how to install amg supercharger on m113 5.0 engine?
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how to install amg supercharger on m113 5.0 engine?
I'm selling an E55 supercharger and I got a call from a guy who wants to buy it for his CL500. He asked me what he needed to install it. I told him I was pretty sure it could be installed but not sure what it takes. He asked me if I could sell him the ECU with it but I told him that he could possibly use his existing ECU.
What do you guys think? I don't want to lie to him just to make a sale but if it's going to be useful to him then yes I would like to sell it ASAP.
What do you guys think? I don't want to lie to him just to make a sale but if it's going to be useful to him then yes I would like to sell it ASAP.
he can use his ecu, working with the maf, he will need maf clamp and a custom single air intake to install the maf, he will need all front pullies of the 55K and injectors, upgraded fuel pump, front heat exchanger, custom tune with lower timing.....
the best choice is to go with 55k harness and ecu(using map sensor).
the best choice is to go with 55k harness and ecu(using map sensor).
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I believe the pulley brackets, water pump and pump outlet are also needed. And of course a better fuel pump. Robert do you know how the supercharger clutch could be controlled when using the N/A ecu?
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I was gonna tell him to run an FSP. That would be one less headache for him and if the ECU in the CL500 doesn't have the same issues like the AMG one of looking for a clutch that's not there, it's 2 birds with 1 ecu.
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That is definitely an option. Is the tuning sorted out for that? I remember reading at one point that there were still problems getting it to run smoothly.
Otherwise for a stock pulley all I could think of would be a throttle opening switch to activate the clutch above light throttle....
Are there any issues with the bypass valve or is that all pressure controlled within the supercharger itself?
Just for reference eurocharged have said that they can tune the N/A ECU with MAF sensor for a supercharger no problems.
Otherwise for a stock pulley all I could think of would be a throttle opening switch to activate the clutch above light throttle....
Are there any issues with the bypass valve or is that all pressure controlled within the supercharger itself?
Just for reference eurocharged have said that they can tune the N/A ECU with MAF sensor for a supercharger no problems.
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That is definitely an option. Is the tuning sorted out for that? I remember reading at one point that there were still problems getting it to run smoothly.
Otherwise for a stock pulley all I could think of would be a throttle opening switch to activate the clutch above light throttle....
Are there any issues with the bypass valve or is that all pressure controlled within the supercharger itself?
Just for reference eurocharged have said that they can tune the N/A ECU with MAF sensor for a supercharger no problems.
Otherwise for a stock pulley all I could think of would be a throttle opening switch to activate the clutch above light throttle....
Are there any issues with the bypass valve or is that all pressure controlled within the supercharger itself?
Just for reference eurocharged have said that they can tune the N/A ECU with MAF sensor for a supercharger no problems.
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I think you should just tell him that doesn't work. A guy that want's to add a K to his engine but doesn't know what is required to do it ... that can't be serious, right ?
That will save you the pain of the guy coming back afterward to tell you it doesn'^t work.
That will save you the pain of the guy coming back afterward to tell you it doesn'^t work.
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I do want to sell it though and if he wants to put a supercharger on his 5.0 then why not. I think I have the injectors and some other bits too because I bought the car wrecked and stripped it.
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the best solution as i said is to use the harness and ecu of 55k, he will not get any problem that the guys are talking about, he will be as factory.
if he wants to stay with the 5.0 ecu, he will need an rpm activated switch or similar part to connect it to the clutch, the clutched will be activated above 1000 rpm and deactivated below 1000 rpm cause there will be no bypass with the 5.0 ecu and he need to close the opening in the ic and tb inlet,
the fsp is not a solution, cause he still need a bypass for the car to idle below 1000 rpm.
if he wants to stay with the 5.0 ecu, he will need an rpm activated switch or similar part to connect it to the clutch, the clutched will be activated above 1000 rpm and deactivated below 1000 rpm cause there will be no bypass with the 5.0 ecu and he need to close the opening in the ic and tb inlet,
the fsp is not a solution, cause he still need a bypass for the car to idle below 1000 rpm.
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Poor guy with CL, has no idea what he is doing. In the end he will spend far more money trying to cobble together a blower motor than, it would cost him to sell his CL 500 and buy a CL 55 or a CL 600.
Sad part is, at some point a real 55K owner will need a supercharger......
Sad part is, at some point a real 55K owner will need a supercharger......
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I didn't realize the bypass valve was ecu controlled in this car. Makes a conversion a lot more difficult. Or can you just shut it off? it might not be silky smooth but I thought a lot of supercharged cars worked like this, also without supercharger clutches.
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Poor guy with CL, has no idea what he is doing. In the end he will spend far more money trying to cobble together a blower motor than, it would cost him to sell his CL 500 and buy a CL 55 or a CL 600.
Sad part is, at some point a real 55K owner will need a supercharger......
Sad part is, at some point a real 55K owner will need a supercharger......
I've told the CL500 owner about the challenges. I guess some people just assume things are plug and play. I personally don't think a conversion is a good idea most of the time UNLESS the difference between the original and the converted is massive and it's much much much cheaper to convert than to buy original. Right now, the CL55 isn't that expensive here and although more expensive than a CL500 you still have to think about time and labor, headaches and also resale. Resale on a converted car is......let's just say not good
If he wants to buy it regardless of the advice then it's not my problem. I'd love to get Ahmad's (blackbenz) take on this. He has experience with SCing the NA motor.
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sorry to dig up and an old thread and forgive my ignorance, but why couldn't this work in theory?
kleeman makes a SC for the n/a m113 engine, but it's $9000+.
is there no way to disable the clutch in the kompressor units so that it runs constantly, ... but maybe with a large pulley, to create low/safe boost , isn't that sort of what the kleeman unit does?
I guess i just don't know how to find out more info about the differences between the kleeman/K units. it's a shame because the K units go for $600 all the time on ebay.
kleeman makes a SC for the n/a m113 engine, but it's $9000+.
is there no way to disable the clutch in the kompressor units so that it runs constantly, ... but maybe with a large pulley, to create low/safe boost , isn't that sort of what the kleeman unit does?
I guess i just don't know how to find out more info about the differences between the kleeman/K units. it's a shame because the K units go for $600 all the time on ebay.
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sorry to dig up and an old thread and forgive my ignorance, but why couldn't this work in theory?
kleeman makes a SC for the n/a m113 engine, but it's $9000+.
is there no way to disable the clutch in the kompressor units so that it runs constantly, ... but maybe with a large pulley, to create low/safe boost , isn't that sort of what the kleeman unit does?
I guess i just don't know how to find out more info about the differences between the kleeman/K units. it's a shame because the K units go for $600 all the time on ebay.
kleeman makes a SC for the n/a m113 engine, but it's $9000+.
is there no way to disable the clutch in the kompressor units so that it runs constantly, ... but maybe with a large pulley, to create low/safe boost , isn't that sort of what the kleeman unit does?
I guess i just don't know how to find out more info about the differences between the kleeman/K units. it's a shame because the K units go for $600 all the time on ebay.
there are fixed pulleys for the stock 55k blower, they make it run constantly
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sorry to dig up and an old thread and forgive my ignorance, but why couldn't this work in theory?
kleeman makes a SC for the n/a m113 engine, but it's $9000+.
is there no way to disable the clutch in the kompressor units so that it runs constantly, ... but maybe with a large pulley, to create low/safe boost , isn't that sort of what the kleeman unit does?
I guess i just don't know how to find out more info about the differences between the kleeman/K units. it's a shame because the K units go for $600 all the time on ebay.
kleeman makes a SC for the n/a m113 engine, but it's $9000+.
is there no way to disable the clutch in the kompressor units so that it runs constantly, ... but maybe with a large pulley, to create low/safe boost , isn't that sort of what the kleeman unit does?
I guess i just don't know how to find out more info about the differences between the kleeman/K units. it's a shame because the K units go for $600 all the time on ebay.
