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09-12-2013, 11:23 AM
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I don't know anything about tuning, but what's with the flatline AFR in the first graph?
So this thread title should really be "Look what I gained from a dyno tune vs. box tune"?
So this thread title should really be "Look what I gained from a dyno tune vs. box tune"?
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09-12-2013, 11:27 AM
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I've read several threads recently where the bigger pulley/headers guys have huge gains from a dyno tune vs getting just a remote box tune for their mods. He even stated he wanted something safe and Jerry did the tune remotely.
That says a lot to me and I'm one of the most noob people when it comes to this platform and especially tuning. Every car make has substantial gains going from an off-the-shelf box tune to a custom dyno tune with their power adder mods. That, coupled with the fact that Jerry likely tuned it safe rather than the razor's edge to pull every bit of it, I can definitely see those gains the OP had on the dyno.
Am I off base here?
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09-12-2013, 11:30 AM
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09-12-2013, 12:01 PM
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The title of this thread is misleading.
09-12-2013, 01:44 PM
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OP-
You said you wanted something safe and Jerry was doing it remotely not on a dyno. Those two factors alone, to me at least, would probably be the difference between what EC's tune put out with your car and what BIP did on an actual dyno, likely pushing limits.
I've seen graphs where people with box tune vs dyno tune are seeing differences of 35-40rw, especially when modded like OP is.
Having said all that, I don't see what your surprise is, OP.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong or if I'm missing something here.
You said you wanted something safe and Jerry was doing it remotely not on a dyno. Those two factors alone, to me at least, would probably be the difference between what EC's tune put out with your car and what BIP did on an actual dyno, likely pushing limits.
I've seen graphs where people with box tune vs dyno tune are seeing differences of 35-40rw, especially when modded like OP is.
Having said all that, I don't see what your surprise is, OP.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong or if I'm missing something here.
09-12-2013, 01:56 PM
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Both were dyno tunes.... only one was done remotely (car on dyno...runs...tuning remotely while on dyno...).
09-12-2013, 02:30 PM
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Everything aside, peak numbers don't really matter.... Look at that flat AFR and smooth power! These guys know what they're doing and I just paid for a tune, cable and split tank system!
11-11-2013, 07:21 AM
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11-11-2013, 08:30 AM
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That makes no sense. You are now saying the 363 was from Eurocharged when that was not from Eurocharged, that was your baseline in which you even said so;
You sound all sorts of confused. 
And it is pretty clear by looking at the air/fuel that the Eurocharged tune was running in the low 11s and then even in the 10s in the upper rpms which is very safe/conservative and by what you said is exactly what you wanted (to be safe) vs the other tune that was running leaner in the 12s through most of the rpm band which will make more power but be less "safe." Not saying running 12:1 isn't safe but "less safe" of a tune than one that is running rich and is more of a tune trying to pull all of the power out of the car in which it did.
I almost feel like this post has malicious intent behind it like oh look at this crappy power from X tuner but Y tuner hooked me up. Even though you wanted X tuner to leave power on the table by going safe and anyone that is half knowledgeable can look at the graphs and see clear as day one tune runs leaner than the other and leaner to a certain extent will make more power. But for the average person that doesn't understand what is going on they see X tuner "only made" this and Y tuner made that and make an uninformed opinion on power output.
(Baseline was stock...then we added Floored Fab Headers, Eurocharged HE, and Jerry tuned it remotely on the dyno). Baseline was 363 HP and then peak of 421 HP
And it is pretty clear by looking at the air/fuel that the Eurocharged tune was running in the low 11s and then even in the 10s in the upper rpms which is very safe/conservative and by what you said is exactly what you wanted (to be safe) vs the other tune that was running leaner in the 12s through most of the rpm band which will make more power but be less "safe." Not saying running 12:1 isn't safe but "less safe" of a tune than one that is running rich and is more of a tune trying to pull all of the power out of the car in which it did.
I almost feel like this post has malicious intent behind it like oh look at this crappy power from X tuner but Y tuner hooked me up. Even though you wanted X tuner to leave power on the table by going safe and anyone that is half knowledgeable can look at the graphs and see clear as day one tune runs leaner than the other and leaner to a certain extent will make more power. But for the average person that doesn't understand what is going on they see X tuner "only made" this and Y tuner made that and make an uninformed opinion on power output.
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11-11-2013, 09:24 AM
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From what I'm getting, baseline was 363, EC tune was 421 and BIP tune was 470.
Still don't understand why the EC AFR was so jumpy.
Still don't understand why the EC AFR was so jumpy.
11-12-2013, 07:36 AM
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Thank you. That's all I was saying. Was it that difficult to comprehend?
Nowhere in this thread did I imply anything malicious towards anyone (in fact, I believe I was rather complimentary to all parties)... So I'm unsure as to why some are trying to turn it into something it's not.
Timeline:
- Baseline dyno of 363 (only mod Kleemann 168)
- Installation of FF headers, cutouts, EuroCharged HE, EC 175 pulley
- Pulley wobbled so much we couldn't use it... returned pulley... reinstalled the Kleemann 168...EC happily refunded $$ (solid service) for pulley (after we tried another one too)
- EuroCharged remote dyno tune
- Dyno of 421
- I then drove the car for about 2 years...
- Was in at BIP for some regular maintenance and asked BIP to see if there was anything left in it at relatively safe levels...
- New tune and then a Dyno of 470
11-12-2013, 04:19 PM
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I really would like to see ECs tunes Torque curve :-)
There is this old phrase in the US i learned here over the pond... "With Horsepower you sell the damn cars, but with Torque you win the races"
There is this old phrase in the US i learned here over the pond... "With Horsepower you sell the damn cars, but with Torque you win the races"
