Dom_J

Doing some test fitting on the car and Im just a bit worried of the fender meeting the lip.

Will the vehicle allow a good alignment to get me that additional bit of camber or do I need to buy additional hardware? Wasn't really trying to do much on the negative side, miscalculated the body work and should have pulled a bit more, and I didn't buy 295s to be apart of "camber gang" America. Nevertheless.

Got decent input from a few of the forum guys offline thus far via the social media, much appreciated! appreciate any additional help to be offered on this one!

Hsg08

Nice wheels man. There's a member right here running 305 on a w211 with fender work. I believe his name is PHDZINE. His car is pretty sick. U should hit him up.

Dom_J

Thank you & will definitely stalk his posts for the next hour haha appreciate your input.

I'm tempted to just 3m tape the crap out of them and do some road tests.

TTE55

There was someone that ran 315's on the rear. But that was on a 10.5" rim. I also ran an 11" wide tire on the rear of my w211 for a short period and it stuck out a little bit. Yours are sticking out a lot. If you hit a bump your fender is going to be crushed.

Enigma94

Are you on stock air suspension or a static coilover set up?? If you're on the stock air suspension you're definitely going to destroy that fender. You'd have to add a TON of camber and even then it looks as though the actual lip of the rim will still hit. The only way those wheels will work would be to drive with the car raised up or have a extremely stiff coilover set up with the addition of camber.

From what I've read the stock rear end doesn't allow for much adjustment so you'd probably be looking and getting something aftermarket for the adjustments.

SheriffDep

It sounded like your testing setups but then again it sounds like you already own those rims. Members are running 20's on the rear and several are 10" with 285-295 I believe from what I saw. They all tend to tuck under the well slightly on the top. The 18's from the factory leave a little too much gap between tire and well, but I truly think 19's fill in that gap and don't have issues such as what you are running into. ANY tire sticking out will not look good. Yes we are in the sporting category, not the luxury. But, our cars are still luxury cars and should fit the bill even though upgraded. Any camber on the rear is and looks horrible. Large Civic anyone?????

Just my .02, if you have to modify then it probably isn't a good idea. Resale will be totally destroyed if you do any of that. Aftermarket rims themselves no matter the cost ruin resale.

Enigma94

He's already put the time and money(which looks to be a lot of it) in having the fenders pulled and repainted so keeping it "stock for resale" is out the window...

I commend the OP for trying to push the limit of what will work as far as widths and offsets but I think going to a 12" wheel is just too much without a wide body kit. If you aren't already having issues with the inside fender well you may be able to shave some offset off the wheel and sink them in a little bit more to help out as well.

I'd love to see a full pic of the car, looks like it's going to be insane just from that little teaser pic!

Dom_J

1st thing Enigma94 great eye, you noticed the part about the body work 2nd if that fender looked like a stock one to the rest of you fellas(which it should), we did some pretty good body work gents haha I appreciate all the feedback.

Apologies, that initial picture was kind of at a bad angle. I should have posted a few more to show how close I am to really am to achieving the look I'm going for.

First, here's a body work comparison shot to Jon's E55(he's amazing btw) on those wheels the Phizine fellow used. He did a roll and shave. My goal was to emulate a pull as equal to the front fenders as possible while leaving plenty of room to play with some wheel/tire set-ups. Only problem here was the original tire was too narrow. Back to the drawing board it was.




Here are my 3-piece 19x10.5s which are actually more aggressive than my 20x12s. They fit snug, no rubbing.




Once again, apologies on the photos, we are on the last stages of the overall repaint. Will be happy to post complete pics upon completion.

Lastly, here's a better angle of what I am dealing with, this is no added weight, how I have the vehicle set on it lowest setting on the airmatic suspension. Fitted wider tires and dropped her back down.





With the vehicle turned off and weight added to the rear beam, the lips BARELY squeak under the fenders(laws of more negative camber at it dips come into play). It's just to close for comfort so I was wondering if the alignment could get it squared away.

Obviously i'm a huge fan of the show scene so we push things a bit but trust and believe, these lighter forged wheels wrapped on 295s will hook just fine on any "spirited driving" occasion haha. A ton lighter than my Vossens and 285s. Obviously neither are ideal for track like situations but if all goes well and I can her supercharged, more room for stickies on track days

Good night!

Enigma94

That's some serious pull you've got going on there!! Is this all metal work? No bondo/fiberglass?? From the back angle it definitely doesn't look as bad. If the lip barely fits under the wheel well then I'd look to add some camber for sure. I'm assuming there is no way to shave 2-3mm off the hubs of the wheels to account for the lips? If you have the room on the inside this is what id do so you don't eat tires. Even with the stock set up and being lowered people only tend to get 6-8k miles out of the rear tires and are stuck with -2.5 camber or thereabouts. So if you add 1 or 2 degrees (which honestly I'm not sure would even net you enough to be safe) on top of a stretched 295 you're probably looking at 3k miles max...

At full load how much room between lip and the fender?? 1-2mm or not even That? I'd want at least 3-4mm because under load you could see some horizontal movement from the rim and tire(like if you were cornering) due to the rubber suspension bushing give.

Unfortunately I haven't had a change to really crawl under the back op my E so I can't help you too much there other than to check out the Kmac bushings for the LCA's. Although pushing out the bottom of the wheel would net you more camber I'm not sure if that would be the best way to go about it. You'd really want to suck that top part in a bit, but if you had the room to do that then you should have the the room to shave the hubs on the wheels a bit. Probably not your preferred route as AG's are crazy expensive but it would probably be the best route to take in the end.

Stoked to see the finished product man. That paint color looks like it's going to pop in the sun!!

HeissRod

The factory suspension has no camber adjustment in the rear and only minor amount of toe. You'll have to go aftermarket if you want to adjust camber.

Dom_J

Yea I'm not a big fan of tons of body filler nor fiberglass much. Being an ex Mercedes Benz body tech, I knew the fenders could take a beating(these cars are extremely stout) so we just went at them after giving them a quick pull. That's a pic of the initial stages of metal work.

At this point I'm definitely turned off to really trying to add more negative camber. It's not a big issue to drop them off at a machine shop if necessary. There is still a decent about of clearance on the inside actually. I'll take a peak at the arms but I do know they are more aimed at correcting camber. As with all projects, back to the drawing board. I appreciate the input fellas. Will definitely keep anyone interested posted on outcome.

berti_00

boss A$$ wheels man damm

Enigma94

I think you're making the right choice to shave a bit off the wheels. In the long run it will be the best way to get them to fit without costing a ton in tires.

That metal work looks insane!!! I'd love to pull my rears and do something like you are as far as matching the front with the back(the way it should of been from the factory) but that looks like a lot of work and must of taken a bit of ***** to hammer that all out!! Definitely keep us updated with how it all goes, really excited to see the car complete!

Dom_J

Thanks Berti & Enigma!! Been working on this thing since March, I hate not having her back haha

It definitely was a mixture of a BMF hammer, liquor, and good music


Mission being a more "refined" back series look. Hopefully I can get her all buttoned up by Friday.

Dom_J

Few pix of the end results fellas. Extemely happy, there are a few issues to work out on the camber side(side with more camber is laying a better strip??) but she definitely still does what she's supposed to do from headed through the drive through at McDonalds with the wife & kid to when called upon by the "unsuspecting"

das eighty

SPOT.F******.ON.

Not a fan of 20" or flat lip wheels, but this looks incredible. Fender is subtle, yet makes such a huge difference! Nice job on the color combo too!

Toadster

how much do those suckers weigh?

definitely beefy looking

HeissRod

Congrats on getting them to fit and making it look right.

I'm not a fan of the stretched tires, but I see that you had to do it to make these fit.

mightar

That fender work is top notch! Too ballar for me, but awesome attention to detail!

Dom_J

Thank you!! I actually think the same, jumped out on a limb on the straight lip >.< Definitely would be cool to try a step lip set-up later. Those LMs are my all time favorites.
Was actually surprised at the weight lol the 285 pirelli weighed in at 25.75lbs so I'm guessing the 295 is in that same range. The actual 20x12 was only a few lbs heavier at 31.25. Sad part is if I throw them on the scale vs the vossens & the factories, I believe they're lighter. Alot easier to move around:



Gotta love forged.

Thank you!! Was a headache and a half but it worked out pretty good. I was definitely like, if these tires are going to be stretched at little, at least gotta be able to perform to make it worth while. Defintiely love the PZeros.

Appreciate the input fellas! Stalking your rides and posts keep the fuel going! lol

a100steaksauce

superb

splendid

Dom_J

^^ @ A1! Thank you!

haha thank you! Was too baller for me too, I practically lived at that damn body shop putting in all kinds of work just to get them done

Enigma94

Wow looks absolutely amazing!!! All the time and effort definitely looks to have payed off. The rear fender work looks stock which is an amazing feat! ****, I wish they came with stock flares like that lol. Let's see some pics in the sun so we can see that pearl!!

Sir-Boost-a-Lot

iTrader: (1)

Wow, while I agree with some of the above in that I normally don't find that look appealing, yours looks sexy. I can definitely appreciate the hard work that you put into the project and it paid off for sure.

Btw unless you put one in, your car lacking a LSD in the rear could be why you're not seeing even burnout patterns.

Max.H

Very nicely done… Although I am not a fan of that look. There is no denying the quality of the workmanship.