Frankenstein. (motor build)
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It quenches the spark a bit. Did the iat log change with the meth at all? Small change I would guess.
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00 cl500 turbo 03 e500turbo w203_63 w203 m271sc/turbo
is the m113 and the
M113k piston the same size ? I heard that the crank in the only difference mening the stroke is larger in the m113k
M113k piston the same size ? I heard that the crank in the only difference mening the stroke is larger in the m113k
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10.5:1 compression. Piston to valve is intact, piston to deck is stock N/A M113. More power across the board, part throttle, full throttle, 2k rpm, 6k rpm, everywhere. I melted the cylinder wall running crazy timing and shifting into 5th on a top speed run but it was all due to the timing... turned the timing down and the next motor has been running great.
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First Frankenstein motor:
M113k rods, M113k rod bearings, M113k valve springs/retainers
M113 block, M113 crank, M113 pistons/rings, M113 heads/valves/cams
Hybrid oil pump (SL500/E55), E55 oil pan, modified E55 windage tray, ARP rod bolts/head studs
On the second motor I just changed out the M113 heads for ported M113k heads and E55 cams.. everything else is the same. I have Kleemann cams sitting on the shelf I may toy with but I want to change more of the fuel system before I bother.
M113k rods, M113k rod bearings, M113k valve springs/retainers
M113 block, M113 crank, M113 pistons/rings, M113 heads/valves/cams
Hybrid oil pump (SL500/E55), E55 oil pan, modified E55 windage tray, ARP rod bolts/head studs
On the second motor I just changed out the M113 heads for ported M113k heads and E55 cams.. everything else is the same. I have Kleemann cams sitting on the shelf I may toy with but I want to change more of the fuel system before I bother.
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00 cl500 turbo 03 e500turbo w203_63 w203 m271sc/turbo
First Frankenstein motor:
M113k rods, M113k rod bearings, M113k valve springs/retainers
M113 block, M113 crank, M113 pistons/rings, M113 heads/valves/cams
Hybrid oil pump (SL500/E55), E55 oil pan, modified E55 windage tray, ARP rod bolts/head studs
On the second motor I just changed out the M113 heads for ported M113k heads and E55 cams.. everything else is the same. I have Kleemann cams sitting on the shelf I may toy with but I want to change more of the fuel system before I bother.
M113k rods, M113k rod bearings, M113k valve springs/retainers
M113 block, M113 crank, M113 pistons/rings, M113 heads/valves/cams
Hybrid oil pump (SL500/E55), E55 oil pan, modified E55 windage tray, ARP rod bolts/head studs
On the second motor I just changed out the M113 heads for ported M113k heads and E55 cams.. everything else is the same. I have Kleemann cams sitting on the shelf I may toy with but I want to change more of the fuel system before I bother.
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Agreed on all points! Imagine the people purchasing these cars brand new... what if they gave their nanny the keys to go pick up the kids and she accidentally loaded it with 87 octane? These motors are not cheap to repair/replace at dealer prices, best thing to do is prevent it if at all possible. When I had everything apart I really should've measured the bowls, piston tops, piston pin location, etc to get a definitive answer on the compression.. buuut I'm fine with a ballpark figure
My hands and the significant other would prefer a longer process but that's just not how I work, haha. It's already taken too long, IMO. I've got the engine back in, trans/converter hooked up, starter, pass. header, plugs/wires, trans cooler lines, alternator, and most of the datalog wiring done. Tonight I'm shooting for driver header, all the under engine wiring, plugs/wires, rebuilt ps pump (should've taken pics when it was apart, I've got an extra if you guys want to see), and belts. I'd really like to get it running this weekend and get datalogs back to Tony at BIP.
My hands and the significant other would prefer a longer process but that's just not how I work, haha. It's already taken too long, IMO. I've got the engine back in, trans/converter hooked up, starter, pass. header, plugs/wires, trans cooler lines, alternator, and most of the datalog wiring done. Tonight I'm shooting for driver header, all the under engine wiring, plugs/wires, rebuilt ps pump (should've taken pics when it was apart, I've got an extra if you guys want to see), and belts. I'd really like to get it running this weekend and get datalogs back to Tony at BIP.
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Oil pump.
The ML55 oil pump has one set of internal gears, a solid sprocket, an M113 oil to engine outlet, and a front sump pickup. The body and pickup is too tall for the E55 oil pan. The E55 oil pump has three sets of internal gears, an identical solid sprocket, an M113k oil to engine outlet, and twin front/rear sump pickups.
Attachment 376114
Attachment 376115
Since the E55 oil pump has a different outlet, I couldn't just add the E55 pump to the M113 block.
Attachment 376116
The solution, after a TON of research, was a modded oil pump originally for a SL500. This oil pump has the M113 oil to engine outlet and a similar sump system to the original E55, but with a larger sprocket.
Attachment 376117
Attachment 376118
Attachment 376119
If you notice, the rear sump tube system has attachment brackets to the main fasteners... but on the ML55 these were standard fasteners. I pulled the fasteners in those locations out of the E55 and they're shown below. Had new OEM fasteners overnighted from Ahmad (I'm tellin you, this guy is good), and installed them on the M113 block. You can see the finished product with the bracket fasteners installed further down the post.
Attachment 376120
I disassembled both pumps and originally wanted to use just the front casting out of the SL500, with the rest of the pump coming from the E55 pump. Unfortunately, these gear set bodies were just BARELY incompatible. Ended up with a full SL500 oil pump with the E55 solid sprocket up front.
Attachment 376121
Attachment 376122
Upper and lower oil pans went on. I didn't take pictures of the windage tray, but some modification of the windage tray was required to fit the slightly different rear sump tube system.
Attachment 376123
The ML55 oil pump has one set of internal gears, a solid sprocket, an M113 oil to engine outlet, and a front sump pickup. The body and pickup is too tall for the E55 oil pan. The E55 oil pump has three sets of internal gears, an identical solid sprocket, an M113k oil to engine outlet, and twin front/rear sump pickups.
Attachment 376114
Attachment 376115
Since the E55 oil pump has a different outlet, I couldn't just add the E55 pump to the M113 block.
Attachment 376116
The solution, after a TON of research, was a modded oil pump originally for a SL500. This oil pump has the M113 oil to engine outlet and a similar sump system to the original E55, but with a larger sprocket.
Attachment 376117
Attachment 376118
Attachment 376119
If you notice, the rear sump tube system has attachment brackets to the main fasteners... but on the ML55 these were standard fasteners. I pulled the fasteners in those locations out of the E55 and they're shown below. Had new OEM fasteners overnighted from Ahmad (I'm tellin you, this guy is good), and installed them on the M113 block. You can see the finished product with the bracket fasteners installed further down the post.
Attachment 376120
I disassembled both pumps and originally wanted to use just the front casting out of the SL500, with the rest of the pump coming from the E55 pump. Unfortunately, these gear set bodies were just BARELY incompatible. Ended up with a full SL500 oil pump with the E55 solid sprocket up front.
Attachment 376121
Attachment 376122
Upper and lower oil pans went on. I didn't take pictures of the windage tray, but some modification of the windage tray was required to fit the slightly different rear sump tube system.
Attachment 376123
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I’m interested again in this thread, I just put a big turbo on my cl55 n/a swap . I heard one of the weak points of the n/a m113 engines were not just the rods but also the rings
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what you did with yours? Its still way smaller and dosent reach the bottom of pan
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So where are you going with this? What's your concern here? I built the car and it ran for years before I sold it... no loss in oil pressure.
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I've turned off email notifications. If you guys want to talk about M113k tech, and the moves that I made when I had one, you're welcome to join my Facebook group. Search for AMG Enthusiasts Page, it's the one with 9k+ members
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I can’t find your page on Facebook 😞
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I don’t speak short hand (BTC?) sorry my imagination goes crazy with abbreviations I found it anyhow thank you 😊
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I've read this thread with great interest after destroying my M113k block.
I have a donor M113 from an ML55 and from what I can gather the only part I need to obtain would be an R230 SL500oil pump which would need some modification.
Could anyone tell me if that is correct please?
I have a donor M113 from an ML55 and from what I can gather the only part I need to obtain would be an R230 SL500oil pump which would need some modification.
Could anyone tell me if that is correct please?
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I've read this thread with great interest after destroying my M113k block.
I have a donor M113 from an ML55 and from what I can gather the only part I need to obtain would be an R230 SL500oil pump which would need some modification.
Could anyone tell me if that is correct please?
I have a donor M113 from an ML55 and from what I can gather the only part I need to obtain would be an R230 SL500oil pump which would need some modification.
Could anyone tell me if that is correct please?
