build. A big chunk of that was the SBC being removed, and a move to cheaper calipers. I know the SBC gets a lot of bad press but I really like it, the more you understand about it the greater your appreciation will be. End of the day I am sure a guy could throw $6 to $10 K at the brakes and get some improvement, I think the largest possibility for improvement would be a lighter ceramic rotor.
Take a look at the graph in this Road & Track test, pay attention to the stopping section.
For a big heavy car the distance is shorter than many lighter cars of the day 2003.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...he-0-100-0-mph
SBC info,
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...%209-30-02.pdf
The newer brakes are lighter but that is a result of cost cutting the MY 07 on cars cost $5k less to build. A big chunk of that was the SBC being removed, and a move to cheaper calipers. I know the SBC gets a lot of bad press but I really like it, the more you understand about it the greater your appreciation will be. End of the day I am sure a guy could throw $6 to $10 K at the brakes and get some improvement, I think the largest possibility for improvement would be a lighter ceramic rotor.
Take a look at the graph in this Road & Track test, pay attention to the stopping section.
For a big heavy car the distance is shorter than many lighter cars of the day 2003.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...he-0-100-0-mph
SBC info,
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...%209-30-02.pdf
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07-06-2013, 07:59 AM
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I run brabus/Alcon 12 piston fronts and 6 piston rear with 380mm front and 360mm rear with two piece disks . The braking power is night and day difference to standard .
I found with the originals after one lap at a track day the originals would be glowing red hot and fading .
I found with the originals after one lap at a track day the originals would be glowing red hot and fading .
07-06-2013, 08:05 AM
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07-06-2013, 08:59 AM
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Definitely a worthwhile upgrade for your track use, but for this young man and his 100% street driven, nearly stock car the calipers are total overkill already. The 2 piece 390mm rotors I put on my car from Evosport made a nice improvement on a car that already stopped great,but he said he's not interested in that because then he has to change wheels. Just put some nice pads and new stock size rotors on it and you're done thinking about it.
I run brabus/Alcon 12 piston fronts and 6 piston rear with 380mm front and 360mm rear with two piece disks . The braking power is night and day difference to standard .
I found with the originals after one lap at a track day the originals would be glowing red hot and fading .
I found with the originals after one lap at a track day the originals would be glowing red hot and fading .
07-06-2013, 09:39 AM
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No one ever talks about fluid--change it now, change it often. The fluid is an integral part of your braking success and is hygroscopic--absorbs water.
MB recommended service intervals even recommend it at 20K/2 YRS, I think.
MB recommended service intervals even recommend it at 20K/2 YRS, I think.
07-06-2013, 09:50 AM
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I suppose you could swap the brakes from a Veyron or the Shinkansen bullet train in Japan (pro tip: those brakes are made by Akebono.). But for reals, swapping calipers on these cars is like doing an engine swap. It wont be cheap, it won't be easy, and it will make many go "why?" (E-V12 excluded).
Edit: Cylinder head and shorty headers: not the same thing. The heads are where the cams and valves are and is where the air goes in and exhaust comes out. Headers bolt up to the heads where the exhaust comes out. They are tubes, unless we are talking about the stock headers, in which case it's like a metal kazoo.
Edit: Cylinder head and shorty headers: not the same thing. The heads are where the cams and valves are and is where the air goes in and exhaust comes out. Headers bolt up to the heads where the exhaust comes out. They are tubes, unless we are talking about the stock headers, in which case it's like a metal kazoo.
I literally burst out laughing at the train. LOL!
No need to swap the calipers, just go evosport/akebono and don't look back.
07-06-2013, 06:46 PM
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I run brabus/Alcon 12 piston fronts and 6 piston rear with 380mm front and 360mm rear with two piece disks . The braking power is night and day difference to standard .
I found with the originals after one lap at a track day the originals would be glowing red hot and fading .
I found with the originals after one lap at a track day the originals would be glowing red hot and fading .
07-06-2013, 06:52 PM
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I have 15 mm spacers all around. If I put biggers spacers could I fit evosport or HAS HAVE TO BE 19's ? ??
Other than evosport there ain't any other company which sells better than OEM rotors ?
oh and I do have aftermarket wheels on but they are still 18's lol
Other than evosport there ain't any other company which sells better than OEM rotors ?
oh and I do have aftermarket wheels on but they are still 18's lol
07-06-2013, 08:10 PM
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I have wheel spacers on right now but I understand what you are saying and based on that 19 inch is a must.
No aftermarket option that is better than OEM but in 18 size ? well E63 ones would fit E55 but there ain't any weight savings on those I think
No aftermarket option that is better than OEM but in 18 size ? well E63 ones would fit E55 but there ain't any weight savings on those I think
07-06-2013, 09:06 PM
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The stock AMG/Brembo 8 piston calipers and rotors are over kill, as far as an up grade there are a few, very few. The most popular is-was the EvoSport light weight floating rotors, and there are 4 or five brake pad choices. There is a big brake kit by Brembo but at $3500.00 it is hard to justify.
The newer brakes are lighter but that is a result of cost cutting the MY 07 on cars cost $5k less to build. A big chunk of that was the SBC being removed, and a move to cheaper calipers. I know the SBC gets a lot of bad press but I really like it, the more you understand about it the greater your appreciation will be. End of the day I am sure a guy could throw $6 to $10 K at the brakes and get some improvement, I think the largest possibility for improvement would be a lighter ceramic rotor.
Take a look at the graph in this Road & Track test, pay attention to the stopping section.
For a big heavy car the distance is shorter than many lighter cars of the day 2003.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...he-0-100-0-mph
SBC info,
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...%209-30-02.pdf
The newer brakes are lighter but that is a result of cost cutting the MY 07 on cars cost $5k less to build. A big chunk of that was the SBC being removed, and a move to cheaper calipers. I know the SBC gets a lot of bad press but I really like it, the more you understand about it the greater your appreciation will be. End of the day I am sure a guy could throw $6 to $10 K at the brakes and get some improvement, I think the largest possibility for improvement would be a lighter ceramic rotor.
Take a look at the graph in this Road & Track test, pay attention to the stopping section.
For a big heavy car the distance is shorter than many lighter cars of the day 2003.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...he-0-100-0-mph
SBC info,
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...%209-30-02.pdf
07-07-2013, 11:08 AM
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There's a few different rotors you an get as an upgrade in the stock size including the 2piece Evosport ones. I don't know if Evosport is still in business but just do a better rotor in the stock size and your 18s will fit just fine. The stock rotor are already huge!
